Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 11, Issue 39
Aitor, You should not need to use isohybrid, as the image is already a hybrid using syslinux for legacy bios systems and grub for uefi enabled systems. I have used both successfully. Regards, Daniel On 13/08/15 19:11, aitor_czr wrote: I have not been able to use UnetBootin with the latest versions. Like Daniel, i suspect these may be related to using UnetBootin. Try with dd command: dd if=*.iso of=/dev/sdX (without the number of the partition, for example, sdb instead of sdb1) Type fdisk -l to get sdX. Just in case, first do it hybrid: isohybrid devuan*.iso You need to install syslinux and syslinux-utils. Aitor. El 13/08/15 a las 01:37, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org escribió: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:37:57 +1200 From: Daniel Reurichdan...@centurion.net.nz To: Haines Brownhai...@histomat.net,dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] alpha 2 ISO missing parameter Message-ID:55cbbcb5.7060...@centurion.net.nz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi Haines, On 13/08/15 01:22, Haines Brown wrote: I downloaded Alpha 2 and placed it on a USB key with unetbootin. Why didn't you just use dd (or even cat) to just dump the iso onto the usbstick. When I boot a Thinkpad x250 with Alpha 2 iso, it comes up with Missing parameter error. However, when I provide Install at the Boot: prompt, it boots to the installer. However, on a i386 desktop machine for which I would really like to install devuan, booting the key comes up with Missing parameter in configuration file: Keyword: path. In this case, there is no Boot: prompt. I don't understand these messages or if they are compatible. I suspect these may be related to using unetbootin instead of just using dd to write the image to your usb stick. If doing this doesn't solve the issue, then please file an issue here: https://git.devuan.org/d-i/debian-installer/issues Thanks, Daniel ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Daniel Reurich Centurion Computer Technology (2005) Ltd. 021 797 722 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 11, Issue 39
I have not been able to use UnetBootin with the latest versions. Like Daniel, i suspect these may be related to using UnetBootin. Try with dd command: dd if=*.iso of=/dev/sdX (without the number of the partition, for example, sdb instead of sdb1) Type fdisk -l to get sdX. Just in case, first do it hybrid: isohybrid devuan*.iso You need to install syslinux and syslinux-utils. Aitor. El 13/08/15 a las 01:37, dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org escribió: Message: 5 Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 09:37:57 +1200 From: Daniel Reurichdan...@centurion.net.nz To: Haines Brownhai...@histomat.net,dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] alpha 2 ISO missing parameter Message-ID:55cbbcb5.7060...@centurion.net.nz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi Haines, On 13/08/15 01:22, Haines Brown wrote: I downloaded Alpha 2 and placed it on a USB key with unetbootin. Why didn't you just use dd (or even cat) to just dump the iso onto the usbstick. When I boot a Thinkpad x250 with Alpha 2 iso, it comes up with Missing parameter error. However, when I provide Install at the Boot: prompt, it boots to the installer. However, on a i386 desktop machine for which I would really like to install devuan, booting the key comes up with Missing parameter in configuration file: Keyword: path. In this case, there is no Boot: prompt. I don't understand these messages or if they are compatible. I suspect these may be related to using unetbootin instead of just using dd to write the image to your usb stick. If doing this doesn't solve the issue, then please file an issue here: https://git.devuan.org/d-i/debian-installer/issues Thanks, Daniel ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Reply-To:
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:01:14 -0400 Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net, To:dng@lists.dyne.org, Cc:Bcc:@tupac2.dyne.org wrote: What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do I get rid of it? How do I get rid of the gui login (xdm, gdm, kdm etc not installed) so that I can run the machine from console without X system? Hi Haines, You can find out what Display Manager you're running by doing this: ps axjf | less The display manager runs the windowmanager/desktopenvironment, which runs a bunch of other stuff. Once you find the name of the display manager, I would think you could simply apt-get remove it. If that doesn't work, you can always sabotage it by renaming it or something. I do that all the time. By the way, before you uninstall or sabotage the display manager, make sure your init system gives you adequate ttys. Assuming you're using sysvinit, this is done in /etc/inittab, toward the end. Once you're safely booting to CLI on a virtual terminal, you can create or edit ~/.xinitrc to declare your window manager starter program. For instance, here's mine: = #exec /home/slitt/dwm-6.0/dwm #exec /usr/bin/startlxde #exec /usr/bin/lxpanel xrandr --output default --mode 1920x1080 exec /usr/bin/openbox-session #exec /usr/bin/xfce4-session #exec /usr/bin/fvwm = As you can see, from time to time I change my windowmanager. That xrandr is a workaround to an exotic Debian Wheezy video problem, and you can safely ignore it. SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan
I don't know, i'm in devuan jessie :) El 13/08/15 a las 19:01, Riccardo Boninsegna escribió: Il 13/ago/2015 06:55 PM, aitor_czr aitor_...@gnuinos.org mailto:aitor_...@gnuinos.org ha scritto: libcupsimage2 : Depende: libcups2 (= 1.7.5-11) pero 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 va a ser instalado Does Debian have the same problem? Last time I used my computer about a week ago I fully updated Devuan Ascii with no issue, but the version numbers suggest that we haven't picked up an update for the main package yet... or that a Debian packager messed up! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Reply-To:
