Re: #django community etiquette observations
im really surprised by: 1. the attitude of "hey, i got my what i wanted, i dont mind some abuse along with it." what? honestly? i agree with the "be helpful, be nice, or be quiet" and dont think its fair to bend the rules. 2. tap-dancing around Magus- because he's the most helpful if Magus- is, in fact, the best resource in the channel (i dont dispute that he is), i would think he would hold himself or be held to a higher standard as a pillar of the community. On Feb 4, 12:05 am, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wednesday 04 Feb 2009 11:31:28 am Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > > > > there was a long flame war about this on the developer list some time > > > back. The general consensus is that Magus- is perhaps the most valuable > > > person on the channel and most of us do not mind being 'insulted' as long > > > as he solves our problems - and he does. In fact someone did a grep on > > > 'Magus-' + 'thank you' and found a zillion matches. > > > Kenneth - Please be _very_ careful about representing "the general > > consensus" of Django Developers. Just because a discussion happens on > > Django Developers, doesn't mean it's "official Django policy". You're > > not a core developer > > sorry - I did not really mean that the developers had a consensus - if what I > said implied that, it is wrong. Perhaps I could change that to: 'Most of the > people on the thread were of the opinion I expressed above'. I am neither a > core developer nor a developer at all as far as django is concerned - so any > opinion I have expressed is purely my personal opinion and my personal > reading of the discussion. > > -- > regards > KGhttp://lawgon.livejournal.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: #django community etiquette observations
On Wednesday 04 Feb 2009 11:31:28 am Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > > there was a long flame war about this on the developer list some time > > back. The general consensus is that Magus- is perhaps the most valuable > > person on the channel and most of us do not mind being 'insulted' as long > > as he solves our problems - and he does. In fact someone did a grep on > > 'Magus-' + 'thank you' and found a zillion matches. > > Kenneth - Please be _very_ careful about representing "the general > consensus" of Django Developers. Just because a discussion happens on > Django Developers, doesn't mean it's "official Django policy". You're > not a core developer sorry - I did not really mean that the developers had a consensus - if what I said implied that, it is wrong. Perhaps I could change that to: 'Most of the people on the thread were of the opinion I expressed above'. I am neither a core developer nor a developer at all as far as django is concerned - so any opinion I have expressed is purely my personal opinion and my personal reading of the discussion. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: #django community etiquette observations
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 Feb 2009 1:57:46 am sierramtns wrote: >> there are certainly other people acting as such in varying degrees, >> and i only cite Magus- because of the twitter feed and django log >> entry being available to exemplify this pattern of behavior (god help >> me if ive started a flamewar.) > > there was a long flame war about this on the developer list some time back. > The general consensus is that Magus- is perhaps the most valuable person on > the channel and most of us do not mind being 'insulted' as long as he solves > our problems - and he does. In fact someone did a grep on 'Magus-' + 'thank > you' and found a zillion matches. Kenneth - Please be _very_ careful about representing "the general consensus" of Django Developers. Just because a discussion happens on Django Developers, doesn't mean it's "official Django policy". You're not a core developer, and if you go back to the discussion you referenced, the only core developers that weighed in were Jacob, James, and myself. Jacob specifically avoided the issue of Magus's behaviour in particular. James mentioned that Magus has been quite helpful to many people. I only responded to refute your specific suggestion that any behavior, however rude, was somehow acceptable. It isn't. I will repeat what Jacob said the last time this came up. It is as true now as it was then, and it's a much better representation of "the general consensus" of the Django core developers. Quoting: """ Two things: * Basic decorum is something that we've always treasured in the Django community. This applies to the IRC channel. If you can't be polite here, there, or anywhere in our community please try to keep your mouth shut. I don't particularly care to argue about whether Magus crossed any lines or not; I trust him to not take this callout *too* personally, and I trust that we can all try to strike a kinder tone in IRC in the future. * Basic decorum *also* dictates that if you have a personal problem with someone you try to solve it with them, privately. Talking to me or another maintainer -- again, privately -- is the second step. Calling someone else out publically is a move of last resort, and one that should be avoided at all costs. """ Yours, Russ Magee %-) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: #django community etiquette observations
On Feb 4, 12:37 am, Israel Dacanay Canasa wrote: > Yup, just don't mind getting insulted. Since Magus is helping a lot of > people, the least others can do in return is to make him feel good. > > ^:)^ to Magus > > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > > > > On Wednesday 04 Feb 2009 1:57:46 am sierramtns wrote: > > > there are certainly other people acting as such in varying degrees, > > > and i only cite Magus- because of the twitter feed and django log > > > entry being available to exemplify this pattern of behavior (god help > > > me if ive started a flamewar.) > > > there was a long flame war about this on the developer list some time back. > > The general consensus is that Magus- is perhaps the most valuable person on > > the channel and most of us do not mind being 'insulted' as long as he > > solves > > our problems - and he does. In fact someone did a grep on 'Magus-' + 'thank > > you' and found a zillion matches. > > > -- > > regards > > KG > >http://lawgon.livejournal.com I'd like to remind everyone of the more important point of that thread (IMO), a public forum is a really bad way to handle personal issues, especially with OPs. If you have an issue, email someone like Jacob. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: #django community etiquette observations
Yup, just don't mind getting insulted. Since Magus is helping a lot of people, the least others can do in return is to make him feel good. ^:)^ to Magus On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > On Wednesday 04 Feb 2009 1:57:46 am sierramtns wrote: > > there are certainly other people acting as such in varying degrees, > > and i only cite Magus- because of the twitter feed and django log > > entry being available to exemplify this pattern of behavior (god help > > me if ive started a flamewar.) > > there was a long flame war about this on the developer list some time back. > The general consensus is that Magus- is perhaps the most valuable person on > the channel and most of us do not mind being 'insulted' as long as he > solves > our problems - and he does. In fact someone did a grep on 'Magus-' + 'thank > you' and found a zillion matches. > > -- > regards > KG > http://lawgon.livejournal.com > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: #django community etiquette observations
On Wednesday 04 Feb 2009 1:57:46 am sierramtns wrote: > there are certainly other people acting as such in varying degrees, > and i only cite Magus- because of the twitter feed and django log > entry being available to exemplify this pattern of behavior (god help > me if ive started a flamewar.) there was a long flame war about this on the developer list some time back. The general consensus is that Magus- is perhaps the most valuable person on the channel and most of us do not mind being 'insulted' as long as he solves our problems - and he does. In fact someone did a grep on 'Magus-' + 'thank you' and found a zillion matches. -- regards KG http://lawgon.livejournal.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django users" group. To post to this group, send email to django-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to django-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/django-users?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
