Re: Need help getting the company I work for to go with django

2009-09-01 Thread Sam Lai

2009/9/2 Kenneth Gonsalves :
>
> On Tuesday 01 Sep 2009 10:55:18 pm mrsource wrote:
>> - It has many tools for safety, with a normal opensource CMS you have
>> many more issues with security holes because all the code is public.
>
> this is sheer FUD to say that 'many more issues with security holes because
> all the code is public.' Openssl code is public, linux code is public, apache
> code is public ... does one have many more issues with security holes???

That was my first thought, but I think he means that unlike standard
PHP, you don't have to place your django files in /var/www, where bad
configuration might expose your code. But still, bad argument.

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Re: Need help getting the company I work for to go with django

2009-09-01 Thread Mike Ramirez
On Tuesday 01 September 2009 10:25:18 am mrsource wrote:
> Two points:
> - Django has good performance and scales well.
> - It has many tools for safety, with a normal opensource CMS you have
> many more issues with security holes because all the code is public.
>

Isn't django's code public, why would you use it if this is the case? 

Seriously man, security holes aren't there because it's public, it's because 
the programmers made a mistake, not because of how it is distributed, 
private/propietary code could be just as insecure or secure as open sourced 
code, open source just has the advantage of that many more eyes pouring over 
it closing those holes. 

Now to answer the question, you should convince them of it because of the 
scalability and the rapid application development environment django helps 
create.  It's orm is also a big selling point, people I know who love sql, 
tend to fall in love with the orm.  

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Re: Need help getting the company I work for to go with django

2009-09-01 Thread Kenneth Gonsalves

On Tuesday 01 Sep 2009 10:55:18 pm mrsource wrote:
> - It has many tools for safety, with a normal opensource CMS you have
> many more issues with security holes because all the code is public.

this is sheer FUD to say that 'many more issues with security holes because 
all the code is public.' Openssl code is public, linux code is public, apache 
code is public ... does one have many more issues with security holes???
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Re: Need help getting the company I work for to go with django

2009-09-01 Thread Tim Chase

> I work as a web developer at a reasonably large company in London. We
> are just about to completely re brand and rebuild the companies website
> (s) and implement a CMS.  I'm having a meeting tomorrow to discuss
> different avenues we can go down in regards to what technologies we
> can use.  I'm hoping to steer them towards Django!
> 
> If you were me how would you sell Django to fellow developers and
> business (non-techies) people??
> 
> P.S. I know django isn't a CMS. I want to build a custom one using it.

Convenient that, as I started typing a response, I saw this

http://sunlightlabs.com/blog/2008/cool-project-what-cms-did-you-guys-use/

fly by on my RSS feed from the Django aggregator which pretty 
much provides tangible data to my response:  with a CMS, you get 
a CMS; with Django, you can easily make a CMS, but then add all 
sorts of features that would be far harder to tack onto something 
like Drupal.  If your choice of CMS does _exactly_ what you want, 
and you don't see needing to readily bend it to your will, then 
go with your CMS.  But if you foresee customizing it, adding your 
own flair, then Django is my recommendation.

-tim




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Re: Need help getting the company I work for to go with django

2009-09-01 Thread mrsource

Two points:
- Django has good performance and scales well.
- It has many tools for safety, with a normal opensource CMS you have
many more issues with security holes because all the code is public.

On 1 Set, 18:52, "Rob B (uk)"  wrote:
> I work as a web developer at a reasonably large company in London. We
> are just about to completely re brand and rebuild the companies website
> (s) and implement a CMS.  I'm having a meeting tomorrow to discuss
> different avenues we can go down in regards to what technologies we
> can use.  I'm hoping to steer them towards Django!
>
> If you were me how would you sell Django to fellow developers and
> business (non-techies) people??
>
> The CMS will need to cope with million+ hits a month & have
> multilingual support.
>
> P.S. I know django isn't a CMS. I want to build a custom one using it.
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