Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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 Reporter:  bthomas  |Owner:
 Type:  Uncategorized|  garcia_marc
Component:   |   Status:  closed
  Internationalization   |  Version:  1.0
 Severity:  Normal   |   Resolution:  fixed
 Keywords:  i18n-fixed   | Triage Stage:  Fixed on
Has patch:  1|  a branch
  Needs tests:  0|  Needs documentation:  0
Easy pickings:  0|  Patch needs improvement:  0
 |UI/UX:  0
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Changes (by guettli):

 * cc: hv@… (removed)
 * ui_ux:   => 0
 * type:   => Uncategorized
 * severity:   => Normal
 * easy:   => 0


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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  garcia_marc
Status:  new   | Milestone: 
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0
Resolution:|  Keywords:  i18n-fixed 
 Stage:  Accepted  | Has_patch:  1  
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0  
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Changes (by garcia_marc):

  * keywords:  => i18n-fixed
  * owner:  nobody => garcia_marc

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Accepted  | Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Changes (by anonymous):

 * cc: h...@tbz-pariv.de (added)

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Accepted  | Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Comment (by bthomas):

 See discussion at http://groups.google.com/group/django-
 developers/browse_thread/thread/887fc3babda70418

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Accepted  | Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Changes (by jacob):

  * stage:  Unreviewed => Accepted

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Unreviewed| Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Comment (by mtredinnick):

 You are simply saying that the second feature is necessary. Not that it is
 entirely and unrevocably part of the first bug fix. It will be quite
 possible to fix the first part without adding the second part. They are
 separable. This isn't a question of value.

 In any case, this is going around and around. The internationalisation fix
 will be done as part of a larger ticket. At that point, somebody can
 update this with a fix to add the missing bit.

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Unreviewed| Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Comment (by Daniel Pope ):

 The second part is not independent. Imagine a culture that writes date as
 {{{dd/mm/}}} but date and time as {{{dd/mm hh:mm }}}. Whether any
 such culture exists I don't know, but an internationalisable datetime
 formatting system should be able to cope with this.

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Unreviewed| Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Comment (by mtredinnick):

 It is about two items. Item #1 is the first paragraph of the description.
 Item #2 is the second paragraph. The second one is a feature request and
 is independent of the first part.

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Unreviewed| Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Comment (by Daniel Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>):

 @mtreddinick: This isn't really two items. This ticket is about the fact
 that there's no way of using the existing datetime localisation
 
(http://code.djangoproject.com/browser/django/trunk/django/utils/translation/trans_real.py#L396)
 in templates.

 It makes sense to have the date and time filters do this if the i18n
 machinery is enabled - otherwise these filters are just about useless in
 internationalised applications. However, it's not sufficient to just have
 date and time filters, as the preferred format for combined time and date
 in different cultures ''may'' vary independently from date, time or any
 combination of the two, so the solution also necessitates a datetime
 filter. It's a two-part solution, not two different problems.

 Anyway, FWIW, this is exactly what I need for the site I'm developing at
 the moment.

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas   | Owner:  nobody
Status:  new   | Milestone:
 Component:  Internationalization  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution:|  Keywords:
 Stage:  Unreviewed| Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0 |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0 |  
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Changes (by bthomas):

  * component:  Uncategorized => Internationalization

Comment:

 I think this is somewhat related to #2203 (the bug part of it, anyway).
 However that ticket is fixed will affect this, since the admin interface's
 date display should be consistent with the date filters.

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Re: [Django] #9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime filter

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#9366: date and time filters do not use localized strings, missing datetime 
filter
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  Reporter:  bthomas| Owner:  nobody
Status:  new| Milestone:
 Component:  Uncategorized  |   Version:  1.0   
Resolution: |  Keywords:
 Stage:  Unreviewed | Has_patch:  1 
Needs_docs:  0  |   Needs_tests:  0 
Needs_better_patch:  0  |  
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Changes (by mtredinnick):

  * needs_better_patch:  => 0
  * needs_tests:  => 0
  * needs_docs:  => 0

Comment:

 One item per ticket, please. You're both trying to report a bug and add a
 new feature here. I suspect the new feature probably won't go in, since
 you can already format datetimes with the date filter and we should just
 the right default there (whatever that is).

 So please split out the new feature bit from this patch so the bugfix can
 be considered in isolation (it also will need a test). If you want to open
 a new ticket for the new feature, that's fine and it can then be looked at
 in due course.

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