Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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 Reporter:  marinho  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  blank space strip| Triage Stage:  Design
 |  decision needed
Has patch:  1|  Needs documentation:  0
  Needs tests:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  1
Easy pickings:  0|UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by tomchristie):

 Link to latest thread on the discussion group regarding this...

 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/django-developers/D1GBj9VB9sk/gDm5PFHMKSUJ

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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 Reporter:  marinho  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  blank space strip| Triage Stage:  Design
Has patch:  1|  decision needed
  Needs tests:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
Easy pickings:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  1
 |UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by jdufresne):

 +1. I would really appreciate if this feature could be reconsidered.
 Whether it is on by default or not, I don't care. Users are bypassing form
 validation by entering spaces in required fields. This seems to throw away
 the entire point.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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 Reporter:  marinho  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  blank space strip| Triage Stage:  Design
Has patch:  1|  decision needed
  Needs tests:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
Easy pickings:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  1
 |UI/UX:  0
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Comment (by carbonXT):

 FWIW, I agree with @jacob's decision that by default the framework
 shouldn't be mucking with user input. However, since removing
 leading/trailing whitespace is the desired behavior for I believe form
 I've ever written... a 'strip spaces' flag would be helpful.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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 Reporter:  marinho  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  blank space strip| Triage Stage:  Design
Has patch:  1|  decision needed
  Needs tests:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
Easy pickings:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  1
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Comment (by anonymous):

 It is really error prone to do the stripping manually.  This should be
 reconsidered.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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 Reporter:  marinho  |Owner:  nobody
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  blank space strip| Triage Stage:  Design
Has patch:  1|  decision needed
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Easy pickings:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  1
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Changes (by intgr):

 * cc: marti@… (added)


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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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   Reporter:  marinho|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  closed
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution:  wontfix|  Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|  Easy pickings:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
  UI/UX:  0  |
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Changes (by jacob):

 * status:  new => closed
 * resolution:   => wontfix


Comment:

 Silently discarding user input -- whether it's spaces or not -- isn't
 something a framework ought to do. There are enough ways to do this in
 user code, but if Django strips spaces there aren't any way to get them
 back, so it's gotta stay this way.

 I'd be slightly in favor of a normalization callback for fields (as
 suggested above), or ''maybe'' some sort of "strip spaces" flag (but only
 if done is a reasonable manner. If someone has a good proposal (hopefully
 with a patch) here feel free to open a new ticket for it.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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   Reporter:  marinho|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution: |  Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|  Easy pickings:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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   Reporter:  marinho|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution: |  Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|  Easy pickings:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
  UI/UX:  0  |
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Changes (by alekam):

 * cc: alex@… (added)
 * ui_ux:   => 0


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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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   Reporter:  marinho|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution: |  Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|  Easy pickings:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
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Changes (by ramiro):

 * easy:  1 => 0


Comment:

 Replying to [comment:39 boxed]:

 ''Easy picking'' is a recently added nullable boolean-like flag for
 tickets in our Trac instance that is reset to false with the first update
 to the ticket after it got added. That is the reason it changes even when
 you hadn't deactivated it explicitly. There is no need to set it back to
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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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   Reporter:  marinho|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution: |  Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|  Easy pickings:  1
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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   Reporter:  marinho|  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution: |  Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|  Easy pickings:  0
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
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Changes (by boxed):

 * easy:   => 0


Comment:

 Spaces in various fields in the database screw up sorting too, which gets
 reported as bugs because the spaces are of course not even shown by HTML.

 It's also very hard to fix after the fact. Cron jobs that run strips on
 all character fields on all your models? No thanks :P

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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   Reporter:  marinho|Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New|   Status:  new
  feature|Component:  Forms
  Milestone: | Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN| Keywords:  blank space strip
 Resolution: |Has patch:  1
   Triage Stage:  Design |  Needs tests:  0
  decision needed|
Needs documentation:  0  |
Patch needs improvement:  1  |
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Changes (by julien):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1
 * type:   => New feature
 * severity:   => Normal


Comment:

 Tests need to be updated to use unit tests.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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 * cc: fwen...@mozilla.com (added)

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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Comment (by ishirav):

 Two and a half years for such a small change? C'mon guys, this really
 needs to be fixed.

 Here's another use case that would benefit from this: you send an email to
 a user with his initial password, or an application license key. When the
 user copies the value from their email into a form field on your site,
 very often an extra blank slips in and the form validation fails. This is
 especially problematic in password fields, since the user can't even see
 that there's an extra blank in there. It happened to me several times,
 because when you select-by-double-clicking a word in Firefox or
 Thunderbird, the blank after the word is included in the selection (try
 it!)

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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 * cc: pa...@mozilla.com (added)

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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Changes (by ubernostrum):

  * milestone:  1.2 =>

Comment:

 1.2 is feature-frozen, moving this feature request off the milestone.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:  1.2  
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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Changes (by hvdklauw):

  * milestone:  => 1.2

Comment:

 If you call another ticket a duplicate:
 http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/11907
 At least make sure the original is still looked at...

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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Changes (by thebitguru):

 * cc: far...@thebitguru.com (added)

Comment:

 I am also looking for a decision on this (ideally, yes, do it).  Posting
 to the django developers group for a decision
 (http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/t/90352cc0da78390b).

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
Needs_docs:  0   |   Needs_tests:  0
Needs_better_patch:  0   |  
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Comment (by marinho):

 @julianb

 When I said "most of cases" I wasn't meaning "most of us in this
 discussion", but '''"most of projects made using Django"'''. And for
 exceptional cases, there would be an attribute to set it.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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#6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data
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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
 Stage:  Design decision needed  | Has_patch:  1
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Comment (by julianb):

 Replying to [comment:24 marinho]:
 > I'm sure most of cases people don't want keep blank spaces at left or
 right of cleaned strings.

 That might be, but as everyone here was told "Even if 100 people [think
 so], that's less than .1% of the userbase, so is entirely non-
 representative. The resolution will be on the merits, not some straw
 count."

 I'm wondering when that is happening.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
Status:  new | Milestone:   
 Component:  Forms   |   Version:  SVN  
Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
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Comment (by marinho):

 In my opinion would be simple have an attribute **"keep_blank_spaces"** in
 **forms.CharField**, with defaulf value **False**. Then who wants to keep
 the blank space just set something like this:

 {{{
 field = forms.CharField(max_length=20, keep_blank_spaces=True)
 }}}

 I'm sure most of cases people don't want keep blank spaces at left or
 right of cleaned strings.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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  Reporter:  marinho | Owner:  nobody   
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Resolution:  |  Keywords:  blank space strip
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 * cc: o...@iola.dk (added)

Comment:

 I sometimes got email from visitors claiming that the user registration
 form didn't work as it didn't accept their email address. Took quite a
 while to figure out what was wrong. Today I discovered the same problem
 with the shopping cart.

 Adding a {{{clean_email()}}} method to the form to strip the data doesn't
 work as it is run after {{{EmailField}}} does its check. So it's easy to
 do the wrong thing, and it's not straightforward to fix.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Comment (by dc):

 -1 for the normalize(). It's overkill for simple stripping. And for
 complicated normalization better normalize data in form.clean_FIELD() or
 write own field subclass with specialized clean() method.

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Re: [Django] #6362: Remove blank spaces with strip when validating the data

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Comment (by kratorius):

 See also #5714 that basically belongs to this.

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