Re: Angular and Django

[Andrew Farrell]

Doug, I'm very interested to hear that Angular is more powerful than
Ember. After some indecision between Ember and Angular, I decided to start
picking up Ember on the advice of a friend that it was the more powerful of
the two. Therefore, if you have anything I might read to contradict that,
I'd be really interested to learn from it.

Also, Toran Billups, if you are listening to this thread and don't mind a
friendly debate,
I recall you had expressed some strong positive opinions about Ember+Django
back at the end of January.
Have you explored Angular and do you have any thoughts about the comparison?


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 12:05 PM, Phang Mulianto 
wrote:

> Angularjs great for a front end, and it just plain html + javascript. we
> won't need django templating, just put the angular app in a webserver like
> nginx to server static files, then use django for the API part with REST
> service.
>
> The angular html generation should not in django templating, because it
> will loose the benefit of REST + API application. and you will still need
> to process the HTML before output to the client / nginx server.
>
> Just let django process the core CRUD function and
> authentication/authorization, and the presentation give it to Angularjs.
>
> I am use angular if want better user experience with web app, especially
> with single page app.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mulianto
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Scot Hacker 
> wrote:
>
>> Angular is really wonderful, and I use it with several Django projects.
>> But the two are agnostic about each other. All Angular needs from the
>> back-end is a solid JSON API to work with and a few core back-end features
>> like handling authentication. Modern JS frameworks like Angular, sadly,
>> make the back-end almost (but not quite) irrelevant. The reason I use
>> Django as the back-end is because Django REST Framework is so freaking
>> fantastic as an API generator. I'm really hoping that once Django 1.7 lands
>> and migrations are in, the dev team will turn its attention to native
>> RESTfulness.
>>
>> You do lose a lot of Django goodness when adopting a client-side
>> framework though. For example, you can't traverse model relationships
>> however and whenever you want - any data you need in the view needs to be
>> added to the API first.
>>
>> This isn't *quite* ready for public consumption yet, but here's something
>> I've been working on - a kit for building hybrid Django + Angular sites:
>>
>> https://github.com/shacker/tristano
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:03:17 PM UTC-7, zweb wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django
>>> Templates does but on the client side.
>>>
>>> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the
>>> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
>>> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB
>>> access? (when used with Angular)
>>>
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Re: Angular and Django

[Phang Mulianto]

Angularjs great for a front end, and it just plain html + javascript. we
won't need django templating, just put the angular app in a webserver like
nginx to server static files, then use django for the API part with REST
service.

The angular html generation should not in django templating, because it
will loose the benefit of REST + API application. and you will still need
to process the HTML before output to the client / nginx server.

Just let django process the core CRUD function and
authentication/authorization, and the presentation give it to Angularjs.

I am use angular if want better user experience with web app, especially
with single page app.

Regards,

Mulianto


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:51 PM, Scot Hacker  wrote:

> Angular is really wonderful, and I use it with several Django projects.
> But the two are agnostic about each other. All Angular needs from the
> back-end is a solid JSON API to work with and a few core back-end features
> like handling authentication. Modern JS frameworks like Angular, sadly,
> make the back-end almost (but not quite) irrelevant. The reason I use
> Django as the back-end is because Django REST Framework is so freaking
> fantastic as an API generator. I'm really hoping that once Django 1.7 lands
> and migrations are in, the dev team will turn its attention to native
> RESTfulness.
>
> You do lose a lot of Django goodness when adopting a client-side framework
> though. For example, you can't traverse model relationships however and
> whenever you want - any data you need in the view needs to be added to the
> API first.
>
> This isn't *quite* ready for public consumption yet, but here's something
> I've been working on - a kit for building hybrid Django + Angular sites:
>
> https://github.com/shacker/tristano
>
>
> On Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:03:17 PM UTC-7, zweb wrote:
>>
>>
>> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django
>> Templates does but on the client side.
>>
>> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the
>> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
>> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB
>> access? (when used with Angular)
>>
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Re: Angular and Django

[Scot Hacker]

Angular is really wonderful, and I use it with several Django projects. But 
the two are agnostic about each other. All Angular needs from the back-end 
is a solid JSON API to work with and a few core back-end features like 
handling authentication. Modern JS frameworks like Angular, sadly, make the 
back-end almost (but not quite) irrelevant. The reason I use Django as the 
back-end is because Django REST Framework is so freaking fantastic as an 
API generator. I'm really hoping that once Django 1.7 lands and migrations 
are in, the dev team will turn its attention to native RESTfulness.

