Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  James Aylett |Owner:  James
 |  Aylett
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  File |  Version:  master
  uploads/storage|
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
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Comment (by Tim Graham ):

 In [changeset:"2d7fb779870583f8c6ee003f81bf67c4d7c21227" 2d7fb779]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="2d7fb779870583f8c6ee003f81bf67c4d7c21227"
 Refs #23832 -- Removed deprecated non-timezone aware Storage API.
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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett   |Owner:  jaylett
 Type:  New feature   |   Status:  closed
Component:  File uploads/storage  |  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal|   Resolution:  fixed
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Changes (by Tim Graham ):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


Comment:

 In [changeset:"1ff6e37de46f0cbf271a287a0ca67678e741a90a" 1ff6e37]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="1ff6e37de46f0cbf271a287a0ca67678e741a90a"
 Fixed #23832 -- Added timezone aware Storage API.

 New Storage.get_{accessed,created,modified}_time() methods convert the
 naive time from now-deprecated {accessed,created_modified}_time()
 methods into aware objects in UTC if USE_TZ=True.
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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 * needs_better_patch:  1 => 0


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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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 * status:  new => assigned
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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett   |Owner:
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Comment:

 Left comments for improvement on the pull request.

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett   |Owner:
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Comment:

 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/6108 PR]

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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Comment (by jaylett):

 Concrete proposal for solving this: https://groups.google.com/d/msg
 /django-developers/e6qY_qtjUDE/sFENDCYtAgAJ

 I'm still intending to do this, when I can find some time.

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett   |Owner:
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Changes (by timgraham):

 * version:  1.7 => master
 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted


Comment:

 Some form of the idea seems to be accepted.

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
Component:  File |  Version:  1.7
  uploads/storage|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
 Keywords:   |  Unreviewed
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Comment (by jaylett):

 I've updated the patch a little, although not to use
 `datetime.utcfromtimestamp` as yet. Bit stumped by the code in
 `tests.staticfiles_tests.storage` which doesn't look like it's capable of
 testing what the comment says it's for, but is the remaining place that
 would need updating. (The tests still pass if I update the custom Storage
 backend in there, making me think that there's a test lying around that
 isn't really testing what it should be — the existing code should throw an
 exception.)

 Not going to take this further until there's consensus on the approach we
 want to take.

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
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  uploads/storage|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
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Comment (by jaylett):

 Oh, noting that if we take the `aware=True` route for say 1.8, for BC
 reasons I think the right approach would be for `collectstatic` to
 continue not to pass `aware` at 1.8, and move to `aware=True` at 1.9.
 (This will then hopefully flush out during 1.9 testing any third parties
 who haven't implemented the new API, ahead of killing off the old
 behaviour for users at 2.0.) [And renumber 1.8..2.0 as appropriate if this
 ships later.]

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
Component:  File |  Version:  1.7
  uploads/storage|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
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Changes (by jaylett):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1


Comment:

 I share Aymeric's concern about comparison — it was also Denis' in
 https://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/22567 — and that's something that
 `collectstatic` has to do, so unless we ditch BC with third-party Storage
 implementers we'd have to convert naive to aware datetimes (assuming
 localtime) when we compare. `collectstatic` is the only time in core
 (well, `contrib.staticfiles`) that we use any of these methods, but again
 there may be third parties relying on the silent behaviour of naive
 timestamps and doing their own comparison or difference.

 +1 on `datetime.utcfromtimestamp`, and I can update the patch for that if
 we still want to tackle things in this way. If not, it's a much easier
 patch, although the documentation becomes more important to communicate
 the urgency of anyone using or implementing this API to update (and users
 with third-party extensions to upgrade).

 (Also noticed that there are more tests that should really be updated to
 implement the new API, so I've marked the patch as needing improvement
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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
Component:  File |  Version:  1.7
  uploads/storage|   Resolution:
 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
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Comment (by aaugustin):

 If you plan to cast to UTC, I believe you should use
 `datetime.utcfromtimestamp`.

 The concern is -- if people compare the output with a naive datetime, and
 we change that output to an aware datetime, the comparison will raise
 `TypeError`.

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
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Comment (by freakboy3742):

 I've just taken a look at this; I think the answer might be a lot simpler
 that I originally thought.

 `getatime`, `getmtime` and `getctime` all return seconds past epoch -
 which *has* a timezone; we're just not using that information. So we're in
 a position to construct a non-naïve timestamp - we're just not doing so.
 If we make the call to `datetime.fromtimestamp` and immediately cast to
 UTC, the timestamp will be correct and non-naïve.

 So - at the very least, the timezone guessing in `_possibly_make_required`
 isn't required.

 However, what's the concern about backwards compatibility here? Is there
 any reason that changing those methods to return non-naive timezones will
 cause a problem?

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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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#23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach
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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
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 Severity:  Normal   | Triage Stage:
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Re: [Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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 Reporter:  jaylett  |Owner:
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Changes (by jaylett):

 * status:  assigned => new
 * owner:  jaylett =>


Comment:

 Removing myself as assignee; I'll attempt to pick up comments & changes
 from review, but can't guarantee after today that I can do so in a timely
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Comment (by jaylett):

 PR https://github.com/django/django/pull/3530. Going looking for someone
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[Django] #23832: Storage API should provide a timezone aware approach

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 Type:  New feature   | Status:  new
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 Per #23827, the Storage API is effectively (and once the patch there is
 merged, explicitly) timezone naive. We should provide a way of using
 Storage objects that returns suitable aware objects instead.

 A suggestion by Russell Keith-Magee is to introduce an optional parameter
 to these calls, with a tri-state value to select between naive and aware
 returns, with a default of `None` initially meaning "naive", but a
 deprecation path for this through to `None` meaning "aware".

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 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
Component:  File |  Version:  1.7
  uploads/storage|   Resolution:
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Comment:

 (I'm looking at this at the django-sprint post-DUTH.)

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