Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-28 Thread Stephen McDonald 
Hey Anton,

Here's good deep-dive into Mezzanine only published 24 hours ago:

http://blog.liip.ch/archive/2013/09/27/mezzanine-cms-hackday.html


On Saturday, 28 September 2013 02:35:28 UTC+10, Anton Melser wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm pretty new to Django/Python and I'm starting a fairly major project 
> (hopefully next 2+ years of my life :-)). If all goes well, there will be 
> several developers on the project in a year or two - getting our hands 
> dirty is what it's all about. Use something I know? PHP/.NET/Java - no 
> thanks! It's going to be a long road and I've quickly seen the superiority 
> of Python and the ease of development with Django and I'm definitely in for 
> the long haul so... 
>
> There is quite a bit of functionality that has been written 50k times 
> before and I'd rather not reinvent, like advanced user management (social 
> everything yadda yadda), some nice templates to start with (supporting 
> bootstrap 3 within the next 2-3 months or so) and dynamic theming, blog, 
> article management, easy plugging to search backends, content and user 
> rating, unit tests, etc.
>
> Beta versions are fine as long as the latest sexy version will go stable 
> within 2-3 months and contributing back is a given, at least while it 
> remains viable.
>
> So I've been looking around at what to start with and there is quite a bit 
> of choice. Django-CMS, Mezzanine, FeinCMS to name but a few... 
>
> The stuff I refer to above is stuff I would REALLY like to have out of the 
> box (ie, it's what we're starting with), for the rest (marketplace, 
> mapping, geo-location, kitchen sink, etc.) we just need for it to be easy 
> to add new modules which by then I/we should be able to write from scratch 
> anyway, if needed. Other stuff we probably don't need at all like 
> multi-lang.
>
> I guess the only other particularity is that we are going to need 
> excellent caching - we are expecting around 90% of the traffic on 2-3 days 
> and serious peaking within that. Going PAAS is not out of the question but 
> if we can get away with some advanced caching then I'd rather start with 
> that and then if cashflow warrants it re-evaluate the situation later. 
>
> So, should I start with a CMS? If so, which one? What I'm really looking 
> for is a base to start with that I don't end up saying "why the #!@& did I 
> start with X" in 12 months time...
>
> Any opinions or insults are most welcome!
>
> Thanks,
> Anton
>

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Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-28 Thread Anton Melser 


> Hey Anton,
>
> From my experience if it's a 2 year project you're building don't use a 
> CMS. Start with a plain Django project and then add apps you need. All 
> these CMSs will just lock you in and become more of a hinderance then help. 
>
> I also recommend building your own admin before you invest too much time 
> into customising the default admin. 
>
> Certainly very wise advice. I guess my problem is that I wanted to have a 
solid guide for overall project structure (not having done a major project 
in Django before), something which a good CMS can often provide. That and 
some first versions of apps so we can start with something and evolve. It's 
definitely the lock-in that I'm looking to minimise though... FeinCMS seems 
to be the project that puts itself across as what I'm looking for - a solid 
skeleton that doesn't assume too much. I'll look more into that.
Thanks for your insight,
A

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Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-28 Thread Anton Melser 

>
>
> Might be an idea to write a one page business plan. Amazing how quickly 
> it all becomes clear as soon as the business objectives are nailed down. 
> After that I would guess only one of those would stand out for you. 
>
> We have a pretty solid business plan, or at least one that the startup 
incubator is happy with :-). The only problem is that they are necessary to 
create but only really for crystallising thinking rather than laying out a 
solid roadmap. We have far too many ideas and we want to let things evolve 
through test-and-learn and customer development. Basically we just want an 
MVP that we won't have to throw out 6 mths in. Maybe it's a pipe dream 
though...
Thanks,
A

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Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-27 Thread Mario Gudelj 
Hey Anton,

>From my experience if it's a 2 year project you're building don't use a
CMS. Start with a plain Django project and then add apps you need. All
these CMSs will just lock you in and become more of a hinderance then help.

I also recommend building your own admin before you invest too much time
into customising the default admin.

Cheers,

M


On 28 September 2013 07:37, Anton Melser  wrote:

>
> Are you try with 
> https://www.djangopackages.**com/??
>>
>
> The problem is the amount of choice. There seem to be many great packages
> there but I was hoping someone from the community with more intimate
> knowledge of what is there might be able to shed some light on the subject.
> From my investigations, Django-CMS, FeinCMS and Mezzanine all have their
> strong points for what I want. I guess there is no "right" choice but there
> might be a "righter" one :-).
> Cheers,
> A
>
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Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-27 Thread Mike Dewhirst 

On 28/09/2013 7:37am, Anton Melser wrote:


Are you try with https://www.djangopackages.com/
 ??


The problem is the amount of choice. There seem to be many great
packages there but I was hoping someone from the community with more
intimate knowledge of what is there might be able to shed some light on
the subject. From my investigations, Django-CMS, FeinCMS and Mezzanine
all have their strong points for what I want. I guess there is no
"right" choice but there might be a "righter" one :-).


