Re: Django Produces Python?

[Mario R. Osorio]

I've tried multiple managed hosting and they all have limitations that will 
eventually go against your expansion needs. The best example I can think of 
is the fact that in most of these services you cannot compile, and some of 
python's libraries do require compiling.

I favor Virtual Private Servers and personally prefer DigitalOcean.com. 
They have a very nice price structure that starts at $5/month and even 
offer one-click applications, Django 1.8.7 among them. Not only that, their 
documentation is very complete and they have a tutorial for virtually 
everything, from configuring your server to securing and hardening its 
security. I would say DO is also a 'battery included' service when it comes 
to non managed server (and no, I'm not getting paid by DO!, I'm just a big 
fan...)

HTH!


On Sunday, March 26, 2017 at 11:24:13 AM UTC-4, Ed Sutherland wrote:
>
> I now understand the purpose and worth of Django. What, then, are the 
> questions I need to ask potential hosts? I'm leaning toward Linode, but 
> would also like affordable managed hosting.
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 04:16:52 -0400 Lachlan Musicman > wrote 
>
> If you take James' answer and expand it a little, take a look at a Python 
> micro-framework like Pylons http://pylonsproject.org/
>
> It's smaller than Django and is a useful tool for a different type of 
> website.
>
> For instance take Authentication and Authorization - logins. Not every 
> site needs one. Django has it by default. If you don't need it, maybe 
> Pylons is a better fit. 
>
> But be aware - when you have to actually write some code that makes user 
> accounts and logins happen in Pylons, that's when you will discover that 
> Django's "batteries included" philosophy really works for some style of 
> projects.
>
> cheers
> L.
>
> --
> The most dangerous phrase in the language is, "We've always done it this 
> way."
>
> - Grace Hopper
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 15:52, James Bennett 
> > wrote:
>
> Python is a programming language. You can use it to write many types of 
> programs. For example, you can use it to write web applications (which run 
> on a web server, respond to HTTP requests, store their data in a database, 
> render HTML templates for output, etc.). But doing this from scratch would 
> require you to write many modules of Python code yourself, in order to 
> handle all the common and necessary parts of a typical web application.
>
> Django provides those things for you, already written, so that you do not 
> need to write them yourself. Instead, you can write only the things which 
> are truly unique to your specific application, and let already-written 
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Re: Django Produces Python?

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Django was born in a newsroom, and it's designed to handle that . With a 
simple command, Djangoautomatically generates a Python API based .


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Re: Django Produces Python?

[Andréas Kühne]

If you want managed hosting, all you have to do is ask if they can host
django.

You normally install django in a virtualenvironment - so as long as they
allow virtual environments you are probably good to go. Most managed
servers that can install python work with Django - Django is a pretty well
known framework.

If you are not leaning towards a managed environment all you need is a
linux installation on the server - it's easiest to install on linux, but
can be done in windows as well.

Regards,

Andréas

2017-03-26 17:23 GMT+02:00 Ed Sutherland :

> I now understand the purpose and worth of Django. What, then, are the
> questions I need to ask potential hosts? I'm leaning toward Linode, but
> would also like affordable managed hosting.
>
>
>
>
>
>  On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 04:16:52 -0400 Lachlan Musicman
> wrote 
>
> If you take James' answer and expand it a little, take a look at a Python
> micro-framework like Pylons http://pylonsproject.org/
>
> It's smaller than Django and is a useful tool for a different type of
> website.
>
> For instance take Authentication and Authorization - logins. Not every
> site needs one. Django has it by default. If you don't need it, maybe
> Pylons is a better fit.
>
> But be aware - when you have to actually write some code that makes user
> accounts and logins happen in Pylons, that's when you will discover that
> Django's "batteries included" philosophy really works for some style of
> projects.
>
> cheers
> L.
>
> --
> The most dangerous phrase in the language is, "We've always done it this
> way."
>
> - Grace Hopper
>
> On 26 March 2017 at 15:52, James Bennett  wrote:
>
> Python is a programming language. You can use it to write many types of
> programs. For example, you can use it to write web applications (which run
> on a web server, respond to HTTP requests, store their data in a database,
> render HTML templates for output, etc.). But doing this from scratch would
> require you to write many modules of Python code yourself, in order to
> handle all the common and necessary parts of a typical web application.
>
> Django provides those things for you, already written, so that you do not
> need to write them yourself. Instead, you can write only the things which
> are truly unique to your specific application, and let already-written
> modules from Django handle the rest.
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Re: Django Produces Python?

[Ed Sutherland]

I now understand the purpose and worth of Django. What, then, are 
the questions I need to ask potential hosts? I'm leaning toward Linode, but 
would also like affordable managed hosting. On Sun, 26 Mar 2017 04:16:52 
-0400  Lachlan Musicman wrote If you take James' answer 
and expand it a little, take a look at a Python micro-framework like Pylons 
http://pylonsproject.org/It's smaller than Django and is a useful tool for a 
different type of website.For instance take Authentication and Authorization - 
logins. Not every site needs one. Django has it by default. If you don't need 
it, maybe Pylons is a better fit. But be aware - when you have to actually 
write some code that makes user accounts and logins happen in Pylons, that's 
when you will discover that Django's "batteries included" philosophy really 
works for some style of projects.cheersL.--The most dangerous phrase in the 
language is, "We've always done it this way."- Grace Hopper On 26 March 2017 at 
15:52, James Bennett  wrote:Python is a programming 
language. You can use it to write many types of programs. For example, you can 
use it to write web applications (which run on a web server, respond to HTTP 
requests, store their data in a database, render HTML templates for output, 
etc.). But doing this from scratch would require you to write many modules of 
Python code yourself, in order to handle all the common and necessary parts of 
a typical web application.Django provides those things for you, already 
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Re: Django Produces Python?

