Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
This might be what you seek! ;) Personally I'd go to jessie first, just my 2 cents. https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate-to-jessie.md https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/blob/master/migrate-to-ascii.md ozi On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 7:58 PM, Mark Hindley wrote: > Hello, > > I have an old and venerable headless system that runs Debian Wheezy. Now > Wheezy > is EOL I need to upgrade without pulling in systemd and dbus. Devuan is the > obvious choice. > > I can't find any specific instructions or report of Wheezy -> ASCII > migration. Does anybody have experience of it? > > Many thanks, > > Mark > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:58:58 +0100 Mark Hindley wrote: > Hello, > > I have an old and venerable headless system that runs Debian Wheezy. > Now Wheezy is EOL I need to upgrade without pulling in systemd and > dbus. Devuan is the obvious choice. > > I can't find any specific instructions or report of Wheezy -> ASCII > migration. Does anybody have experience of it? No. I upgraded to Devuan-jessie from a Debian-strech and a Debian-wheezy boxes rather than direct. Both are headless servers. One was a ASUS Intel P2/3 mobo and the other a MSI Intel Celeron mobo, if that matters. YMMV, but no problems with either. Certainly quicker than the two "user" workstations carrying bloat. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:58:58AM +0100, Mark Hindley wrote: > Hello, > > I have an old and venerable headless system that runs Debian Wheezy. Now > Wheezy > is EOL I need to upgrade without pulling in systemd and dbus. Devuan is the > obvious choice. > > I can't find any specific instructions or report of Wheezy -> ASCII > migration. Does anybody have experience of it? > Hi Mark, you shouldn't "skip" a relase :) It's safer to get to Devuan Jessie first, and then upgrade to ASCII from there. So following the instruction reported below: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ to upgrade to Jessie and then to upgrade to ASCII should get you up to speed. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.
goli...@dyne.org [2018-08-31 19:10]: > Use the default Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy theme. Most other themes > cannot render the gtk3 properly. xfce4 terminal looks great here. Or AguaLemon, which looks much better (this is obviously a matter of taste). -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
On 08/31/2018 10:54 AM, Vittorio Beggi GMAIL wrote: > I have heard that on the next distros of Debian, the package "Gksu" wil be > deprecated and no more included among the installable packages. Right. There is no gksu in sid/ceres or buster/beowulf. The solution suggested in Ubuntu only works in Gnome. (example: gedit admin:///etc/default/grub). Some apps have already replaced gksu with pkexec in stretch/ascii, and I wish that solution worked in all cases. There are plenty of posts from people who can't start synaptic from the menu, and I know of one case of someone (me) who can start synaptic from the menu and install packages without having to provide a password. A more universal replacement that I've been using is: xterm -e su -c 'some-program' It looks like there are some other replacements, such as 'sux' in Arch and 'zensu' in Manjaro. I don't know anything about them. I suppose it's possible that gksu could survive if someone adopted or forked it and wanted to maintain it. fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
Am 2018-09-01 14:10, schrieb fsmithred: Right. There is no gksu in sid/ceres or buster/beowulf. There is gksu in sid: https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/gksu Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Reply-To in this list
Hi, my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com replyto address (which was rejected). I'm wondering why this list allows replyto addresses which contain other addresses than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list messages should always go to the list. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 15:27:59, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com > replyto address (which was rejected). Sounds like you should prefix your blocking rules with something to accept from lists you're subscribed to. > I'm wondering why this list allows replyto addresses which contain other > addresses than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list > messages should always go to the list. It's up to the sender of emails whether they set a reply-to address or not. This list (in common with most others I'm on, I don't know about all the rest) neither sets nor removes any reply-to header in the original email. Personally I regard it as bad practice for mailing list servers to modify the headers of emails to lists, however I also regard it as very unfriendly for people posting to a list to set a reply-to header of anything other than the list address (which is redundant but acceptable IMO). Ultimately, though, if your anti-spam rules result in you not receiving emails which you wanted to receive, then your rules are not doing what you want them to and need to be adjusted. Regards, Antony. -- Software development can be quick, high quality, or low cost. The customer gets to pick any two out of three. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