You do lose a lot of Django goodness when adopting a client-side framework 
though. For example, you can't traverse model relationships however and 
whenever you want - any data you need in the view needs to be added to the 
API first. 

This isn't *quite* ready for public consumption yet, but here's something 
I've been working on - a kit for building hybrid Django + Angular sites:

https://github.com/shacker/tristano


On Saturday, June 21, 2014 4:03:17 PM UTC-7, zweb wrote:
>
>
> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django 
> Templates does but on the client side. 
>
> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the 
> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB access? 
> (when used with Angular)
>
>

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Re: Angular and Django

[Doug Snyder]

Angular directives and binding are actually more powerful than Django's
templating!


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Doug Snyder  wrote:

> compared to other js webapp solutions like Ember or Knockout,
> Angular is more powerful but maybe a steaper learning curve.
> It lets you get really under the hood and has a unique feature called
> directives where you're essentially creating html tags to use as widgets.
> Its state of the art and Google folks aren't afraid of getting into the
> pudding.
> As people write more and more reuseable directives to share around,
> its going to become more and more powerful.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Doug Snyder 
> wrote:
>
>> be sure to check out:  django-angular
>> <http://django-angular.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html>
>>
>> I'm just starting to use angular and django together.
>> I plan on using django's integration with Content Delivery Networks to
>> serve static files including the Angular app files
>> ( AngularJS itself can already be served with content delivery just by
>> using  the URL google provides:
>> http://blog.angularjs.org/2012/07/angularjs-now-hosted-on-google-cdn.html
>> but also image files that require fast response time.
>> Django has nice tools to preprocess static files using the
>>
>> django-compressor <http://django-compressor.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>
>>
>> Things like 3rd party logins are basically solved and modularized into
>> prepackaged apps:
>> django-social-auth <http://django-social-auth.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>
>>
>>
>> I also use python libraries that aren't associated with django,
>> there's really not much that ISN'T written in python these days.
>> I am able to get nice packages to access Web API.
>>
>> I'm using GIS data in one of my projects and django makes it really easy
>> with:
>> GeoDjango <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/>
>>
>>
>> which pulls together many ongoing GIS packages all into one simple,
>> extensible interface that fits right into django.
>> So I guess there's a lot of reasons to use django with Angular, but it
>> depends on what you are trying to do.
>> Moving stuff to the front end does make the back end less important, but
>> you still need a backend unless you can really
>> do what you need to with solutions that basically amount to having your
>> Angular app have all the functionality and having
>> storage in a cloud db.
>> I've also thought of using Flask, another python web dev platform. Its
>> supposed to be lighter weight than django,
>> but lighter on functionality and conveniences and an active developer
>> network. If I wasn't using any python awesomeness,
>> maybe a Flask backend would improve server performance, but everything
>> I'm working on can benefit from django so I
>> haven't taken the time to learn Flask.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>> Django and AngularJS are two scoops of webdev icecream with sparkles.
>> Hope you enjoy.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Glen Jungels 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> When I am finally able to get django to work, I plan on doing this.  I
>>> think the client side processing of Angular will be a nice complement to
>>> Django on the back end.
>>>  On Jun 22, 2014 5:12 AM, "zweb"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing
>>>> Django Templates does but on the client side.
>>>>
>>>> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the
>>>> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
>>>> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB
>>>> access? (when used with Angular)
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Re: Angular and Django

[Doug Snyder]

compared to other js webapp solutions like Ember or Knockout,
Angular is more powerful but maybe a steaper learning curve.
It lets you get really under the hood and has a unique feature called
directives where you're essentially creating html tags to use as widgets.
Its state of the art and Google folks aren't afraid of getting into the
pudding.
As people write more and more reuseable directives to share around,
its going to become more and more powerful.



