Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.
Edward, Do you realize you have been consuming a large fraction of the "bandwidth" of this mailing list for your own e-learning of the C language and of Linux OS, and for expressing your pathos about the reactions of others? This list has a lot of short-lived off-topic (or sideways) threads, which I consider interesting, your's is really long-lived and that may explain the reactions of others. As someone already told you, you might better find another list for e-learning the C language. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.
Hi, Simon Walker wrote: << Edward, you need to read a 101 computing book or a take primer in CS - and have some patience. It takes time to learn something. Don't expect so much from yourself. >> Do you realise you are not talking to a child? "101 computing" is aimed for children. << Put down those programming tools until you understand how a computer works. >> What do you mean by that? Are you addressing a computer hardware engineering student? << Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? >> You place a child at the same level as a rubber duck?! A child can understand provided any concepts used are within his/her mental age. Bring me a child whose mental ability is within the norm and we will see whether I can explain to him/her how a computer works. Although it should be unnecessary to state the obvious, a child cannot understand any concepts that are beyond his mental age. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.
On 07/18/2016 01:53 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Hi, I would like to suggest DNG mail moderators/admins to consider informing mail senders that their mail has been moved. Other email providers like Google always duly informs its users when their email fails to reach its destination and this notwithstanding the huge number of gmail users. ... I think you might want to explain what has happened a bit more. What do you mean by "their mail has been moved"? Do you know how email works? Do you know how mailing lists work? Your email reached it's destination: dng@lists.dyne.org You obviously have not read "how to be a hacker". You are pretty fortunate to have a connection to the Internet. You are pretty fortunate the Internet even exists. The only thing I am left to wonder is if you are a troll. Though, again, I should probably apply Hanlon's razor. You are whinny and ungrateful. If you are to make friends, you must show yourself friendly. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.
On 07/18/2016 02:11 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 15/07/2016 06:43, Edward Bartolo a écrit : Yes, I refrain from writing C obfuscated code. +1 It doesn't make sense with today's powerful computers not to write readable code, that is why I make an effort to write readable code. I would rather give credit to high quality compilers than powerful computers. Yup, this is where the credit belongs. Though, it could be said that large screens are powerful. Edward, you need to read a 101 computing book or a take primer in CS - and have some patience. It takes time to learn something. Don't expect so much from yourself. Put down those programming tools until you understand how a computer works. It will make your life easier. How do you know if you know how a computer works? Can you explain how a computer works to a child or perhaps a rubber duck? We teach what we need to learn. Being intentional is what counts. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.
On Sun, 17 Jul 2016 18:53:21 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to suggest DNG mail moderators/admins to consider > informing mail senders that their mail has been moved. Other email > providers like Google always duly informs its users when their email > fails to reach its destination and this notwithstanding the huge > number of gmail users. > > It is rude to leave mail senders in the dark. This lately happened to > me. I mistakenly attributed the strange DNG behaviour to some > temporary failure, and resulted in myself sending the same email > several times. Some users got irritated by this resulting in abuse > being directed at me, although the perpetrator later said it was not > intended. Intended or not, it did add yet another nail to the coffin > of my commitment to the Devuan project. > > I am a person who takes a very long and painful time to make certain > decisions, but when I decide, it is always final. Some people will > deem this as "drama", but truly I have been considering withdrawing > from Devuan for several months. Such a decision will be followed by a > request to have my git rights removed. > > Regrettably this is the situation. Those who abuse are always > supported while I am always found to blame. This is plain > psychological abuse as it slowly erodes self confidence in one's own > perception of reality. > > Edward > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Hi Edward, I don't know exactly what happened with this mail thingy but don't let small negatives vibes spread in your mind. Many people on ML, generally, have quite strong opinion and can't keep themselves to answer, when sometimes the best path is just to ignore and go next step. It's an international list, we do not speak the same English, so give a chance to just plain misunderstanding. And when it's not misunderstanding, just ignore and go next step, life is too short! Quite OT, sorry. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install