[Antonis Christofides]

You can think of Django as just a library. We call it a "framework" because it
defines a whole way of working. Likewise, the Python standard library calls
unittest a "framework" and this is consistent, because unittest also defines a
whole way of working. But the difference between a framework and a library can
be blurred.

So when you deploy your app, you need to include the libraries on which it
depends, and Django is one of them.

Antonis Christofides
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On 03/26/2017 06:19 AM, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> Forgive me if this question is too basic, but I'm a relative newbie to
> programming frameworks. As I understand it, a framework is built to abstract
> common tasks within the native language (Python, PHP, Ruby, etc.) When
> development using a framework is complete, will the production version of the
> app still require the framework? For instance, would an app developed with
> Django need only Python, or the entire programming framework? (I haven't seen
> a suitable answer after searching.)
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Re: Django Produces Python?

[Melvyn Sopacua]

On Sunday 26 March 2017 00:46:28 Ed Sutherland wrote:
> Wow. I had thought Django as an assistant to build python 
projects. If
> I need the framework along with whatever language, it 
seems like
> immense code-bloat. What, then, is the purpose of using 
frameworks?

This article[1] sums it up quite nicely.
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[1] 
https://hackernoon.com/use-django-or-end-up-building-a-django-6cce65eb7255#.nkw8i79ww

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Re: Django Produces Python?

[Lachlan Musicman]

If you take James' answer and expand it a little, take a look at a Python
micro-framework like Pylons http://pylonsproject.org/

It's smaller than Django and is a useful tool for a different type of
website.

For instance take Authentication and Authorization - logins. Not every site
needs one. Django has it by default. If you don't need it, maybe Pylons is
a better fit.

But be aware - when you have to actually write some code that makes user
accounts and logins happen in Pylons, that's when you will discover that
Django's "batteries included" philosophy really works for some style of
projects.

cheers
L.

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On 26 March 2017 at 15:52, James Bennett  wrote:

> Python is a programming language. You can use it to write many types of
> programs. For example, you can use it to write web applications (which run
> on a web server, respond to HTTP requests, store their data in a database,
> render HTML templates for output, etc.). But doing this from scratch would
> require you to write many modules of Python code yourself, in order to
> handle all the common and necessary parts of a typical web application.
>
> Django provides those things for you, already written, so that you do not
> need to write them yourself. Instead, you can write only the things which
> are truly unique to your specific application, and let already-written
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Re: Django Produces Python?

[James Bennett]

Python is a programming language. You can use it to write many types of
programs. For example, you can use it to write web applications (which run
on a web server, respond to HTTP requests, store their data in a database,
render HTML templates for output, etc.). But doing this from scratch would
require you to write many modules of Python code yourself, in order to
handle all the common and necessary parts of a typical web application.

Django provides those things for you, already written, so that you do not
need to write them yourself. Instead, you can write only the things which
are truly unique to your specific application, and let already-written
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Re: Django Produces Python?

[François Schiettecatte]

The purpose of a framework is so that you don’t have to write it yourself.

François

> On Mar 25, 2017, at 9:46 PM, Ed Sutherland  wrote:
> 
> Wow. I had thought Django as an assistant to build python projects. If I need 
> the framework along with whatever language, it seems like immense code-bloat. 
> What, then, is the purpose of using frameworks?
> 
> 
> 
>  On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:30:45 -0400 Lachlan Musicman  
> wrote 
> 
> It will needs the Django as well. Think of them as layers - at the bottom is 
> the OS, then there is python. Django sits on Python. Your project sits on 
> Django. Can't remove a layer.
> cheers
> L.
> 
> --
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> 
> - Grace Hopper
> 
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[Ed Sutherland]

Wow. I had thought Django as an assistant to build python projects. If I need 
the framework along with whatever language, it seems like immense code-bloat. 
What, then, is the purpose of using frameworks?







 On Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:30:45 -0400 Lachlan Musicman 
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It will needs the Django as well. Think of them as layers - at the bottom is 
the OS, then there is python. Django sits on Python. Your project sits on 
Django. Can't remove a layer.


cheers


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suitable answer after searching.)











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Re: Django Produces Python?

[Lachlan Musicman]

It will needs the Django as well. Think of them as layers - at the bottom
is the OS, then there is python. Django sits on Python. Your project sits
on Django. Can't remove a layer.

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L.

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On 26 March 2017 at 14:19, Ed Sutherland  wrote:

> Forgive me if this question is too basic, but I'm a relative newbie to
> programming frameworks. As I understand it, a framework is built to
> abstract common tasks within the native language (Python, PHP, Ruby, etc.)
> When development using a framework is complete, will the production version
> of the app still require the framework? For instance, would an app
> developed with Django need only Python, or the entire programming
> framework? (I haven't seen a suitable answer after searching.)
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Django Produces Python?

[Ed Sutherland]

Forgive me if this question is too basic, but I'm a relative newbie to 
programming frameworks. As I understand it, a framework is built to abstract 
common tasks within the native language (Python, PHP, Ruby, etc.) When 
development using a framework is complete, will the production version of the 
app still require the framework? For instance, would an app developed with 
Django need only Python, or the entire programming framework? (I haven't seen a 
suitable answer after searching.)








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