Re: Django vs TurboGears
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Re: Django vs TurboGears
On 7/30/06, gabor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > what is JASON? > (or the original poster misspelled json?) http://www.json.org/ JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) is a lightweight data-interchange format. Good chance simplejson will make it to Python 2.6. -- Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django vs TurboGears
Elver Loho wrote: > >> Django doesn't use AJAX while TG uses Mochikit and JASON. > > ...and what stops you from using Mochikit and JASON with Django? It's > like saying that you can't order ice-cream at McDonald's, because it's > not part of the Happy Meal you're eating. > (after several minutes of (unsuccessfull googling)) what is JASON? (or the original poster misspelled json?) > > I'll give you a couple of reasons to use Django, which I myself found > important. > > * Caching framework. Simply awesome. > * Autogenerated admin interface is more advanced than the Turbogears > one. (Last I checked.) Still, you will have to write your own > eventually. and the project's name is MUCH cooler :-) gabor --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django vs TurboGears
On 7/29/06, Javier Nievas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Django does not use MVC model, it uses Model - View - Template (MVT) > model. It's similar, because an MVC view is like an MVT template, and > an MVC controller is like a MVT view. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller#Operation -- It's the same thing, just with a different name. But to be buzzword-compliant, let's call it an n-tier architecture! ;) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django vs TurboGears
Django does not use MVC model, it uses Model - View - Template (MVT) model. It's similar, because an MVC view is like an MVT template, and an MVC controller is like a MVT view. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django vs TurboGears
On 7/29/06, Elver Loho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ...and what stops you from using Mochikit and JASON with Django? It's > like saying that you can't order ice-cream at McDonald's, because it's > not part of the Happy Meal you're eating. Great line, Elver! I'm going to have to remember that one. :) Adrian -- Adrian Holovaty holovaty.com | djangoproject.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django vs TurboGears
On 7/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Someone of you could give me a good reason to use Django instead of TG? I could, but different people are going to be swayed by different types of reasons. Take a weekened, build a simple app in both, see which one fits your brain better. -- "May the forces of evil become confused on the way to your house." -- George Carlin --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Django vs TurboGears
On 7/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm evaluating the possibility to use Django for a project, but I have > read so many comments about Django vs TurboGears and right now I am > very confused. > I installed both of them in my system and sincerelly I found that > Django is very easy to install and getting started while TG is not so > easy. Um. Last I checked, both have very clear installation instructions. Besides, does install time really matter? > Nevertheless I hesitate to trust on the Django semplicity against the > TG complexity and I'm trying to examinate some characteristics in both > of them that interest to me. If you're comparing frameworks, you also might want to check out Zope. I've tried Zope 3 myself and found it to be horrible and very un-Pythonic, but a friend of mine has been writing web applications with Zope 2 for a very long time and says that it's much better. > Django gives you an admin environment for free while TG doesn't have > such thing and I have no idea how to create it. By writing code. Of course. To be fair, TG has Catwalk, which works as a sort of makeshift admin interface, but you'll have to write your own eventually, anyway, if it's a complicated website you're building. > TG applys the pattern MVC while Django does it in a strange way. As many have said before, it's a matter of taste :) > Django doesn't use AJAX while TG uses Mochikit and JASON. ...and what stops you from using Mochikit and JASON with Django? It's like saying that you can't order ice-cream at McDonald's, because it's not part of the Happy Meal you're eating. > Django is very compact while TG is assembled with many moduls to put > together. Well, TG is pretty much a whole lot of Open Source tools and duct tape. There are advantages to having a sort of a "guiding vision" as with Django. Then again, as many things are a matter of taste, I've found that being able to swap out bits is useful and TG is more loosely-coupled, which makes it easier. That said, I've used Django with several of its parts swapped out just fine. I'm gonna do the ultimate geek thing here and compare web frameworks to science fiction series. Django is like Babylon 5. It has a guiding vision behind it and it's very coherent, very logical, with all the 5 seasons planned up front. (Except for the slight restructuring after Bruce Boxleitner was brought in at the beginning of the 2nd season / magic-removal clean-up of Django.) But TG is a bit like Star Trek -- there might be storylines that span a couple of episodes, but that's it. Each episode is pretty much on its own and the "big picture" sort of evolves over time. No real guiding vision / grand plot. > Someone of you could give me a good reason to use Django instead of TG? Set aside a weekend and write a simple application with both. Like, say, a todo-list manager. Or if you hate having to deal with dates and times, then write a very simple blog engine. I'll give you a couple of reasons to use Django, which I myself found important. * Caching framework. Simply awesome. * Autogenerated admin interface is more advanced than the Turbogears one. (Last I checked.) Still, you will have to write your own eventually. Um. That's about it. These are its clear, technical advantages over TG -- I think everything else is just a matter of taste. I'm not really qualified to say good or bad things about either of the frameworks, really. I've used both and for the last big web application I built (an admin interface for a distributed filtering application) I pretty much rolled my own -- basically many of the components from TG, but with much of the glue and unneeded parts removed. Elver --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Django vs TurboGears
Hi all, I'm evaluating the possibility to use Django for a project, but I have read so many comments about Django vs TurboGears and right now I am very confused. I installed both of them in my system and sincerelly I found that Django is very easy to install and getting started while TG is not so easy. Nevertheless I hesitate to trust on the Django semplicity against the TG complexity and I'm trying to examinate some characteristics in both of them that interest to me. Django gives you an admin environment for free while TG doesn't have such thing and I have no idea how to create it. TG applys the pattern MVC while Django does it in a strange way. Django doesn't use AJAX while TG uses Mochikit and JASON. Django is very compact while TG is assembled with many moduls to put together. Someone of you could give me a good reason to use Django instead of TG? Thank you, jo --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
