Help in finding how to learn Django
Hi all, What is the best way to learn Django 1.5 thouroughly? I have been a .NET developer and have a really good understanding of OOP, HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. I also have an entry-level knowledge of Python. I am completely new to MVC (or MVT, in this case). I have a need to build apps with Django that provide users with features such as finding each other based on geographical distance, upload pictures and edit them online, natural language search, etc... (just to highlight that I need to know more than how to build a poll app or a simple blog). My understanding is that the entry point to learn Django is by completing the tutorial at the Django project site. Then, what? What path would you recommend? I have seen that lots of learning resources on the web target versions lower than 1.5 and I couldn't really find books on 1.5. When reading reviews on learning material on 1.4, I often see they are outdated and not really applying to 1.5. Also, I briefly looked at what it takes to deploy a Django app. Virtualenv, git, pip, etc... are all things unknown to me and it looks a bit scary for a guy used to deploy apps by uploading the compiled binaries through FTP. Help in defining a clear path to learn how to bend Django to my will would be invaluable! Thank you for your time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Help in finding how to learn Django
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/intro/ On 06/28/2013 09:49 AM, subsn...@gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, > > What is the best way to learn Django 1.5 thouroughly? I have been a > .NET developer and have a really good understanding of OOP, HTML5, CSS > and JavaScript. I also have an entry-level knowledge of Python. I am > completely new to MVC (or MVT, in this case). > > I have a need to build apps with Django that provide users with > features such as finding each other based on geographical distance, > upload pictures and edit them online, natural language search, etc... > (just to highlight that I need to know more than how to build a poll > app or a simple blog). > > My understanding is that the entry point to learn Django is by > completing the tutorial at the Django project site. Then, what? What > path would you recommend? I have seen that lots of learning resources > on the web target versions lower than 1.5 and I couldn't really find > books on 1.5. When reading reviews on learning material on 1.4, I > often see they are outdated and not really applying to 1.5. > > Also, I briefly looked at what it takes to deploy a Django app. > Virtualenv, git, pip, etc... are all things unknown to me and it looks > a bit scary for a guy used to deploy apps by uploading the compiled > binaries through FTP. > > Help in defining a clear path to learn how to bend Django to my will > would be invaluable! > > Thank you for your time. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Django users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- Kind regards, Roberto López López System Developer Parallab, Uni Computing Høyteknologisenteret, Thormøhlensgate 55 N-5008 Bergen, Norway Tel:(+47) 555 84091 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Help in finding how to learn Django
On 28/06/2013 5:49pm, subsn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, What is the best way to learn Django 1.5 thouroughly? I have been a .NET developer and have a really good understanding of OOP, HTML5, CSS and JavaScript. I also have an entry-level knowledge of Python. I am completely new to MVC (or MVT, in this case). I have a need to build apps with Django that provide users with features such as finding each other based on geographical distance, upload pictures and edit them online, natural language search, etc... (just to highlight that I need to know more than how to build a poll app or a simple blog). My understanding is that the entry point to learn Django is by completing the tutorial at the Django project site. Then, what? What path would you recommend? See if you can abstract one or more sub-sections of your planned greater project and choose the smallest or most self-contained one to start with. Your objective is to turn it into a re-usable app (or library) for all your future projects which might need it. Think in boundaries rather than technicalities. Omitting everything else, build that one. I have seen that lots of learning resources on the web target versions lower than 1.5 and I couldn't really find books on 1.5. When reading reviews on learning material on 1.4, I often see they are outdated and not really applying to 1.5. Most, if not all, books and material relating to Django 1.0 will work on all versions of Django up to 1.9. So they are still valuable. Also, I briefly looked at what it takes to deploy a Django app. Virtualenv, git, pip, etc... are all things unknown to me and it looks a bit scary for a guy used to deploy apps by uploading the compiled binaries through FTP. You have no choice. You simply have to have a repository. Git or Mercurial seem to be flavour du jour. I use Subversion but I'm old-fashioned. Deployment strategies vary so you need to figure out what suits you. I develop in Windows, commit to a Linux hosted repo and use Buildbot on the same VM to completely blow away the staging site and reconstitute it from the repo. That happens automatically on every commit. The production server gets updated manually when/as required but by scripted export from a tagged production release in the repo. It isn't scary. It is safely reproduceable. CSS and Javascript are scary. Pip is dead easy so you need to look more deeply. Python has a number of installer tools but pip seems to be the way forward. Virtualenv is necessary if you are developing in different areas. For example, if you have a "legacy" app to support you really require a "legacy" environment within which to support it. Modern developers see enough of this requirement to simply do it for all their projects so they don't have to think about it. If you only have one project you might delay Virtualenv until you need it. You will know when that time comes. Help in defining a clear path to learn how to bend Django to my will would be invaluable! M. I thought that way in the beginning. Going with the Django flow is much more productive. Welcome :) Mike Thank you for your time. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Help in finding how to learn Django
