I almost made a comment the other day on this topic in regards to how
to "Properly reply to a question" and other etiquette.
Several years ago I entered the tech and IT industry and quickly
noticed the incredible lack of good social skills by my peers. It
went beyond not knowing how to dress (beyond fashion sense, but not
realizing your clothes were wrinkled, dirty and had a bad odor) or how
to talk to girls, it included the inability to control inner
dialogue. There was a genuine inability to understand true team
dynamics. I had transferred to the "computer realm" from a strong
Chemistry background, so socially awkward people were a norm, but this
was different. I noticed that most of these people would discuss
these issues and cite books they had read about building teams and how
to "read" or "handle" people. It was quite funny to hear one of them
explain how to work with others and respect people, yet not be able to
actually execute it appropriately.
I have not pursued a formal study, but I have noticed that there is a
lack of team building events in their early lives. No true team
sports growing up, but rather events rewarding being an individual
(chess, video games, go, etc). The deeper concepts of teams
completely eluded them, just as most social skills. They could read
all about how to build teams or work in teams, but oddly most of the
books they read were written by other "techies" who had made a living
jumping from team to team and being praised as "guns for hire" in the
tech world.
You will notice these people have a very small group of friends in
their real life and are more empowered in this virtual world. Their
weakness in the real world is balanced out by being strong in this
world and most of them pursue/view strength through an ability to be
condescending. Their inner sorrow is projected out in a form of rage
and that usually (hopefully) only comes out as rude, curt and
inpatient.
No need to chastise them, their life is full enough of that, rather
ignore their rudeness and try and pick the "gems" of wisdom they
dispense between stabs. After all, most of them are very intelligent
in a very focused realm, like programming in Python.
On Apr 22, 8:15 pm, mdipierro wrote:
> > Knowing nothing about web design, this seems a very legal question to me.
> > With Python you can do everything, so why do you need Django or Web2Py
> > at all ?
>
> without going over differences since this is not the appropriate place
> for me to speak...
> all web apps have something in common:
> - the need to map urls into function calls (dispatching)
> - they need to manage persistence (sessions, cookies, database, cache)
> - they need to be able to manipulate standard protocols including
> http, html, rss, json, etc.
>
> At first approximation a framework is a collection of libraries for
> doing those things in the proper way.
> Some frameworks are collections of modules written separately, some
> are collections developed to work together.
>
> At second approximation a framework usually has a philosophy and
> guides the developer to follow good software engineering practices by
> forcing the developer to build web apps in a modular way.
>
> You can develop web apps without a framework but there is a lot of
> coding to do. It would not be efficient. Just think about the problem
> of efficiently handling sessions, generate session cookies, retrieve
> the session, etc. There are many chances of doing mistakes and, if you
> know how to it eventually you end writing a framework yourself.
> Unfortunately that is what happened to some of us.
>
> > One of the selection criteria I often use,
> > is the support offered in discussion lists
> > ... and until now I didn't encounter the kind of answers in the web2py
> > list as I've seen here on this question.
>
> I do not remember you ever asking this question there but if you do
> again I will be happy go over more details.
>
> > just my 2 cents as another still seeking for the right answers person,
> > cheers,
> > Stef Mientki
>
> sorry for the intrusion.
>
> Massimo
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