On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Doug Snyder  wrote:

> be sure to check out:  django-angular
> <http://django-angular.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html>
>
> I'm just starting to use angular and django together.
> I plan on using django's integration with Content Delivery Networks to
> serve static files including the Angular app files
> ( AngularJS itself can already be served with content delivery just by
> using  the URL google provides:
> http://blog.angularjs.org/2012/07/angularjs-now-hosted-on-google-cdn.html
> but also image files that require fast response time.
> Django has nice tools to preprocess static files using the
>
> django-compressor <http://django-compressor.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>
>
> Things like 3rd party logins are basically solved and modularized into
> prepackaged apps:
> django-social-auth <http://django-social-auth.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>
>
>
> I also use python libraries that aren't associated with django,
> there's really not much that ISN'T written in python these days.
> I am able to get nice packages to access Web API.
>
> I'm using GIS data in one of my projects and django makes it really easy
> with:
> GeoDjango <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/>
>
>
> which pulls together many ongoing GIS packages all into one simple,
> extensible interface that fits right into django.
> So I guess there's a lot of reasons to use django with Angular, but it
> depends on what you are trying to do.
> Moving stuff to the front end does make the back end less important, but
> you still need a backend unless you can really
> do what you need to with solutions that basically amount to having your
> Angular app have all the functionality and having
> storage in a cloud db.
> I've also thought of using Flask, another python web dev platform. Its
> supposed to be lighter weight than django,
> but lighter on functionality and conveniences and an active developer
> network. If I wasn't using any python awesomeness,
> maybe a Flask backend would improve server performance, but everything I'm
> working on can benefit from django so I
> haven't taken the time to learn Flask.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Django and AngularJS are two scoops of webdev icecream with sparkles. Hope
> you enjoy.
>
> Doug
>
> On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Glen Jungels 
> wrote:
>
>> When I am finally able to get django to work, I plan on doing this.  I
>> think the client side processing of Angular will be a nice complement to
>> Django on the back end.
>>  On Jun 22, 2014 5:12 AM, "zweb"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django
>>> Templates does but on the client side.
>>>
>>> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the
>>> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
>>> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB
>>> access? (when used with Angular)
>>>
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Re: Angular and Django

[Doug Snyder]

be sure to check out:  django-angular
<http://django-angular.readthedocs.org/en/latest/index.html>

I'm just starting to use angular and django together.
I plan on using django's integration with Content Delivery Networks to
serve static files including the Angular app files
( AngularJS itself can already be served with content delivery just by
using  the URL google provides:
http://blog.angularjs.org/2012/07/angularjs-now-hosted-on-google-cdn.html
but also image files that require fast response time.
Django has nice tools to preprocess static files using the

django-compressor <http://django-compressor.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>

Things like 3rd party logins are basically solved and modularized into
prepackaged apps:
django-social-auth <http://django-social-auth.readthedocs.org/en/latest/>


I also use python libraries that aren't associated with django,
there's really not much that ISN'T written in python these days.
I am able to get nice packages to access Web API.

I'm using GIS data in one of my projects and django makes it really easy
with:
GeoDjango <https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/gis/>


which pulls together many ongoing GIS packages all into one simple,
extensible interface that fits right into django.
So I guess there's a lot of reasons to use django with Angular, but it
depends on what you are trying to do.
Moving stuff to the front end does make the back end less important, but
you still need a backend unless you can really
do what you need to with solutions that basically amount to having your
Angular app have all the functionality and having
storage in a cloud db.
I've also thought of using Flask, another python web dev platform. Its
supposed to be lighter weight than django,
but lighter on functionality and conveniences and an active developer
network. If I wasn't using any python awesomeness,
maybe a Flask backend would improve server performance, but everything I'm
working on can benefit from django so I
haven't taken the time to learn Flask.

Hope this helps.
Django and AngularJS are two scoops of webdev icecream with sparkles. Hope
you enjoy.

Doug

On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Glen Jungels  wrote:

> When I am finally able to get django to work, I plan on doing this.  I
> think the client side processing of Angular will be a nice complement to
> Django on the back end.
> On Jun 22, 2014 5:12 AM, "zweb"  wrote:
>
>>
>> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django
>> Templates does but on the client side.
>>
>> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the
>> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
>> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB
>> access? (when used with Angular)
>>
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Re: Angular and Django

[Glen Jungels]

When I am finally able to get django to work, I plan on doing this.  I
think the client side processing of Angular will be a nice complement to
Django on the back end.
On Jun 22, 2014 5:12 AM, "zweb"  wrote:

>
> I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django
> Templates does but on the client side.
>
> Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the
> /pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
> Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB access?
> (when used with Angular)
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Angular and Django

[zweb]

I was looking at Angular and looks like it does many of the thing Django 
Templates does but on the client side. 

Are you using Angular with Django? How is the experience? What are the 
/pros/cons? What are using django for and what are you using angular for?
Is django pretty much a rest framework  with business logic and DB access? 
(when used with Angular)

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