Am 2018-09-01 15:35, schrieb Antony Stone: I also regard it as very unfriendly for people posting to a list to set a reply-to header of anything other than the list address (which is redundant but acceptable IMO). Right. And it also makes no sense to set a reply-to if it's the same as the from address. Reply-to only makes sense if it's different from from. This is normally only used by servers sending automated mail which cannot receive mails. Ultimately, though, if your anti-spam rules result in you not receiving emails which you wanted to receive, then your rules are not doing what you want them to and need to be adjusted. I could also argue that someone who wants to get his mail delivered, should configure his client properly. Jochen ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 15:54:49, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-09-01 15:35, schrieb Antony Stone: > > I also regard it as very unfriendly for people posting to a list to set a > > reply-to header of anything other than the list address (which is > > redundant but acceptable IMO). > > Right. And it also makes no sense to set a reply-to if it's the same as > the from address. Reply-to only makes sense if it's different from from. Agreed. > This is normally only used by servers sending automated mail which > cannot receive mails. Personally I'd prefer the From address to be replyable in the first place. > > Ultimately, though, if your anti-spam rules result in you not receiving > > emails which you wanted to receive, then your rules are not doing what you > > want them to and need to be adjusted. > > I could also argue that someone who wants to get his mail delivered, > should configure his client properly. Ah, but the person doing the sending has no idea what sort of blocking other people may be doing, therefore they can't allow for every possibility of getting through other people's filters. Antony. -- Wanted: telepath. You know where to apply. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 02:20:37PM +0200, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-09-01 14:10, schrieb fsmithred: > > Right. There is no gksu in sid/ceres or buster/beowulf. > > There is gksu in sid: > https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/gksu Nope. Per your own link, it's neither in buster nor unstable. Here you have it more clearly visible: https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gksu.html Meow! -- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ What Would Jesus Do, MUD/MMORPG edition: ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ • multiplay with an admin char to benefit your mortal [Mt3:16-17] ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ • abuse item cloning bugs [Mt14:17-20, Mt15:34-37] ⠈⠳⣄ • use glitches to walk on water [Mt14:25-26] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
On 09/01/2018 05:54 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: > Nope. Per your own link, it's neither in buster nor unstable. > > Here you have it more clearly visible: > https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gksu.html If I understand correctly gksu is not needed. Using sudo with -H or -i, but with or without -u, will take care of the $HOME issue for graphical applications. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 03:27:59PM +0200, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail addresses. > Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com replyto address > (which was rejected). > I'm wondering why this list allows replyto addresses which contain other > addresses than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list > messages should always go to the list. The reply-to header is to indicate where to send a message to the original author. The author might, for example, be temporarilly away from his usual site and still want to indicate where he normally receives email. This might be useful, for example, to make a private, off-list reply. The 'list-post' header is to indicate how to reply to the list. Proper email programs distinguish between these and recognise both. Proper mailing-list software don't get in the way. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 17:21:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 03:27:59PM +0200, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Hi, > > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com > > replyto address (which was rejected). > > I'm wondering why this list allows replyto addresses which contain other > > addresses than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list > > messages should always go to the list. > > The reply-to header is to indicate where to send a message to the > original author. The author might, for example, be temporarilly > away from his usual site and still want to indicate where he > normally receives email. This may have been the case when email was in its infancy, and an email address actually pointed at "the machine" used by an individual, but how relevant is this these days, when people can access their email accounts from multiple devices, many of which are mobile and go with the person when they away from "their usual site"? > This might be useful, for example, to make a private, off-list reply. > > The 'list-post' header is to indicate how to reply to the list. > > Proper email programs distinguish between these and recognise both. > Proper mailing-list software don't get in the way. Agreed. Antony. -- Users don't know what they want until they see what they get. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
On Fri, 31 Aug 2018 10:58:58 +0100, Mark wrote in message <20180831095858.gn1...@hindley.org.uk>: > Hello, > > I have an old and venerable headless system that runs Debian Wheezy. > Now Wheezy is EOL I need to upgrade without pulling in systemd and > dbus. Devuan is the obvious choice. > > I can't find any specific instructions or report of Wheezy -> ASCII > migration. Does anybody have experience of it? ..only done it once ;o): uptime 17:11:05 up 439 days, 4:27, 4 users, load average: 0.07, 0.05, 0.00 ..that's from Debian Squeeze (when they endlifed Squeeze) -> Wheezy, then straight to Devuan Jessie, not Ascii, and I really should make sure I finished that sloppy job, it's my De**an lan mirror box. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.