Might be an idea to write a one page business plan. Amazing how quickly 
it all becomes clear as soon as the business objectives are nailed down. 
After that I would guess only one of those would stand out for you.


Cheers

Mike


Cheers,
A

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Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-27 Thread Anton Melser 


> Are you try with https://www.djangopackages.com/ ??
>

The problem is the amount of choice. There seem to be many great packages 
there but I was hoping someone from the community with more intimate 
knowledge of what is there might be able to shed some light on the subject. 
>From my investigations, Django-CMS, FeinCMS and Mezzanine all have their 
strong points for what I want. I guess there is no "right" choice but there 
might be a "righter" one :-).
Cheers,
A
 

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Re: CMS base to start with?

2013-09-27 Thread Rafael E. Ferrero 
Are you try with https://www.djangopackages.com/ ??



2013/9/27 Anton Melser 

> Hi,
>
> I'm pretty new to Django/Python and I'm starting a fairly major project
> (hopefully next 2+ years of my life :-)). If all goes well, there will be
> several developers on the project in a year or two - getting our hands
> dirty is what it's all about. Use something I know? PHP/.NET/Java - no
> thanks! It's going to be a long road and I've quickly seen the superiority
> of Python and the ease of development with Django and I'm definitely in for
> the long haul so...
>
> There is quite a bit of functionality that has been written 50k times
> before and I'd rather not reinvent, like advanced user management (social
> everything yadda yadda), some nice templates to start with (supporting
> bootstrap 3 within the next 2-3 months or so) and dynamic theming, blog,
> article management, easy plugging to search backends, content and user
> rating, unit tests, etc.
>
> Beta versions are fine as long as the latest sexy version will go stable
> within 2-3 months and contributing back is a given, at least while it
> remains viable.
>
> So I've been looking around at what to start with and there is quite a bit
> of choice. Django-CMS, Mezzanine, FeinCMS to name but a few...
>
> The stuff I refer to above is stuff I would REALLY like to have out of the
> box (ie, it's what we're starting with), for the rest (marketplace,
> mapping, geo-location, kitchen sink, etc.) we just need for it to be easy
> to add new modules which by then I/we should be able to write from scratch
> anyway, if needed. Other stuff we probably don't need at all like
> multi-lang.
>
> I guess the only other particularity is that we are going to need
> excellent caching - we are expecting around 90% of the traffic on 2-3 days
> and serious peaking within that. Going PAAS is not out of the question but
> if we can get away with some advanced caching then I'd rather start with
> that and then if cashflow warrants it re-evaluate the situation later.
>
> So, should I start with a CMS? If so, which one? What I'm really looking
> for is a base to start with that I don't end up saying "why the #!@& did I
> start with X" in 12 months time...
>
> Any opinions or insults are most welcome!
>
> Thanks,
> Anton
>
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CMS base to start with?

2013-09-27 Thread Anton Melser 
Hi,

I'm pretty new to Django/Python and I'm starting a fairly major project 
(hopefully next 2+ years of my life :-)). If all goes well, there will be 
several developers on the project in a year or two - getting our hands 
dirty is what it's all about. Use something I know? PHP/.NET/Java - no 
thanks! It's going to be a long road and I've quickly seen the superiority 
of Python and the ease of development with Django and I'm definitely in for 
the long haul so... 

There is quite a bit of functionality that has been written 50k times 
before and I'd rather not reinvent, like advanced user management (social 
everything yadda yadda), some nice templates to start with (supporting 
bootstrap 3 within the next 2-3 months or so) and dynamic theming, blog, 
article management, easy plugging to search backends, content and user 
rating, unit tests, etc.

Beta versions are fine as long as the latest sexy version will go stable 
within 2-3 months and contributing back is a given, at least while it 
remains viable.

So I've been looking around at what to start with and there is quite a bit 
of choice. Django-CMS, Mezzanine, FeinCMS to name but a few... 

The stuff I refer to above is stuff I would REALLY like to have out of the 
box (ie, it's what we're starting with), for the rest (marketplace, 
mapping, geo-location, kitchen sink, etc.) we just need for it to be easy 
to add new modules which by then I/we should be able to write from scratch 
anyway, if needed. Other stuff we probably don't need at all like 
multi-lang.

I guess the only other particularity is that we are going to need excellent 
caching - we are expecting around 90% of the traffic on 2-3 days and 
serious peaking within that. Going PAAS is not out of the question but if 
we can get away with some advanced caching then I'd rather start with that 
and then if cashflow warrants it re-evaluate the situation later. 

So, should I start with a CMS? If so, which one? What I'm really looking 
for is a base to start with that I don't end up saying "why the #!@& did I 
start with X" in 12 months time...

Any opinions or insults are most welcome!

Thanks,
Anton

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