Il 13/ago/2015 07:01 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: Nevertheless, in spite of that when I reboot I'm taken to a graphical log in screen and then to some kind of desktop environment. Xfce4 is not installed. What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do I get rid of it? How do I get rid of the gui login (xdm, gdm, kdm etc not installed) so that I can run the machine from console without X system? You're sure you have no x-display-manager (virtual package) installed? (Maybe you accidentally didn't deselect Devuan desktop environment even though you deselected Xfce, or some creative Recommends: installed it with Openbox/something unrelated!) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan
Recently i communicated that okular wasn't possible to be installed in devuan (i can't remember the architecture). Trying to install evince and gimp in amd64 (but not in i386!) i'm with the same problem: Los siguientes paquetes tienen dependencias incumplidas: libcupsimage2 : Depende: libcups2 (= 1.7.5-11) pero 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 va a ser instalado Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Reply-To:
www.historicalMaterialism.info I installed Alpha 2 jessie in expert mode so that I could avoid installing a desktop environment. In package selection, I deselect a desktop environment. When installation finished I install fluxbox and use # update-alternatives --config x-window-manager to select fluxbox manual. Nevertheless, in spite of that when I reboot I'm taken to a graphical log in screen and then to some kind of desktop environment. Xfce4 is not installed. What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do I get rid of it? How do I get rid of the gui login (xdm, gdm, kdm etc not installed) so that I can run the machine from console without X system? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan
Il 13/ago/2015 06:55 PM, aitor_czr aitor_...@gnuinos.org ha scritto: libcupsimage2 : Depende: libcups2 (= 1.7.5-11) pero 1.7.5-11+deb8u1 va a ser instalado Does Debian have the same problem? Last time I used my computer about a week ago I fully updated Devuan Ascii with no issue, but the version numbers suggest that we haven't picked up an update for the main package yet... or that a Debian packager messed up! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Evince, gimp and okular in devuan
Il 13/ago/2015 07:04 PM, aitor_czr aitor_...@gnuinos.org ha scritto: I don't know, i'm in devuan jessie :) Looks like you don't have the Debian Security repos enabled (deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie-updates main #contrib non-free), which at the moment don't have a Devuan equivalent for all I know Yes, this means an update could install systemd, but it's one of the cases where always pays to not blindly agree to update confirmations... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] which alpha2?
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 04:17:55PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 03:36:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: (1) I plan to dd an iso to a usb stick and boot from there. Does the iso need to be modified in some way to boot from a USB stick? The valentine alpha did. I just dd's that alpha2 to stick and it worked. I also was worried whether the iso is hybrid. Apparently it is. Good. Which one did you use? devuan-jessie-netboot-i386-alpha2.iso from http://files.devuan.org/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan and upstream
As someone who's background is in Slackware, I know where automatic package dependency resolution has its good points and bad points. Pkgtools is very basic. Everything is left to the system administrator to resolve, but SlackBuilds.org offered a solution. It allows packages to have certain triggers like WITH_JPEG=yes ./name.SlackBuild, but sbotools took it farther by scripting everything to work off the README, .info files, and the build scripts to resolve things at a controllable level without things getting complicated. Very akin to CRUX's and BSD's ports. Devuan should follow the Debian methodology, but equally it should forge it's own path away from Debian. It doesn't need to draw from any other distribution like Funtoo, CRUX, Slackware, or anything other distributions, other than seeing what people are using and in need of. The wants will be many, but what users need will matter most of all. Devuan should be Devuan. That's all I can say on that for now. -Jim From: T.J. Duchenemailto:t.j.duch...@gmail.com Sent: 8/13/2015 1:06 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.orgmailto:dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: [DNG] Devuan and upstream Everyone of course is welcome to comment but the question is really for the Devuan team.Is the general plan is just to copy Debian, or are there plans to make more changes than just systemd? Debian APT is an example. It's a good manager, but it falls short in some key areas that are not unreasonable to ask from a package manager. 1. You can't mark a package as Do not install. APT simply does not give you the option. Heaven knows, there are a lot of people who dislike things like network- manager, and do not them to install for any reason. Someone might say - wait you can put a hold on packages. That's true, but that does not stop packages from being installed. It only says which version is preferred. There is no option for none. You can block packages with APT pinning, but using pinning is very esoteric. 