On 01/09/2018 at 13:05, Harald Arnesen wrote: > goli...@dyne.org [2018-08-31 19:10]: > >> Use the default Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy theme. Most other themes >> cannot render the gtk3 properly. xfce4 terminal looks great here. > Or AguaLemon, which looks much better (this is obviously a matter of taste). Thou shalt be flogged for uttering this blasphemy! -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding key: BA651E4050DDFC31E17384BABCE7BD1A1B0DF2AE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
dear Jochen, On Sat, 01 Sep 2018, J. Fahrner wrote: > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a > gmail.com replyto address (which was rejected). I'm wondering why > this list allows replyto addresses which contain other addresses > than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list messages > should always go to the list. I second your concern. tl;dr - help! long-ish story: We are currently running Mailmain 2 for this and other lists.dyne.org and there are somehow long standing problems calling for maintainance, one of them being the infamous lurker web-archiver bug which makes most emails disappear from the web. Said that, knowing an intervention to fix all this will be soon planned, I wonder if you or anyone else on this list has enough experience with Mailman to indicate if we can change its setup to somehow fix this behavior you mention. Also appreciated if anyone has enough knowledge of Mailman 3, which seems to me has done quite some progress. If we should upgrade to that alltogether by making this effort and if yes then what settings are to be preferred to avoid the situation you mention and other situations - if it is possible at all. I am aware this may be mostly a client setting issue, however we are committed to facilitate as much as possible netiquette-aligned behaviors here - yet I second Anthony on this, without fiddling too much with headers server-side. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
On Sat, 1 Sep 2018 10:49:17 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 10:58:58AM +0100, Mark Hindley wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have an old and venerable headless system that runs Debian > > Wheezy. Now Wheezy is EOL I need to upgrade without pulling in > > systemd and dbus. Devuan is the obvious choice. > > > > I can't find any specific instructions or report of Wheezy -> ASCII > > migration. Does anybody have experience of it? > > > > Hi Mark, > > you shouldn't "skip" a relase :) It's safer to get to Devuan Jessie > first, and then upgrade to ASCII from there. So following the > instruction reported below: > > https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ > > to upgrade to Jessie and then to upgrade to ASCII should get you up to > speed. > > HND > > KatolaZ > Being an elder in the Church of the Known State, I'd personally recommend a fresh, clean ASCII install. Treat it as a spring cleaning to get rid of ghosts of operating systems past. Install fresh, copy your data, and you're 90% done. There will be a few special configs you'll need to edit in the new system, based on the old. Usual suggestions apply: Perform your package manager's command for listing packages installed by a human (and not simply because they're dependencies of somebody else). Record the output of mount, lsblk, ip addr, ip route, and of course, completely back up the whole old machine. For extra speed, add a 256GB SSD for /, and have directories whose data changes (like /home as one example) mounted from a spinning disk. I've had great success with such a setup: Commands run from /usr/bin come right off the SSD with surprisingly little latency. I mean yeah, you could upgrade, and then upgrade again, and it might work, but if you do that, will you even really understand what you have? SteveT Steve Litt September 2018 featured book: Quit Joblessness: Start Your Own Business http://www.troubleshooters.com/startbiz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
Steve Litt wrote: > Install fresh, copy your data, and you're 90% done. There will be a few > special configs you'll need to edit in the new system, based on the old. There is something to be said for that. One of the issues I've had with a number of upgrades is the config changes - you get loads of "your config has been edited, what do you want to do" dialogs for all those packages where you edit the one config file. And then there are all the changes, especially if you were running some new hand installed package and it's now available as a distro native installer package. Trouble is, unless you do both then you don't know which is more work - updating your existing config, or recreating it :-/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Migrate from Debian Wheezy to Devuan ASCII
