Re: Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-11 Thread Andreas Kuhne 
You will get issues with some of the third-party plugins. For example
getting mysql to work, requires that you use the oracle plugin and not the
commonly used mysqldb plugin. Also south and django-storages require
patching for them to work.

We are rewriting our webpage and upgrading all dependencies including
upgrading to python 3. I'm not sure that it is worth the effort yet. You do
have to do alot of extra work just det get all dependencies working.

Regards,

Andréas

2014-08-09 15:58 GMT+02:00 François Schiettecatte 
:

> I would go with Python 3, string handling is much better and the library
> layout is a little more rational. I am stuck with 2.7 for the websites I
> develop but I have been using 3 for the attending scripts with no issues.
> If you do decide to go with 2.7 I would add the following to each file to
> make sure that a future migration to 3 is as painless as possible.
>
> from __future__ import print_function
> from __future__ import unicode_literals
> from __future__ import absolute_import
> from __future__ import division
>
>
> François
>
> On Aug 9, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Ari Davidow  wrote:
>
> > If I stick to Python 2.7, I start off with a host of Unicode issues--not
> a promising way to start a site that relies on Unicode, Middle Eastern
> character sets, and bidi functionality. I hate the last-century, Python 2
> ways of dealing with those. That makes no sense, barring something more
> compelling than the statement, "stick to python 2.7".
> >
> > ari
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:09 AM, ngangsia akumbo 
> wrote:
> > stick to python 2.7
> >
> > collins anderson can i meet u on skype? mine is
> >
> > skype:  ngangsi.richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Friday, August 8, 2014 11:53:30 PM UTC+1, Collin Anderson wrote:
> > I'd start with 1.7 as it should be more friendly to newcomers. There
> will be another release candidate soon and the final version should be out
> in about a month.
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Re: Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-09 Thread François Schiettecatte 
I would go with Python 3, string handling is much better and the library layout 
is a little more rational. I am stuck with 2.7 for the websites I develop but I 
have been using 3 for the attending scripts with no issues. If you do decide to 
go with 2.7 I would add the following to each file to make sure that a future 
migration to 3 is as painless as possible.

from __future__ import print_function
from __future__ import unicode_literals
from __future__ import absolute_import
from __future__ import division


François

On Aug 9, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Ari Davidow  wrote:

> If I stick to Python 2.7, I start off with a host of Unicode issues--not a 
> promising way to start a site that relies on Unicode, Middle Eastern 
> character sets, and bidi functionality. I hate the last-century, Python 2 
> ways of dealing with those. That makes no sense, barring something more 
> compelling than the statement, "stick to python 2.7".
> 
> ari
> 
> 
> On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:09 AM, ngangsia akumbo  wrote:
> stick to python 2.7
> 
> collins anderson can i meet u on skype? mine is 
> 
> skype:  ngangsi.richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, August 8, 2014 11:53:30 PM UTC+1, Collin Anderson wrote:
> I'd start with 1.7 as it should be more friendly to newcomers. There will be 
> another release candidate soon and the final version should be out in about a 
> month.
> 
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Re: Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-09 Thread Ari Davidow 
If I stick to Python 2.7, I start off with a host of Unicode issues--not a
promising way to start a site that relies on Unicode, Middle Eastern
character sets, and bidi functionality. I hate the last-century, Python 2
ways of dealing with those. That makes no sense, barring something more
compelling than the statement, "stick to python 2.7".

ari


On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 4:09 AM, ngangsia akumbo  wrote:

> stick to python 2.7
>
> collins anderson can i meet u on skype? mine is
>
> skype:  ngangsi.richard
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 8, 2014 11:53:30 PM UTC+1, Collin Anderson wrote:
>>
>> I'd start with 1.7 as it should be more friendly to newcomers. There will
>> be another release candidate soon and the final version should be out in
>> about a month.
>>
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Re: Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-09 Thread ngangsia akumbo 
stick to python 2.7

collins anderson can i meet u on skype? mine is 

skype:  ngangsi.richard



On Friday, August 8, 2014 11:53:30 PM UTC+1, Collin Anderson wrote:
>
> I'd start with 1.7 as it should be more friendly to newcomers. There will 
> be another release candidate soon and the final version should be out in 
> about a month.
>

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Re: Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-08 Thread Collin Anderson 
I'd start with 1.7 as it should be more friendly to newcomers. There will 
be another release candidate soon and the final version should be out in 
about a month.

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Re: Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-08 Thread Ari Davidow 
Belay the part of the post that asks about Python 2 vs Python 3 tutorial.
Had not yet found https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/1.7/intro/tutorial01/
which is the same tutorial, but written for Python 2.

Still curious about learning 1.6 and transferring to 1.7, or jumping into
the water now and saving some migration in six months or a year.

ari


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Ari Davidow  wrote:

> I am new to Django, and relatively new to (well, re-learning) python.
>
> I am working on a website that requires a lot of bidirectional type.
> Sanity suggests that starting this off with Python 3 and all the built in
> Unicode sanity makes sense.
>
> The online tutorials assume Python 2. Are there equivalent tutorials for
> Python 3, and/or some explanation of where to pay attention to things that
> will be different in the context of what I'll encounter learning Django?
>
> Normally, I would use the existing production version of something--Django
> 1.6 in this case. Is there any reason to include the release candidate of
> 1.7 as part of my juggling learning and creating this site?
>
> Thanks,
> ari
>

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Starting with Python 3 and Django 1.x?

2014-08-08 Thread Ari Davidow 
I am new to Django, and relatively new to (well, re-learning) python.

I am working on a website that requires a lot of bidirectional type. Sanity
suggests that starting this off with Python 3 and all the built in Unicode
sanity makes sense.

The online tutorials assume Python 2. Are there equivalent tutorials for
Python 3, and/or some explanation of where to pay attention to things that
will be different in the context of what I'll encounter learning Django?

Normally, I would use the existing production version of something--Django
1.6 in this case. Is there any reason to include the release candidate of
1.7 as part of my juggling learning and creating this site?

Thanks,
ari

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