Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

[hal]

All,
Thanks for all the great input. Happy to report I've ditched Chrom* in favor
of Palemoon. Noscript and UBlock Origin plugins install fine.
Youtube and ALSA working well.  Thanks for all the tips!
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Re: [DNG] Apache2 CVE-2017-9798

[Tom Cassidy]

Ok thanks. In that case I will add the proposed updates repo and then wait for 
amprolla3.

—Tom

> On 28 Sep 2017, at 05:23, . fsmithred  wrote:
> 
> I don't think anything is coming through ascii-security. This will probably 
> change when amprolla3 is operational. I expect that will happen soon. Around 
> the same time, I hope that beowulf repos get set up.
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Re: [DNG] Apache2 CVE-2017-9798

[. fsmithred]

I don't think anything is coming through ascii-security. This will probably
change when amprolla3 is operational. I expect that will happen soon.
Around the same time, I hope that beowulf repos get set up.


On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Tom Cassidy 
wrote:

> Is that documented anywhere? I would have thought it would come through to
> ascii-security as that one is listed on the Devuan website at
> https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list. There is no mention of
> ascii-proposed-updates on that page.
>
> —Tom
>
> On 27 Sep 2017, at 22:22, . fsmithred  wrote:
>
> apache2 version 2.4.25-3+deb9u3 is in ascii-proposed-updates. I believe
> that's where the strech security updates are going.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Tom Cassidy 
> wrote:
>
>> Does Devuan’s repository have updates for apache2 to fix CVE-2017-9798?
>> I can only see 2.4.25-3+deb9u1 on ASCII while Debian Stretch has
>> 2.4.25-3+deb9u3.
>>
>> —Tom
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Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

[golinux]

On 2017-09-27 12:05, John Franklin wrote:


Nor is botbot an obvious Devuan resource.  It is not mentioned
anywhere on www.devuan.org, [1] so why would there be a reasonable
expectation to even *think* to look there?

jf



The botbot archives are indeed linked from the devuan.org index page in 
the section copied below.  "Publicly archived" is a link to the botbot 
logs.  I agree that it is rather subtle and easily overlooked.


Communication Channels

Participate in our web forum : dev1galaxy.org
Follow us on Twitter: @DevuanOrg
Subscribe to our mailing lists:
Announce to receive official announcements
DNG to discuss Devuan specific issues
->Join the #devuan IRC channel (publicly archived)<---
File a bug report: https://bugs.devuan.org
Send a private email to free...@devuan.org

But I see that link is missing from the Community page.  I will fix that 
presently.


It is also in the topic for the #devuan channel:

Topic for #devuan is: Recent (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable release 
http://ur1.ca/qxaa5  ||  This is the Devuan https://devuan.org/ 
discussion channel (logged at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan - with 
useful 'search') . . .


golinux



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Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

[John Franklin]

> On Sep 21, 2017, at 12:44 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
> 
> On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote:
>>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>>> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs.
>>> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager
>>> Was that so hard?
>> Yes, it is.  And condescending.
>> Why would someone look at the IRC logs of a site that they've never
>> heard of to find out about something in the Jessie and Ascii
>> repositories?
>> jf
> 
> Because botbot logs the #devuan irc channel where a LOT of questions are 
> answered and or solved.  IMO every Devuan user should have it bookmarked.  It 
> is mentioned frequently on all Devuan communication channels - those 
> references are pretty hard to miss - and it should be one of the first 
> resources to tap.  Think of it as a variation on "give a man a fish/teach a 
> man to fish" . . .  Of course, checking the repository as you did is the most 
> logical place to look for a package.

I have seen projects suggest IRC channels as a place to ask a question, because 
the people who hang out there tend to be knowledgable.  I have *never* seen a 
project suggest searching IRC logs for answers, because IRC tends to ramble and 
finding a coherent answer is difficult at best.

Nor is botbot an obvious Devuan resource.  It is not mentioned anywhere on 
www.devuan.org, [1] so why would there be a reasonable expectation to even 
*think* to look there?

jf
[1] 
https://www.google.com/search?q=botbot+site%3Adevuan.org=botbot+site%3Adevuan.org
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[DNG] Gnome?

[Edward Bartolo]

Quote: "Yes, we do want them, because we want enough users of Gnome
here so we can tell the Gnome project to make systemd conditional in
their source tree, and to accept the patches we (and others) will send
upstream."

Pushing systemd down Gnome users' throats is part of their marketing
strategy. How are you going to convince the Gnome developers not to
use anything to that helps them attain their goals? Is it enough to
state the already stated about systemd and its adoption? I am afraid
the developers are too enthusiastic about systemd's new ways to accept
the olden ways.
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Re: [DNG] Gnome?