2. Whenever an update has bug, you cannot rollback to the previous version of the package. It is always assumed that the latest version is correct. In the real world, we know that is not always true. The reason I am asking is that Debian clearly has no plans to fix any of these problems. They've been around for a decade or more. I wonder if Devuan does have any plans to correct Debian's shortcomings, regardless of what upstream does? For myself, before I'd consider spending the effort to look at ways of fixing some things, I'd want to know that those efforts would be received or if they would go against the overall plan of absolutely remaining compatible with Devian upstream. For example, mentioning the problems above - if Devuan intends to eventually break away from Debian, then redesigning the packaging process would be the way to go, because you could handle rollbacks and other concerns. If Devuan plans to remain as close to Debian as possible, then perhaps a GUI attached to synaptic to simplify pinning for the average user might be in order instead. I'd just like to get some idea of what contributions to Devuan might be made in the future. T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment
Il 13/ago/2015 10:21 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: I guess I'll just try to reinstall. I initially tried to install testing/ascii, but couldn't complete install software. So I retreated to jessie, and had the same problem, but after choosing not to install CUPS (and no desktop manager), I finally succeeded but for the problem under discussion. When I redo, I'll repartition and not use the default partitioning scheme. I'll report on my success. Now I understand: you went through Install the base system (if not more, most likely given the issue is with Xfce), then went back to choose a mirror to switch releases, then back again to base system/package manager/install software without going back to partitioning to reformat root? That's where it went wrong, then: install the base system blindly overwrites dpkg's status file with one matching the debootstrap that happens for the most of that step (before it says to select a kernel package)! There is a warning if you install the base system on a non-empty partition but it's easy to miss if you went through partitioning again without reformatting, as it immediately follows warnings such as saving the partition table and complaining about not using a swap partition! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 01:57:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:01:14 -0400 Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net, To:dng@lists.dyne.org, Cc:Bcc:@tupac2.dyne.org wrote: What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do I get rid of it? How do I get rid of the gui login (xdm, gdm, kdm etc not installed) so that I can run the machine from console without X system? Hi Haines, You can find out what Display Manager you're running by doing this: ps axjf | less I tries this and was unsure how to identify a display manager. I found xdg/xfce4/xinitrc xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session xfce4-panel thunar Aptitude tells me that xfce4 and these specific utilities are not installed. I do # ps -axjf | grep power-manager, and it seems to say that it is running: 1 2905 2905 2905 ? -l Ssl 1000 0:00 xfce4-power-manager I do # dpkg -l | grep power-manager, and it is not present. Likewise for xfce4. # aptitude update did not change anything. However, # which xfce4-power-manager tells me it is in /usr/bin. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [rboninsegna2+dev...@gmail.com: Re: Alpha2 without desktop environment]
- Forwarded message from Riccardo Boninsegna rboninsegna2+dev...@gmail.com - Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2015 22:02:13 +0200 From: Riccardo Boninsegna rboninsegna2+dev...@gmail.com To: Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net Cc: Dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment Il 13/ago/2015 09:48 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: # which xfce4-power-manager /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager # dpkg -S /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager dpkg-querry: no path found matching patter /usr/bin/xcfe4-power-manager So it's not in a package... Unless you installed over an existing root (without reformatting), deliberately installed Xfce without using a package, or one of dpkg's database files is corrupted in a very weird way, I honestly don't have an idea of this happened... I guess I'll just try to reinstall. I initially tried to install testing/ascii, but couldn't complete install software. So I retreated to jessie, and had the same problem, but after choosing not to install CUPS (and no desktop manager), I finally succeeded but for the problem under discussion. When I redo, I'll repartition and not use the default partitioning scheme. I'll report on my success. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment
Il 13/ago/2015 09:16 PM, Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net ha scritto: However, # which xfce4-power-manager tells me it is in /usr/bin. The next step would be ‘dpkg -S /usr/bin/xfce4-power-manager’ to check if it belongs to some weird package... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Install Devuan without network/WIFI access
I am trying to figure out how I should go to install Devuan without having network access. I remember I had serious problems installing Debian as none of the network interfaces was recognized. This also includes WIFI. The reason for prefering to use debootstrap is lack of network recognition during the installation. Which file should I download for Intel hardware 64 bit? Thanks ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Alpha2 without desktop environment