Thank you Mike. Very helpful. On Friday, June 28, 2013 9:49:20 AM UTC+2, Nico Subs wrote: > > Hi all, > > What is the best way to learn Django 1.5 thouroughly? I have been a .NET > developer and have a really good understanding of OOP, HTML5, CSS and > JavaScript. I also have an entry-level knowledge of Python. I am completely > new to MVC (or MVT, in this case). > > I have a need to build apps with Django that provide users with features > such as finding each other based on geographical distance, upload pictures > and edit them online, natural language search, etc... (just to highlight > that I need to know more than how to build a poll app or a simple blog). > > My understanding is that the entry point to learn Django is by completing > the tutorial at the Django project site. Then, what? What path would you > recommend? I have seen that lots of learning resources on the web target > versions lower than 1.5 and I couldn't really find books on 1.5. When > reading reviews on learning material on 1.4, I often see they are outdated > and not really applying to 1.5. > > Also, I briefly looked at what it takes to deploy a Django app. > Virtualenv, git, pip, etc... are all things unknown to me and it looks a > bit scary for a guy used to deploy apps by uploading the compiled binaries > through FTP. > > Help in defining a clear path to learn how to bend Django to my will would > be invaluable! > > Thank you for your time. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Help in finding how to learn Django
The best way to learn anything related to programming is by doing. Here are some great resources that teach and utilize examples. Code any examples yourself and understand how they work. Here's an order I recommend, where you can skip steps depending on your comfort level: Step 1 - Essential Python Google Python Class - covers most python you'll need and provides exercises w/ validation to help you learn https://developers.google.com/edu/python/ Lark's Guide to Python - Do a few http://lightbird.net/larks/ Step 2 - Basic Django Chapters 1 - 7 from The Django Book http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/ Getting started | Django https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/intro/ At this point you'll feel comfortable building some basic apps yourself. That makes for phenomenal practice and self-teaching. You may learn everything you need to know by getting the basics from the above steps and hacking your own apps together using references as needed. If you're an absolute programming / web development first-timer, I recommend more reading. *Code and understand the examples!* Step 3 - Core Django Chapters 8 - 12 from The Django Book http://www.djangobook.com/en/2.0/ Django By Example - Pick apps similar in nature to what you wish to accomplish http://lightbird.net/dbe2/ References: Django Documentation https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.5/ Chapters 13 - 20 Django Book Good luck - with your particular preexisting skill-set you'll probably start around Step 2. If you need more fundamental Python, go step 1. -grant On Saturday, June 29, 2013 10:07:41 AM UTC-4, Nico Subs wrote: > > Thank you Mike. Very helpful. > > On Friday, June 28, 2013 9:49:20 AM UTC+2, Nico Subs wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> What is the best way to learn Django 1.5 thouroughly? I have been a .NET >> developer and have a really good understanding of OOP, HTML5, CSS and >> JavaScript. I also have an entry-level knowledge of Python. I am completely >> new to MVC (or MVT, in this case). >> >> I have a need to build apps with Django that provide users with features >> such as finding each other based on geographical distance, upload pictures >> and edit them online, natural language search, etc... (just to highlight >> that I need to know more than how to build a poll app or a simple blog). >> >> My understanding is that the entry point to learn Django is by completing >> the tutorial at the Django project site. Then, what? What path would you >> recommend? I have seen that lots of learning resources on the web target >> versions lower than 1.5 and I couldn't really find books on 1.5. When >> reading reviews on learning material on 1.4, I often see they are outdated >> and not really applying to 1.5. >> >> Also, I briefly looked at what it takes to deploy a Django app. >> Virtualenv, git, pip, etc... are all things unknown to me and it looks a >> bit scary for a guy used to deploy apps by uploading the compiled binaries >> through FTP. >> >> Help in defining a clear path to learn how to bend Django to my will >> would be invaluable! >> >> Thank you for your time. >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Help in finding how to learn Django
Thank you for your list of things to learn Django. I had already worked through dr chucks web site and MOOC, U of Toronto first and second course at Coursera, Rice's Interactive Python also at Coursera and most of Udacity CS 101 so was getting very familiar with python. Working now through the Django book. I have Xubunto and Windows on my desktop and laptop so I went through a lot of updates and then chapters one and two on both. Working through chapter 3 this morning. One really has to wade through a lot of options and be careful of which path they are on as well as very simple things like http://127.0.0.1:8000/hello/ and not http://127.0.0.1:8000. Again, thank you. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