On 07/18/2016 08:15 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): > The substitute for MySQL is MariaDB :) What you said. ;-> MariaDB is a 100% compatible workalike (binary drop-in replacement). https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/mariadb-vs-mysql-compatibility/ Same installation bug(?) with mariadb. bash /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --rpm --user=mysql --disable-log-bin 2>&1 | $ERR_LOGGER I thought it would be the case. As it is drop-in replacemen, there is not really any reason to re-write the package scripts. So I guess I should report this to two package maintainers. Thanks for reminding me of mariadb. Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)
On Sat, 7/16/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 16, 2016, 9:24 AM On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:25:58 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: >> >> Actually this is the place where slim issues are being posted. ;) >> >> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues >> >> golinux > > > Cool, I just added, at the preceding URL, the request for special login > names being enumerated on the login screen. > > SteveT > Note to anyone wanting to play with adding text to the Slim login screen . . . On my machine, the purpy slim theme is located at /usr/share/slim/themes/devuan-curve/slim.theme There is one description error # background.png is 50x50 leafy green square. It should be # background.png is 50x50 purpy square. The hex is correct. Everything entered on the panel is in pixels and absolute position. I don't know how to get it into git if I can get this working here. I'm gonna try to figure that out over the next couple of days. Or I could pass it on to someone who is already fluent in git. :) Or maybe someone else will figure it out before me. (I'm old and slow counting down to 74 in a few days . . . ) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install
Quoting aitor_czr (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): > The substitute for MySQL is MariaDB :) What you said. ;-> MariaDB is a 100% compatible workalike (binary drop-in replacement). https://mariadb.com/kb/en/mariadb/mariadb-vs-mysql-compatibility/ I'm personally also very fond of Drizzle, a cleaned-up, simplified fork: http://www.drizzle.org/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless
Quoting Dragan FOSS (dragan.f...@gmx.com): > >The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been > >'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less > >systems. That's absolutely not harmless. > > So, why not remove it? ;> > TRIOS == excellence in simplicity :) Very nice! Thanks for offering that. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless
Quoting Rainer Weikusat (rweiku...@talktalk.net): > The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been > 'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less > systems. That's absolutely not harmless. Your implied concept of 'purpose' is IMO a bit problematically abstract and teleological for my taste. What I find more connected to the real world, clearer in reference to my experience, is the concept of _function_, i.e., what things do. As has been abundantly documented, without systemd itself present, /lib/[$ARCH]/libsystemd.so.0 does basically nothing at all, as it cannot do anything. (I'd rather have it gone, and have suggested some ways to do so, which should be tested before use on production systems.) If you insist on talking, by contrast, about 'purpose', I'd say that the purpose of every piece of software on my server is to support my and my users' computing. The codebases are of course severely imperfect at that, because code is imperfect. If you disagree and think they have different purposes, I'll just stoutly assert that it's because you hew to a different religion, while I profess Me-ism. ;-> Be careful where attribution of 'purpose' to code takes you: [rick@linuxmafia] ~ $ ldd $(which ssh) linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb77b) libresolv.so.2 => /lib/i686/cmov/libresolv.so.2 (0xb7736000) libcrypto.so.0.9.8 => /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.8 (0xb75de000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb75da000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb75c6000) libgssapi_krb5.so.2 => /usr/lib/libgssapi_krb5.so.2 (0xb7597000) libc.so.6 => /lib/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 (0xb745) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0xb77b1000) libkrb5.so.3 => /usr/lib/libkrb5.so.3 (0xb739e000) libk5crypto.so.3 => /usr/lib/libk5crypto.so.3 (0xb737b000) libcom_err.so.2 => /lib/libcom_err.so.2 (0xb7378000) libkrb5support.so.0 => /usr/lib/libkrb5support.so.0 (0xb7371000) libkeyutils.so.1 => /lib/libkeyutils.so.1 (0xb736d000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0 (0xb7354000) [rick@linuxmafia] ~ $ Is the 'purpose' of /usr/bin/ssh being dependent on sonames libgssapi_krb5.so.2 and libkrb5.so.3 on my Kerberos-less server to enable packages whose code has been 'enhanced' with spurious Kerberos dependencies to work on Kerberos-less systems? Is the 'purpose' of /usr/bin/ssh being dependent on soname the enabling of packages whose code has been 'enhanced' with spurious kernel keyutils key-retention functions to work on keyutils-less systems? It's all bit high-flown for me, and a bit too much like theology. Personally, I would rather just be concerned with what things _do_. And, of course, with process: In my experience, packagers often build into dynamic binaries calls to libraries that somebody, somewhere _might_ use. E.g., I doubt that the packager of /usr/bin/ssh is a secret agent attempting to sneak Kerberos into everyone's computing. But you knew all that, right? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless
The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been 'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less systems. That's absolutely not harmless. So, why not remove it? ;> TRIOS == excellence in simplicity :) *** [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie non-free contrib main deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://security.debian.org/ jessie/updates main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-updates main contrib non-free deb http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports non-free contrib main deb-src http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie-backports main contrib non-free [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list.d/trios.list deb http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/ mia main sysdfree zfs eudev deb-src http://mirror.org.rs/trios/mia/ mia main sysdfree zfs eudev [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ cat /etc/apt/preferences.d/trios.pref Package: * Pin: origin "mirror.org.rs" Pin-Priority: 1001 Package: systemd Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd-shim Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: systemd-sysv Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: libsystemd0 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: libsystemd0:i386 Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: libsystemd-dev Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 Package: packagekit Pin: release * Pin-Priority: -1 [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ apt-cache policy libsystemd0 libsystemd0: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Package pin: 215-17+deb8u4 Version table: 215-17+deb8u4 -1 500 http://http.debian.net/debian/ jessie/main amd64 Packages [dragan@trios-eudev][~/Desktop]$ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install
Hi Simon, On 07/17/2016 02:00 PM, Simon Walter wrote: Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem specific to Devuan. Basic description of problem:You should check the account's password after the package installation." After unpacking and setting up the packages, mysql is stopped and the root use password is to be set. However, the management database does not exist and/or cannot be created. There are no files in /var/lib/mysql/mysql and it is owned by root. On an successful install (not in a container) that dir is owned by mysql. The log files show: 160716 22:32:16 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.8 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: Using Linux native AIO 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool InnoDB: The first specified data file ./ibdata1 did not exist: InnoDB: a new database to be created! 160716 22:32:16 InnoDB: Setting file ./ibdata1 size to 10 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 160716 22:32:17 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile0 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile0 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 160716 22:32:17 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile1 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile1 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... InnoDB: Doublewrite buffer not found: creating new InnoDB: Doublewrite buffer created InnoDB: 127 rollback segment(s) active. InnoDB: Creating foreign key constraint system tables InnoDB: Foreign key constraint system tables created 160716 22:32:17 InnoDB: Waiting for the background threads to start 160716 22:32:18 InnoDB: 5.5.49 started; log sequence number 0 ERROR: 1146 Table 'mysql.user' doesn't exist 160716 22:32:18 [ERROR] Aborting 160716 22:32:18 InnoDB: Starting shutdown... 160716 22:32:19 InnoDB: Shutdown completed; log sequence number 1595675 160716 22:32:19 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld: Shutdown complete 160716 22:38:41 mysqld_safe Starting mysqld daemon with databases from /var/lib/mysql 160716 22:38:41 [Warning] Using unique option prefix key_buffer instead of key_buffer_size is deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please use the full name instead. 160716 22:38:41 [Note] /usr/sbin/mysqld (mysqld 5.5.49-0+deb8u1) starting as process 1156 ... 160716 22:38:41 [Warning] Using unique option prefix myisam-recover instead of myisam-recover-options is deprecated and will be removed in a future release. Please use the full name instead. 160716 22:38:41 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. /usr/sbin/mysqld: Table 'mysql.plugin' doesn't exist 160716 22:38:41 [ERROR] Can't open the mysql.plugin table. Please run mysql_upgrade to create it. 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.8 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: Using Linux native AIO 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: highest supported file format is Barracuda. 160716 22:38:41 InnoDB: Waiting for the background threads to start 160716 22:38:42 InnoDB: 5.5.49 started; log sequence number 1595675 160716 22:38:42 [Note] Server hostname (bind-address): '127.0.0.1'; port: 3306 160716 22:38:42 [Note] - '127.0.0.1' resolves to '127.0.0.1'; 160716 22:38:42 [Note] Server socket created on IP: '127.0.0.1'. 160716 22:38:42 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 160716 22:38:42 mysqld_safe mysqld from pid file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.pid ended On a successful install, there are no errors about missing tables: 160716 16:27:53 [Note] Plugin 'FEDERATED' is disabled. 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: The InnoDB memory heap is disabled 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Mutexes and rw_locks use GCC atomic builtins 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Compressed tables use zlib 1.2.8 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Using Linux native AIO 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Initializing buffer pool, size = 128.0M 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Completed initialization of buffer pool InnoDB: The first specified data file ./ibdata1 did not exist: InnoDB: a new database to be created! 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Setting file ./ibdata1 size to 10 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile0 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile0 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 160716 16:27:53 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile1 did not exist: ne
