Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam Johnson |Owner:  David
 Type:   |  Smith
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  closed
Component:  Core (Other) |  Version:  dev
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:  Ready for
 |  checkin
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Comment (by Mariusz Felisiak ):

 In [changeset:"d25710a625fbb6dbb047c159417f796102fd721a" d25710a6]:
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 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="d25710a625fbb6dbb047c159417f796102fd721a"
 Refs #31670 -- Removed whitelist argument and domain_whitelist attribute
 in EmailValidator per deprecation timeline.
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam Johnson |Owner:  David
 Type:   |  Smith
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  closed
Component:  Core (Other) |  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
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Comment (by Carlton Gibson ):

 In [changeset:"0102b986489702870faa0eccd44abd4432418756" 0102b98]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="0102b986489702870faa0eccd44abd4432418756"
 Used allowlist_externals in tox.ini (again)

 allowlist_externals is already used in this file.

 Refs #31670
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  David
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Comment (by Mariusz Felisiak ):

 In [changeset:"51d6e6e77442cc837279863cfc893d024c08ca8d" 51d6e6e7]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
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 Refs #31670 -- Used allowlist_externals in tox.ini.
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  David
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Comment (by Alexander Ovchinnikov):

 I am [as part of the Django user community] don’t give a damn about the
 black skin community members, gays, women, cats and puppies etc. I'm sorry
 for that.

 Their troubles are their troubles, not my. Django project is not about
 saving world or humanity or black people.

 You may follow #BlackLivesMatter or #AllLivesMatter or anything like that
 in your free time for you personal projects, why not.

 I'm not a racist etc. I just do not want to spend even 1 minute of my time
 for solving that troubles. It's none of my business.

 You renamed something in Django. For all of us. It mean, every Django user
 now will spend their time during upgrade. Tank you for that.

 I hope that I did not offend anyone with my opinion.

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  David
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 Type:   |   Status:  closed
  Cleanup/optimization   |
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Changes (by felixxm):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => fixed


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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  David
  Johnson|  Smith
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
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Comment (by Mariusz Felisiak ):

 In [changeset:"27c09043da52ca1f02605bf28600bfd5ace95ae4" 27c0904]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="27c09043da52ca1f02605bf28600bfd5ace95ae4"
 Refs #31670 -- Renamed whitelist argument and attribute of EmailValidator.
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  David
  Johnson|  Smith
 Type:   |   Status:  assigned
  Cleanup/optimization   |
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 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
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Changes (by felixxm):

 * owner:  nobody => David Smith
 * status:  new => assigned
 * has_patch:  0 => 1
 * stage:  Accepted => Ready for checkin


Comment:

 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/13079 EmailValidator PR]

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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  Johnson|
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Comment (by Mariusz Felisiak ):

 In [changeset:"9b95c3bc090ed01b8e46aca14964e23d5b6469f7" 9b95c3bc]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="9b95c3bc090ed01b8e46aca14964e23d5b6469f7"
 [3.1.x] Refs #31670 -- Removed whitelist/blacklist terminology in docs and
 comments.

 Backport of 10df5b71775d8ee98201acb1367266521b17cc00 from master
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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 In [changeset:"10df5b71775d8ee98201acb1367266521b17cc00" 10df5b71]:
 {{{
 #!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="10df5b71775d8ee98201acb1367266521b17cc00"
 Refs #31670 -- Removed whitelist/blacklist terminology in docs and
 comments.
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
  Johnson|
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
  Johnson|
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:  Core (Other) |  Version:  master
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 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:
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Changes (by Adam (Chainz) Johnson):

 * status:  closed => new
 * resolution:  wontfix =>


Comment:

 The mailing list discussion seems in favour of doing this, and the PR has
 been reopened.

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
  Johnson|
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Comment (by Adam (Chainz) Johnson):

 Mailing list discussion: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-
 developers/tctDuKUGosc/FIiPPYv_AQAJ

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
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  Cleanup/optimization   |
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Comment (by Flavio Curella):

 I think all the etymological and linguist discussion detracts from the
 actual issue that we are trying to solve.

 I would argue that it does not matter where words come from, or how we,
 the privileged people, interpret them. The only questions we need to
 answer are:

 * Do these words makes Black people less welcome?
 * Would replacing them be an improvement for them?

 Then we can evaluate how hard it would be to change, and compare it to how
 much we value their experience.

 Instead of focusing on logic and prior knowledge, let's focus on future
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
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Comment (by Luke Plant):

 I have put my thoughts together in a longer form here -
 https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts/stop-trying-to-blacklist-blacklist/

 If the rest of the community disagrees with me, I'm not going to stand in
 the way, but I think it is important that we are not discrediting
 ourselves and the stand we have made (which I agree with entirely) by a
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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list". (was: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in documentation)

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list".
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
  Johnson|
 Type:   |   Status:  closed
  Cleanup/optimization   |
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 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:   | Triage Stage:
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Changes (by felixxm):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => wontfix
 * component:  Documentation => Core (Other)


Comment:

 There are also technical terms used in many (or at least few) RFCs so
 changing them can be misleading. We should reach a consensus on
 DevelopersMailingList before we will move it forward. Please start a
 discussion.

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in documentation

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Comment (by Claude Paroz):

 I'm totally with Luke on this matter (https://lukeplant.me.uk/blog/posts
 /stop-trying-to-blacklist-blacklist/).
 Let's not start flame wars, and do not rush this please.

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in documentation

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in
documentation
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
  Johnson|
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Comment (by David Smith):

 Here are a few examples.

 Microsoft made pull requests against Google's Chromium (allowlist /
 blocklist) https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=981129
 Rails - (allowlist / denylist) https://github.com/rails/rails/issues/33677
 Tox - Issue closed due to backwards compatibility issue - Django currently
 relies on this setting. https://github.com/tox-dev/tox/issues/1491

 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/13031 PR]

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Re: [Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in documentation

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in
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 Reporter:  Adam (Chainz)|Owner:  nobody
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 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
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 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
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Comment (by Luke Plant):

 Can you give an example of it being used in racist context that means that
 the word "blacklist" itself carries a racist meaning? I can use the word
 "Hello" in a racist context, it doesn't make it racist.

 Please let's not do this. It distracts from real issues, and discredits
 the BLM movement, because it is based on ignorance and misunderstanding.

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[Django] #31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in documentation

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#31670: Change "whitelist" to "allow list" and "blacklist" to "deny list" in
documentation
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   Reporter:  Adam (Chainz) Johnson  |  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  Cleanup/optimization   | Status:  new
  Component:  Documentation  |Version:  master
   Severity:  Normal |   Keywords:
   Triage Stage:  Unreviewed |  Has patch:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |Needs tests:  0
Patch needs improvement:  0  |  Easy pickings:  0
  UI/UX:  0  |
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 Started by David Smith in https://github.com/django/django/pull/12755 but
 closed due to lack of discussion at the time. He used the term "blocklist"
 but I think "deny list" fits better in most circumstances.

 Due to #BlackLivesMatter, this is currently being discussed on Twitter by
 several people including Simon Willison:
 https://twitter.com/simonw/status/1269292897997709317 . Carlton and I
 discussed on the original PR that the term's origin in English wasn't
 racist. But it has been used in racist contexts, and continues to be.
 Given that we put up our banner of support for BLM I think we should also
 make this docs change.

 The 'whitelist' parameter and attribute of EmailValidator will need to go
 through the normal deprecation process.

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