[Steve Litt]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 10:21:05 +0200
Narcis Garcia  wrote:
> 
> 
> El 27/09/17 a les 08:12, John Morris ha escrit:
> > On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 03:42 -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote:  
> >> Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE?  
> > 
> > Why not?  It mostly works out of the box, I'm using it now.  If you
> > install it onto a laptop you won't have working power management
> > because of dependencies on systemd.  Google can give you the
> > details but you need to locally rebuild mate-applets,
> > mate-power-manager and mate-session-manager, some with no changes
> > some with one liners.  Slept since I did it and can't remember
> > details at the moment.  :)  Once you fix those three pakages, no
> > problems.

> The subject for this thread is Gnome (v3), that is a different desktop
> than Mate (v1).
> Please, don't forget the initial petition for this thread (and for any
> list's thread) that has no relation on choosing a Desktop Environment.

Exactly. The OP (Original Poster) prioritized having Gnome3 over
everything else, so I'm sure he'll be quite happy remaining in systemd
land. John --- the list suggested Mate and several other wonderful
WMDEs to the OP, but he demanded his Gnome3,  which is unlikely to ever
appear in Devuan because the chance of finding someone having both a
love of Gnome3 and the tech chops to depoetterize it is slim.

Which means this thread has outlived its usefulness.
 
SteveT

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Re: [DNG] Apache2 CVE-2017-9798

[Tom Cassidy]

Is that documented anywhere? I would have thought it would come through to 
ascii-security as that one is listed on the Devuan website at 
https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list. There is no mention of 
ascii-proposed-updates on that page.

—Tom

> On 27 Sep 2017, at 22:22, . fsmithred  wrote:
> 
> apache2 version 2.4.25-3+deb9u3 is in ascii-proposed-updates. I believe 
> that's where the strech security updates are going.
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Tom Cassidy  wrote:
>> Does Devuan’s repository have updates for apache2 to fix CVE-2017-9798? I 
>> can only see 2.4.25-3+deb9u1 on ASCII while Debian Stretch has 
>> 2.4.25-3+deb9u3.
>> 
>> —Tom
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Re: [DNG] Apache2 CVE-2017-9798

[. fsmithred]

apache2 version 2.4.25-3+deb9u3 is in ascii-proposed-updates. I believe
that's where the strech security updates are going.


On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Tom Cassidy  wrote:

> Does Devuan’s repository have updates for apache2 to fix CVE-2017-9798? I
> can only see 2.4.25-3+deb9u1 on ASCII while Debian Stretch has
> 2.4.25-3+deb9u3.
>
> —Tom
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Re: [DNG] Systemd-free => Gnome-free? [Was: Re: Gnome?

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

goli...@dyne.org writes:

> On 2017-09-20 22:36, John Franklin wrote:
>>> On Sep 20, 2017, at 10:59 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote:
>>>
>>> From a search for 'network-manager' in the botbot logs.
>>> https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/search/?q=network-manager
>>> Was that so hard?
>>
>> Yes, it is.  And condescending.
>>
>> Why would someone look at the IRC logs of a site that they've never
>> heard of to find out about something in the Jessie and Ascii
>> repositories?
>>
>> jf
>
> Because botbot logs the #devuan irc channel where a LOT of questions are
> answered and or solved.  IMO every Devuan user should have it
> bookmarked.  It is mentioned frequently on all Devuan communication
> channels - those references are pretty hard to miss - and it should be
> one of the first resources to tap.  Think of it as a variation on "give
> a man a fish/teach a man to fish" . . .  Of course, checking the
> repository as you did is the most logical place to look for a package.

In the "teach a man to fish" department, set up your apt sources.list to
track the Devuan releases you are willing to install from, e.g. jessie
and ascii, and then something like

  sudo apt-get update
  for release in jessie ascii; do
apt-get depends network-manager/$release | grep systemd
  done

Much more authorative and up-to-date than IRC logs.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [DNG] Gnome?

[John Morris]

On Tue, 2017-09-26 at 03:42 -0400, taii...@gmx.com wrote:
> Why not use the gnome 2 fork MATE?

Why not?  It mostly works out of the box, I'm using it now.  If you
install it onto a laptop you won't have working power management because
of dependencies on systemd.  Google can give you the details but you
need to locally rebuild mate-applets, mate-power-manager and
mate-session-manager, some with no changes some with one liners.  Slept
since I did it and can't remember details at the moment.  :)  Once you
fix those three pakages, no problems.


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