Re: [DNG] libsx-dev and libsx0 packages don't work
On 07/16/2016 04:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Unfortunately, I can't find the source code anywhere. ftp://ftp.ac-grenoble.fr/ge/Xlibraries/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless
Rick Moen writes: [...] >> Systemd is vendor lock-in and there is no other way to explain it when >> "apache2-common" cannot be installed due to libsystemd0 dependency. > > Ah, _libsystemd0_. Thanks for the clarification. You were not talking > about a dependency that resolves to package systemd, but rather one that > resovles to package libsystemd0. > > Well, then, that clarifies things. We can now agree to disagree about > an almost certainly functionally meaningless package dependency on > libsystemd0 equating to a system being chained to system, and thus a > qualifying example of 'the tentacular and insidious reach of systemd'. > Quoting my page: > > A few things such as bsdutils and util-linux have started to depend on > libsystemd0, but that seems entirely harmless. I respect the developers > behind Devuan, and know they have done & are doing a great deal more > than just omitting systemd, but it seems to me that there was a lot of > hyperventilating over mere presence of a lib that's doing zero harm just > sitting there. The purpose of libsystemd0 is to enable packages whose code has been 'enhanced' with spurious systemd depedencies to work on systemd-less systems. That's absolutely not harmless. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.
Le 15/07/2016 06:43, Edward Bartolo a écrit : Yes, I refrain from writing C obfuscated code. +1 It doesn't make sense with today's powerful computers not to write readable code, that is why I make an effort to write readable code. I would rather give credit to high quality compilers than powerful computers. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.
Hi, I would like to suggest DNG mail moderators/admins to consider informing mail senders that their mail has been moved. Other email providers like Google always duly informs its users when their email fails to reach its destination and this notwithstanding the huge number of gmail users. It is rude to leave mail senders in the dark. This lately happened to me. I mistakenly attributed the strange DNG behaviour to some temporary failure, and resulted in myself sending the same email several times. Some users got irritated by this resulting in abuse being directed at me, although the perpetrator later said it was not intended. Intended or not, it did add yet another nail to the coffin of my commitment to the Devuan project. I am a person who takes a very long and painful time to make certain decisions, but when I decide, it is always final. Some people will deem this as "drama", but truly I have been considering withdrawing from Devuan for several months. Such a decision will be followed by a request to have my git rights removed. Regrettably this is the situation. Those who abuse are always supported while I am always found to blame. This is plain psychological abuse as it slowly erodes self confidence in one's own perception of reality. Edward ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
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Re: [DNG] Help needed debugging MySQL install
On 07/17/2016 01:01 PM, Simon Walter wrote: Hi everyone, I am having trouble installing mysql-server inside a container (lxc). I have the same problem with a fresh Jessie install. so it doesn't seem specific to Devuan. Basic description of problem: After unpacking and setting up the packages, mysql is stopped and the root use password is to be set. However, the management database does not exist and/or cannot be created. There are no files in /var/lib/mysql/mysql and it is owned by root. On an successful install (not in a container) that dir is owned by mysql. More info: mysql_install_db does not seem to be running from the postinst script. When I run this manually, it succeeds. I think it is failing to run because I have no syslog. ERR_LOGGER="logger -p daemon.err -t mysqld_safe -i" bash /usr/bin/mysql_install_db --user mysql --rpm 2>&1 | $ERR_LOGGER I find it strange, because logger does not fail even if there is no syslog daemon. I was wondering why the command is prefixed with "bash". That doesn't seem to work test.sh: #!/bin/bash bash /bin/date #./test.sh /bin/date: /bin/date: cannot execute binary file The strange thing is it works when there is a syslog daemon installed. Any ideas? Simon ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why Debian 8 Pinning is (or isn't) pointless
LOL, On 07/17/2016 02:00 PM, Rick Moen wrote: On 07/16/2016 10:15 PM, Rick Moen wrote: > >Iron-clad proof that Bill Gates owns Fort Knox. ;-> > >Linuxmafia ?? I did get a very bemused mail from the main organiser of Linux Silicia, because of the domain name. (It does have the advantage of being somewhat memorable.) I've been in Milano, Veronia, Pisa, Venecia, Rome, Firence, Napoles, Salerno, The Lago of Como... My photo in twitter is taken in Como :) LOL again :) Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
