Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Comment (by charettes):

 Replying to [comment:23 doctormo@…]:
 > @charettes - Maybe this is something that can be fixed using a
 templatetag. The nature of class and placeholder suggest they'd be happy
 in the template anyway.
 >
 > This doesn't help full form/table printing, but that whole system is
 weak and so assumptive. Basically making template information affixed in
 python code in a bad way.

 I agree that handling this at the template level would make more sense. I
 suggest that you take a look at #15667 which track efforts to implement
 template based widgets. From what I remember it introduced a templatetag
 to add attributes to widgets.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
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Comment (by doctormo@…):

 @charettes - Maybe this is something that can be fixed using a
 templatetag. The nature of class and placeholder suggest they'd be happy
 in the template anyway.

 This doesn't help full form/table printing, but that whole system is weak
 and so assumptive. Basically making template information affixed in python
 code in a bad way.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  closed
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  wontfix
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Changes (by charettes):

 * status:  assigned => closed
 * resolution:   => wontfix


Comment:

 While I also think introducing a way of specifying widget attributes
 without having to repeat the whole widget definition would be greatly
 useful I'm a bit concerned about the proposed solution, mainly from
 backward compatibility point of view.

 At first I thought adding a new `widget_attr` kwarg to `Field` could work
 but it leaves `ModelForm` and its `Meta.widgets` overrides behind.

 I definitely thinks your suggested approach is worth investigating since
 I've also been frustrated by the need to declare a whole widget to add a
 single `class` or `data-*` attribute in the past.

 However this whole discussion should really be moved to another ticket.
 I'll ''wontfix'' this one and look forward a to a new one based on the
 previous discussion.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Comment (by jgasteiz):

 I like your approach, lrekucki. As the placeholder option is UI/widget
 related, this looks much better solution to me.

 I'll give it a try.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Comment (by lrekucki):

 While I agree (see comment:9), I think it would be good to have a way to
 specify this without having to repeat the whole widget definition. I'm not
 proposing to implement anything like #17924, but maybe we could extend the
 set of valid inputs for the {{{widget}}} attribute to a mapping, i.e.:

 {{{
 comment = forms.CharField(max_length=200, widget={"placeholder": "Text!"})
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Comment (by jgasteiz):

 You got a point there. When I picked this ticket I could see some good
 things about getting this enhancement done, but after I started digging
 into the code I think I lost part of my conviction.

 Feel free to ''wontfix'' the ticket.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Changes (by charettes):

 * cc: charettes (added)


Comment:

 IMHO adding this attribute at the field level breaks the form and widget
 abstraction contract since `placeholder` is exclusively UI related and has
 nothing to do with data conversion which is what form fields are made for.

 While some can argue `help_text` is also UI related (and can be specified
 at the ORM level) it's not entirely bound to input directives and should
 be used as a data introspection reference (e.g. #9321 is a really bad use
 of `help_text`).

 Specifying a placeholder for a model form field is also quite easy:

 {{{
 #!python
 class MyModelForm(forms.ModelForm):
 class Meta:
 model = MyModel
 widgets = {
 'email': forms.TextInput({'placeholder':
 'addr...@domain.com'})
 }
 }}}

 I'm slightly tempted to ''wontfix'' this ticket.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Changes (by lrekucki):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1


Comment:

 Notes on pull request.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  0
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
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Changes (by jgasteiz):

 * needs_better_patch:  1 => 0


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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
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Comment (by jgasteiz):

 Github patch. [https://github.com/django/django/pull//files]

 Added to CharField, but applied in all input boxes and textarea.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
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Changes (by martmatwarne):

 * cc: martmatwarne (added)


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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  jgasteiz
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
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Changes (by jgasteiz):

 * cc: javi.manzano.oller@… (added)
 * owner:  anonymous => jgasteiz


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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  anonymous
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
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  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
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 * owner:  j4nu5 => anonymous


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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
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Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Changes (by lrekucki):

 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1


Old description:

> HTML5 introduces a 'placeholder' attribute to form inputs, providing a
> text hint which disappears when the user highlights it, which greatly
> improves the UX of a page.
>
> To do this in Django currently, you have to do something like:
>
> comment = forms.CharField(max_length=200, widget=forms.TextInput({
> "placeholder": "Text!"}))
>
> However, to do this with a ModelForm is much more complicated:
> http://bitkickers.blogspot.com/2010/09/django-html5-input-
> placeholders.html
>
> I suggest that there should be an easier way to set placeholder text in
> form fields and model form fields:
>
> comment = forms.CharField(max_length=200, placeholder="Text!")
>
> (This would also be a good starting point for other new HTML5 input
> elements, such as 'required' and 'email', but those should be separate
> tickets. The code would be very similar though.)
> What do you think?