Am Samstag, 1. September 2018 schrieb Simon Hobson: > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Install fresh, copy your data, and you're 90% done. There will be a few > > special configs you'll need to edit in the new system, based on the old. > > There is something to be said for that. One of the issues I've had with a > number of upgrades is the config changes - you get loads of "your config has > been edited, what do you want to do" dialogs for all those packages where you > edit the one config file. And then there are all the changes, especially if > you were running some new hand installed package and it's now available as a > distro native installer package. > > Trouble is, unless you do both then you don't know which is more work - > updating your existing config, or recreating it :-/ And when you go wheezy->jessie->ascii, you'll end up with a lot of "undead" packages without upgrade candidate or things you put on hold ages ago: $ apt-show-versions |grep --invert-match '\(uptodate\|not installed\|newer than version in archive\)' $ apt-show-versions |grep --invert-match 'No available version' And lots of configs of those: $ dpkg -l|grep ^rc You will most likely want purge all of them ... and probably shoot yourself in the foot on the way by removing :amd64 instead of the :i386 version, so keep your eyes open ;) Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
Le 01/09/2018 à 14:10, fsmithred a écrit : Some apps have already replaced gksu with pkexec in stretch/ascii, and I wish that solution worked in all cases. There are plenty of posts from people who can't start synaptic from the menu, and I know of one case of someone (me) who can start synaptic from the menu and install packages without having to provide a password. You pointed the culprit: pkexec uses polycy-kit (for the sole benefit of alowing to use it without a password). gksu doesn't need policy-kit, this is obviously why it has been obsoleted by the kit fans. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 06:15:27PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Jochen, > > > On Sat, 01 Sep 2018, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a > > gmail.com replyto address (which was rejected). I'm wondering why > > this list allows replyto addresses which contain other addresses > > than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list messages > > should always go to the list. > > I second your concern. > > tl;dr - help! > > long-ish story: > > We are currently running Mailmain 2 for this and other lists.dyne.org > and there are somehow long standing problems calling for maintainance, > one of them being the infamous lurker web-archiver bug which makes > most emails disappear from the web. > I promised to have a look at the lurker issue, but haven't had time to do that. It's in my todo-list, but anyvody willing to help is welcome :) > Said that, knowing an intervention to fix all this will be soon > planned, I wonder if you or anyone else on this list has enough > experience with Mailman to indicate if we can change its setup to > somehow fix this behavior you mention. Reply-To: is not something that a mailing-list manager should be concerned with nowadays, and is surely something a mailing list server should not mangle with. The reason is that there is no right way of treating Reply-To: without upsetting a large fraction of users. The classical reads about this topic are reported below: http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-harmful.html http://marc.merlins.org/netrants/reply-to-useful.html The truth is that nowadays any reasonable MUA should only use the List-* headers to manage sending to the mailing list (no need to say that mutt does that ;P). My very humble opinion on the topic is that Reply-To: munging is useless, unprincipled, and upsetting. The sender decides what they want the SMTP headers to look like, and nobody should interfere with that, and certainly not a mailining list manager. The recipient retains the freedom to ignore those headers altogether. And they lived happily ever after. > > Also appreciated if anyone has enough knowledge of Mailman 3, which > seems to me has done quite some progress. If we should upgrade to that > alltogether by making this effort and if yes then what settings are to > be preferred to avoid the situation you mention and other situations - > if it is possible at all. > I will have a look at Mailman 3, but the Reply-To: thing is not a matter of mechanism (which has existed in Mailman for as long as I can remember, i.e. about A.D. 1999), but of policy. > I am aware this may be mostly a client setting issue, however we are > committed to facilitate as much as possible netiquette-aligned > behaviors here - yet I second Anthony on this, without fiddling too > much with headers server-side. > IMHO, Reply-To: has nothing to do with netiquette. SMTP servers should mangle messages only to the extent required to provide the service they provide. Which normally means, no mangling at all. HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
On 09/01/2018 10:16 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 01/09/2018 à 14:10, fsmithred a écrit : >> Some apps have already replaced gksu with >> pkexec in stretch/ascii, and I wish that solution worked in all cases. >> There are plenty of posts from people who can't start synaptic from the >> menu, and I know of one case of someone (me) who can start synaptic from >> the menu and install packages without having to provide a password. > > You pointed the culprit: pkexec uses polycy-kit (for the sole > benefit of alowing to use it without a password). [snip] Last I checked, policy-kit was exceptionally complicated and difficult to configure. It was nothing that could be done casually. It also lacked most of the granularity of sudo. How much has it improved, if any, in recent years? /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
On 9/1/18 5:20 AM, J. Fahrner wrote:
Am 2018-09-01 14:10, schrieb fsmithred:
Right. There is no gksu in sid/ceres or buster/beowulf.
