Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Comment (by Mark Walker):

 I'm reviewing the language used in the docs around GeoDjango, so I'll go
 through the tutorial as well and see if I can address any of these issues.
 Though what I've done with GeoDjango has been fairly primitive, plotting
 routes for races & distances between users & events.

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Changes (by Mariusz Felisiak):

 * owner:  Sylvain Fankhauser => (none)
 * status:  assigned => new


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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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 Reporter:  digi_c@… |Owner:  sephii
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Comment (by collinanderson):

 I mentioned this on https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/26442#comment:2
 but we should link to the mailing list in our documentation.

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Comment (by claudep):

 You are of course welcome to work on this, and your summary looks
 promising. Feel free to assign the ticket to you as soon as you start
 working on this.

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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 Reporter:  digi_c@… |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
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Comment (by sephii):

 I would be happy to work on this.

 Here are the things I think could be improved:

 * Create an easier tutorial that doesn't require extensive comprehension
 of world borders, ogrinfo etc that are quite specific. We could go on
 creating an application that defines models with simple coordinates or
 shapes and calculates distances between objects. We could make a tutorial
 that looks like the Django tutorial (1. creating models, 2. the geo admin,
 3. using geo data in views/templates/forms).
 * Simplify GIS installation of GIS libraries (see #24942)
 * Make a better explanation of what GDAL and GEOS are (if the docs are
 aimed to lambda users, we can assume that the following could be explained
 better: "GEOS stands for Geometry Engine - Open Source, and is a C++
 library, ported from the Java Topology Suite. GEOS implements the OpenGIS
 Simple Features for SQL spatial predicate functions and spatial operators.
 GEOS, now an OSGeo project, was initially developed and maintained by
 Refractions Research of Victoria, Canada.")
 * Reorganize/simplify the TOC (GeoDjango installation is placed after the
 GeoDjango tutorial, although you first need to go through the installation
 process to proceed with the tutorial). Also this long list of topics is
 far from being as clear as Django's docs TOC
 * This one might be more of a detail but I would use native types (eg.
 Point) instead of the GEOSGeometry constructor, and try to be consistent
 along the tutorial

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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 Reporter:  digi_c@… |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
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Comment (by int-ua):

 Yes, sorry about the rudeness, my bad. I just spent a day trying to dig
 through this mess. And I'm currently sure that the bad documentation is
 one of the reasons for less usage.

 P.S. I just found that
 https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/admin/ doesn't
 contain all options listed in contib/gis/admin/options.py. For example
 adding display_wkt would be really helpful.

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Comment (by timgraham):

 Patches are welcome. GeoDjango isn't as widely used as the rest of the
 Django, so we receive less contributions for it. Using hyperbole and rude
 comments won't do anything to address the issue. Thank you.

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Comment (by int-ua):

 IMHO the whole GeoDjango docs should be rewritten from scratch. After
 excluding everyone who written this one from the process. It's the worst
 documentation I've seen in years, literally.

 It's outdated: https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/22456
 It tries to instruct on usage before installation.
 https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/
 In the installation tutorial in gives you a command to execute and right
 afterwards adds that it's not needed at all.
 
https://github.com/django/django/commit/92b5341b19e9b35083ee671afc2afb2f252c662d#commitcomment-1936761
 It doesn't contain any info on integrating GeoDjango into an existing
 project.
 It doesn't even contain clear info about its' benefits over using two
 FloatFields when all I want is just a simple map of objects: the most
 widespread use case AFAIU.

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Re: [Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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Changes (by aaugustin):

 * needs_docs:   => 0
 * needs_better_patch:   => 0
 * type:  Uncategorized => New feature
 * needs_tests:   => 0
 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted


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[Django] #22274: better tutorial for geodjango

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#22274: better tutorial for geodjango
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 Hi, I like geodjango and have some basic knowledge of GIS and django. But
 I feel, that the tutorial as a way to complex for beginners. It's not
 completely bad, but I have a few suggestions:

 * use primitive data like points (less complex to understand)
 * make basic full application (add/edit/show of simple geodata, not only
 via admin interface)
 * show best practise (dataformats instead of WKT, JSON streaming, webmap
 tiling or clustering)

 Maybe anybody has an idea about a rewrite :)

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