New description:

 HTML5 introduces a 'placeholder' attribute to form inputs, providing a
 text hint which disappears when the user highlights it, which greatly
 improves the UX of a page.

 To do this in Django currently, you have to do something like:

 {{{#!python
 comment = forms.CharField(max_length=200, widget=forms.TextInput({
 "placeholder": "Text!"}))
 }}}

 However, to do this with a ModelForm is much more complicated:
 http://bitkickers.blogspot.com/2010/09/django-html5-input-
 placeholders.html

 I suggest that there should be an easier way to set placeholder text in
 form fields and model form fields:

 {{{#!python
 comment = forms.CharField(max_length=200, placeholder="Text!")
 }}}

 (This would also be a good starting point for other new HTML5 input
 elements, such as 'required' and 'email', but those should be separate
 tickets. The code would be very similar though.)
 What do you think?

--

Comment:

 Is there any reason why this is added only to {{{CharField}}}?
 {{{placeholder}}} is more of a widget thing, so it shouldn't matter on
 what type of field I define it as long as I use a widget that can render
 it. Also, {{{placeholder}}} is also legal on {{{}}} not only
 variations of {{{}}}.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  0
  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Comment (by tonnzor):

 Any blockers for landing it in the master? It looks like it is done but
 not merged for some reason.

 It is really needed and useful feature, it improves user experience
 without tons of workarounds.

 Just to note -- all major browsers already support it for more than a
 year:
 {{{
 browser: Firefox Safari Chrome  Opera   IE  iPhone  Android
 version: 4.0+4.0+   4.0+11.0+   10.0+   4.0+2.1+
 }}}

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  master
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  assigned
Component:  Forms|  Version:  SVN
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
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  Needs tests:  0|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Changes (by j4nu5):

 * status:  new => assigned
 * needs_better_patch:  1 => 0
 * needs_tests:  1 => 0


Comment:

 Based on the discussions on dev mailing list, I have removed placeholder
 attribute from ModelForms.

 The submitted patch adds a placeholder attribute to Forms. ModelForms will
 have to be manually overridden to add a placeholder attribute. Has tests
 and documentation.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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 Reporter:  rich@…   |Owner:  j4nu5
 Type:  New feature  |   Status:  new
Component:  Forms|  Version:  SVN
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:
 Keywords:  forms, placeholder,  | Triage Stage:  Accepted
  html5  |  Needs documentation:  0
Has patch:  1|  Patch needs improvement:  1
  Needs tests:  1|UI/UX:  1
Easy pickings:  1|
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Changes (by j4nu5):

 * status:  assigned => new
 * cc: j4nu5 (added)
 * needs_better_patch:  0 => 1
 * owner:  avenet => j4nu5
 * needs_docs:  1 => 0
 * has_patch:  0 => 1


Comment:

 I have added the said functionality to both model forms and normal forms,
 in 16304.patch.

 However, I suggest to club this ticket with a bigger undertaking of making
 Django HTML5 aware.

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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   Reporter:  rich@… |  Owner:  avenet
   Type:  New| Status:  assigned
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  forms, placeholder,
 Resolution: |  html5
   Triage Stage:  Accepted   |  Has patch:  0
Needs documentation:  1  |Needs tests:  1
Patch needs improvement:  0  |  Easy pickings:  1
  UI/UX:  1  |
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Changes (by avenet):

 * owner:  nobody => avenet
 * status:  new => assigned


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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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   Reporter:  rich@… |  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  forms, placeholder,
 Resolution: |  html5
   Triage Stage:  Accepted   |  Has patch:  0
Needs documentation:  1  |Needs tests:  1
Patch needs improvement:  0  |  Easy pickings:  1
  UI/UX:  1  |
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Comment (by d0ugal):

 I think this ticket needs to be coordinated with the form rendering GSOC
 as a number of changes are being made in this area. Thus you may want to
 add it to the discussion on the mailing list:
 https://groups.google.com/d/topic/django-developers/N5EVJhb9la4/discussion

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Re: [Django] #16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields. (was: Forms Need HTML5 'placeholder' attribute)

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#16304: Add HTML5 'placeholder' attribute support to form fields.
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   Reporter:  rich@… |  Owner:  nobody
   Type:  New| Status:  new
  feature|  Component:  Forms
  Milestone: |   Severity:  Normal
Version:  SVN|   Keywords:  forms, placeholder,
 Resolution: |  html5
   Triage Stage:  Accepted   |  Has patch:  0
Needs documentation:  1  |Needs tests:  1
Patch needs improvement:  0  |  Easy pickings:  1
  UI/UX:  1  |
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