There is gksu in sid:
https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/gksu
root@jimmy-1:/home/jimmy# aptitude install gksu
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gconf-service{a} gconf2{a} gconf2-common{a} gcr{a} gksu
gnome-keyring{a} gnome-keyring-pkcs11{a}
libgck-1-0{a} libgconf-2-4{a} libgcr-base-3-1{a} libgcr-ui-3-1{a}
libgksu2-0{a}
libgnome-keyring-common{a} libgnome-keyring0{a} libgtop-2.0-10{a}
libgtop2-common{a}
libpam-gnome-keyring{a} libsecret-1-0{a} libsecret-common{a}
p11-kit{a} p11-kit-modules{a}
pinentry-gnome3{a}
0 packages upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 5,711 kB of archives. After unpacking 21.6 MB will be used.
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Re: [DNG] No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.
On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 06:11:04PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 01/09/2018 at 13:05, Harald Arnesen wrote: > > goli...@dyne.org [2018-08-31 19:10]: > > > >> Use the default Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy theme. Most other themes > >> cannot render the gtk3 properly. xfce4 terminal looks great here. > > Or AguaLemon, which looks much better (this is obviously a matter of taste). > > Thou shalt be flogged for uttering this blasphemy! De gustibus non est disputanum. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 05:25:37PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 17:21:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 03:27:59PM +0200, J. Fahrner wrote: > > > Hi, > > > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > > > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com > > > replyto address (which was rejected). > > > I'm wondering why this list allows replyto addresses which contain other > > > addresses than this list. That makes no sense to me. Replies to list > > > messages should always go to the list. > > > > The reply-to header is to indicate where to send a message to the > > original author. The author might, for example, be temporarilly > > away from his usual site and still want to indicate where he > > normally receives email. > > This may have been the case when email was in its infancy, and an email > address actually pointed at "the machine" used by an individual, but how > relevant is this these days, when people can access their email accounts from > multiple devices, many of which are mobile and go with the person when they > away from "their usual site"? If I'm away from home and post using my mobile, I still often want the reply to go to my home site, which is *not* in the cloud. -- hendrik > > > This might be useful, for example, to make a private, off-list reply. > > > > The 'list-post' header is to indicate how to reply to the list. > > > > Proper email programs distinguish between these and recognise both. > > Proper mailing-list software don't get in the way. > > Agreed. > > > Antony. > > -- > Users don't know what they want until they see what they get. Agreed. Sometimes they don't know even then. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Repent! [Re: No spaces between menus in XFCE terminal.]
On 02/09/2018 at 02:23, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 06:11:04PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 01/09/2018 at 13:05, Harald Arnesen wrote: >>> goli...@dyne.org [2018-08-31 19:10]: >>> Use the default Clearlooks-Phenix-DarkPurpy theme. Most other themes cannot render the gtk3 properly. xfce4 terminal looks great here. >>> Or AguaLemon, which looks much better (this is obviously a matter of taste). >> Thou shalt be flogged for uttering this blasphemy! > De gustibus non est disputanum. > Thou shalt have no other theme than DarkPurpy! -- Alessandro Selli Tel. 3701355486 VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding key: BA651E4050DDFC31E17384BABCE7BD1A1B0DF2AE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
Am 2018-09-02 02:27, schrieb Hendrik Boom: If I'm away from home and post using my mobile, I still often want the reply to go to my home site, which is *not* in the cloud. But then, I assume, it is not a freemail address. Nowadays lots of spam is sent through freemailers using a disposable email address and a reply-to to a different freemail address. Since you cannot block the whole google and yahoo mail servers, the only way to reject such spam is by the reply-to header. Jochen. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list
On 2018-09-02 06:52, J. Fahrner wrote:
Nowadays lots of spam is sent through freemailers using a disposable
email address and a reply-to to a different freemail address. Since
you cannot block the whole google and yahoo mail servers, the only way
to reject such spam is by the reply-to header.
In which case write a rule in which emails from A={gmail,yahoo} with a
reply-to to a different B={gmail,yahoo} address get blocked (your
decision whether to block only when A == B etc.) … no reason to prevent
legitimate reply-to use cases such as those mentioned by others above,
and such a rule against the big internet mail sites is likely to hit
only a very small proportion of those legitimate users! :)
--
Bill Gallafent
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