On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 15:16:21 -0400 Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 01:57:58PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 13 Aug 2015 13:01:14 -0400 Haines Brown hai...@histomat.net, To:dng@lists.dyne.org, Cc:Bcc:@tupac2.dyne.org wrote: What is this environment (it has a chartreuse background), and how do I get rid of it? How do I get rid of the gui login (xdm, gdm, kdm etc not installed) so that I can run the machine from console without X system? Hi Haines, You can find out what Display Manager you're running by doing this: ps axjf | less I tries this and was unsure how to identify a display manager. I found xdg/xfce4/xinitrc xfce4-power-manager xfce4-session xfce4-panel thunar Aptitude tells me that xfce4 and these specific utilities are not installed. I suspect that aptitude is wrong, or you are interpreting it wrong. But anyway... Rereading your original post: Do you want to not have a Display Manager such as lightdm, kdm, gdm etc, or do you want your computer not to have X at all? If the latter, just deinstall X. If the former, you need to find your display manager, based on ps axjf. Here's my ps axjf for a Lubuntu Qemu VM http://paste.ubuntu.com/12074236 Notice that there's no mention of xinit or startx, so it's safe to assume that X got run automatically. Looking at the ps axjf output, you see that the parent of X is lightdm, which is a known display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm are three other known display managers. So, if I wanted my Lubuntu to boot to CLI, I'd theoretically need to do two things: 1) Check for useable virtual terminals, and get init to make one if none. 2) Disable lightdm That used to work, but not in the brave new world. Systemd infested Lubuntu 15.04 simply spins forever if you rename /usr/sbin/lightdm. Now I ask you, if you were putting out a distro, is there any mistake for which you response would be to spin forever with no messages? Me neither. I finally got it to boot to CLI by removing lightdm* and plymouth, but then, after setting .xinitrc, startx produces a blank screen. Well, I could have gone on and on debugging this thing, but so many complexities, so little time. Anyway, luckily for you, you're on Devuan with sysvinit, so I'm pretty sure almost any way that you could disable plymouth and lightdm would bring you to CLI, from which you could run startx which would work with a properly configured ~/.xinitrc. HTH, SteveT Steve Litt August 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting: Just the Facts http://www.troubleshooters.com/tjust ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan and upstream
Everyone of course is welcome to comment but the question is really for the Devuan team.Is the general plan is just to copy Debian, or are there plans to make more changes than just systemd? Debian APT is an example. It's a good manager, but it falls short in some key areas that are not unreasonable to ask from a package manager. 1. You can't mark a package as Do not install. APT simply does not give you the option. Heaven knows, there are a lot of people who dislike things like network- manager, and do not them to install for any reason. Someone might say - wait you can put a hold on packages. That's true, but that does not stop packages from being installed. It only says which version is preferred. There is no option for none. You can block packages with APT pinning, but using pinning is very esoteric. 2. Whenever an update has bug, you cannot rollback to the previous version of the package. It is always assumed that the latest version is correct. In the real world, we know that is not always true. The reason I am asking is that Debian clearly has no plans to fix any of these problems. They've been around for a decade or more. I wonder if Devuan does have any plans to correct Debian's shortcomings, regardless of what upstream does? For myself, before I'd consider spending the effort to look at ways of fixing some things, I'd want to know that those efforts would be received or if they would go against the overall plan of absolutely remaining compatible with Devian upstream. For example, mentioning the problems above - if Devuan intends to eventually break away from Debian, then redesigning the packaging process would be the way to go, because you could handle rollbacks and other concerns. If Devuan plans to remain as close to Debian as possible, then perhaps a GUI attached to synaptic to simplify pinning for the average user might be in order instead. I'd just like to get some idea of what contributions to Devuan might be made in the future. T.J. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] which alpha2?
I'm planning to install devuan aloha2 to see how it works out. I have a laptop with a 32-bit Intel processor. I'm going to sacrifice Windows; I no longer need it. If Devuan doesn't take care of my essentials, I may later install Debian temporarily in a dual boot scenario. (1) I plan to dd an iso to a usb stick and boot from there. Does the iso need to be modified in some way to boot from a USB stick? The valentine alpha did. (2) There are two obvious files on files.devian.org: devuan-jessie-i386-alpha2-netboot-auto.iso devuan-jessie-netboot-i386-alpha2.iso Apart from a different order of words (which I hope is immaterial), one of them is 'auto'. What does this mean? Which am I likely to need? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] which alpha2?
On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 03:54:24PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 03:36:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: (1) I plan to dd an iso to a usb stick and boot from there. Does the iso need to be modified in some way to boot from a USB stick? The valentine alpha did. I just dd's that alpha2 to stick and it worked. I also was worried whether the iso is hybrid. Apparently it is. Good. Which one did you use? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
