Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  closed
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Ready for
  DATE_FORMAT|  checkin
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Sarah Boyce <42296566+sarahboyce@…>):

 In [changeset:"3d55f2966d6821fd1fd29d90d1d07c195ae8c2cc" 3d55f296]:
 {{{#!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="3d55f2966d6821fd1fd29d90d1d07c195ae8c2cc"
 [5.1.x] Fixed #35306 -- Documented fallback localization formats in
 templates when localization is disabled.

 Backport of 3ac0e43207b4a1b9327ba12612005c285fbff7ee from main.
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  closed
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Ready for
  DATE_FORMAT|  checkin
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Changes (by Sarah Boyce <42296566+sarahboyce@…>):

 * resolution:   => fixed
 * status:  assigned => closed

Comment:

 In [changeset:"3ac0e43207b4a1b9327ba12612005c285fbff7ee" 3ac0e432]:
 {{{#!CommitTicketReference repository=""
 revision="3ac0e43207b4a1b9327ba12612005c285fbff7ee"
 Fixed #35306 -- Documented fallback localization formats in templates when
 localization is disabled.
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Ready for
  DATE_FORMAT|  checkin
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Changes (by Sarah Boyce):

 * stage:  Accepted => Ready for checkin

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Changes (by Lufafa Joshua):

 * needs_better_patch:  1 => 0

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  1
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Changes (by Sarah Boyce):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1

Comment:

 Adding the link from #35470 is required
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Changes (by Lufafa Joshua):

 * needs_better_patch:  1 => 0

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Changes (by Sarah Boyce):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Changes (by Claude Paroz):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
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 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Comment (by Rich):

 That works for me - thanks Lufafa!
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Comment (by Lufafa Joshua):

 Hey Richard, does this work for you
 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/18028 PR].
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Comment (by Rich):

 The proposed change to the LANGUAGE_CODE setting, in context, reads:

 A string representing the language code for this installation. This should
 be in
 standard `language ID format`. For example, U.S. English
 is "en-us"'', the default format to use when localization is disabled
 with `localize` and `unlocalize` template filter or tag see
 `controlling localization in templates`''. See also
 the `list of language identifiers` and `/topics/i18n/index`.

 That doesn't read well to me, and also doesn't really cover the situation.
 I think the first sentence needs to change to make it clear this is a
 fallback, e.g.:

 A string representing the fallback language code for this
 installation.

 The line "USE_I18N must be active for this setting to have any effect." is
 not true and should be removed I think.

 Finally, a third entry could be added to the list of 'purposes',  e.g.

 If localization is explicitly disabled via the `localize` and
 `unlocalize` template filters or tags. See `controlling localization in
 templates`.

 The proposed change to formatting.txt seems confusing and unnecessary to
 me.
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Natalia Bidart):

 Richard, could you please take a look at the
 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/18028 proposed PR] to confirm if
 that helps in terms of documentation improvements?
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Changes (by Lufafa Joshua):

 * has_patch:  0 => 1

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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Comment (by Natalia Bidart):

 Replying to [comment:14 Claude Paroz]:
 > Ah yes, I missed that! It looks to me as a bug in itself, and maybe
 merits its own ticket. I transformed my commit as a
 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/18021 WIP PR].

 I agree is a ticket on its own, I created and accepted #35333 providing
 two tests, one for `date` and one for `time`, using `subTest`. Would you
 fancy incorporating that in your PR?
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Claude Paroz):

 Ah yes, I missed that! It looks to me as a bug in itself, and maybe merits
 its own ticket. I transformed my commit as a
 [https://github.com/django/django/pull/18021 WIP PR].
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Natalia Bidart):

 Replying to [comment:11 Claude Paroz]:
 > Replying to [comment:6 Natalia Bidart]:
 > > (Another data point: even using `{% localize off %}` does not honor
 the settings values. This feels unexpected to me...)
 >
 > Are you sure? This [https://github.com/claudep/django/commit/57f9982
 passing test] seems to show the contrary. Could you double-check?

 I am sure, but with a caveat :-)
 I have double checked and in my manual tests, I was explicitly passing the
 `|date` template filter. So, basically, if we add this case to your test
 (I renamed your original `date` to `my_date` for clarity):

 {{{#!python
 date_plus_tag_template = Template(
 "{% load l10n %}Localized: {{ my_date|date }}. {% localize off
 %}Unlocalized: "
 "{{ my_date|date }}{% endlocalize %}."
 )
 }}}

 There is this test failure:

 {{{
 AssertionError: 'Localized: 15. Dezember 2024. Unlocalized: 15. Dezember
 2024.' != 'Localized: 15. Dezember 2024. Unlocalized: 15-12-2024.'
 }}}

 Using `my_date|date:'DATE_FORMAT'` also makes the test fails. For example,
 a valid use case for explicitly wanting to pipe `date` to a given context
 provided date would be to truncate a datetime to date .
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
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  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
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Comment (by Claude Paroz):

 The docs definitely need an update. Something like:

 The default formatting to use when localization is disabled, typically
 with the `un/localize` template tag/filter. (with a link to
 https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/stable/topics/i18n/formatting
 /#controlling-localization-in-templates, which should also states in
 return that the format used is the one from the settings). In normal
 circumstances, the
 [https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/stable/topics/i18n/formatting locale-
 dictated format] has higher precedence and will be applied instead.
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Claude Paroz):

 Replying to [comment:6 Natalia Bidart]:
 > (Another data point: even using `{% localize off %}` does not honor the
 settings values. This feels unexpected to me...)

 Are you sure? This [https://github.com/claudep/django/commit/57f9982
 passing test] seems to show the contrary. Could you double-check?
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  Lufafa
 Type:   |  Joshua
  Cleanup/optimization   |   Status:  assigned
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Lufafa Joshua):

 * owner:  nobody => Lufafa Joshua
 * status:  new => assigned

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by Natalia Bidart):

 Similar report: #35142
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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:   |   Status:  new
  Cleanup/optimization   |
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Natalia Bidart):

 * type:  Bug => Cleanup/optimization

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Re: [Django] #35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings (was: Localisation of dates very confusing - why can't it be turned off anymore?)

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#35306: Improve documentation for the various date format settings
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 Reporter:  Richard  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  Bug  |   Status:  new
Component:   |  Version:  5.0
  Internationalization   |
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  LANGUAGE_CODE,   | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  DATE_FORMAT|
Has patch:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by Natalia Bidart):

 * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted
 * summary:
 Localisation of dates very confusing - why can't it be turned off
 anymore?
 => Improve documentation for the various date format settings

Comment:

 Accepting for the documentation improvements pending feedback from Claude.
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