[DNG] Systemd as tragedy
Whether systemd is a tragedy or not, I will not say, but whenever I tried it, I was always greeted with OS crashes. At first, I tried to use it for a media player but, needless to state, the OS crashed for no reason. With an SD card as the storage medium this becomes a nuisance as one has to take out the SD card, insert it in another machine, and run fsck to repair damage done by not shutting down properly. I have already an impredictable mains supply that has the habit of suspending itself at its own whims. I do not need a pseudo-init that has been constantly fed features it shouldn't feature as an init rendering it the most obese of all. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy
Quoting Alessandro Selli (alessandrose...@linux.com): > Might interest someone: > > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ > > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet > > Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human > suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in > audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from that definition for his > 2019 linux.conf.au talk on the story of systemd which, he said, involves > no shortage of suffering. His attempt to cast that story for the > pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look at a > turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. As I'm (like you) an LWN.net subscriber, I can furnish a 'subscriber link' for the benefit of Dng readers. Enjoy. https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/777595/c64f9542bdd40595/ -- Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back Rick Moenfrom anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet r...@linuxmafia.com they struggled to get you here. Repay them by appreciating McQ! (4x80) the civilization you inherited." -- David Brin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 12:19:44AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Might interest someone: > > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ > > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet > > His attempt to cast that story for the > pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look at a > turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. Hard to believe I listened to the same talk Corbet is describing. What I heard was a propaganda piece, finding reasons to sell the systemd approach to BSD conference attendees. To Benno Rice, the tragedy is the pathetic opposition to what he construes as the inevitable forces of progress and rationality. -- Joel Roth ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy
On 1/30/19 4:57 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: Might interest someone: https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from that definition for his 2019 linux.conf.au talk on the story of systemd which, he said, involves no shortage of suffering. His attempt to cast that story for the pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look at a turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. ___ Unfortunately . . . "The page you have tried to view (Systemd as tragedy) is currently available to LWN subscribers only." Too bad. Might have been entertaining . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng In a week, that article will become available ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] suspicious firefox behaviour
I have firefox up with a number of tabs. I shut wifi off on my Purism laptop by shutting off power to the radio. I start up a new tab by clicking on '+'. I ask to look at file:///home/hendrik by typing in the url bar. Nothing happens. It's frozen. I try file:/// Nothing happens either. I turn wifi on and reconnect to the access point. Now both of these urls work. So I ask: Why should firefox need to access the net to look at the hard drive in the laptop. Using Devuan Ascii and the firefox it provides. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 18:57:05 -0600, goli...@dyne.org wrote in message <810d7588b1d19b97a367da1d027b7...@dyne.org>: > On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > Might interest someone: > > > > https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ > > > > [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet > > > > Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human > > suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in > > audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from that definition > > for his > > 2019 linux.conf.au talk on the story of systemd which, he said, > > involves > > no shortage of suffering. His attempt to cast that story for the > > pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look > > at a > > turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. > > > > ___ > > > > Unfortunately . . . > > "The page you have tried to view (Systemd as tragedy) is currently > available to LWN subscribers only." > > Too bad. Might have been entertaining . . . ..it is: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Systemd+as+tragedy&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Systemd+as+tragedy&ia=videos ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd as tragedy
On 2019-01-30 17:19, Alessandro Selli wrote: Might interest someone: https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from that definition for his 2019 linux.conf.au talk on the story of systemd which, he said, involves no shortage of suffering. His attempt to cast that story for the pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look at a turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. ___ Unfortunately . . . "The page you have tried to view (Systemd as tragedy) is currently available to LWN subscribers only." Too bad. Might have been entertaining . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
On 2019-01-30 16:32, Harald Arnesen via Dng wrote: goli...@dyne.org [30/01/2019 18.04]: Yeah, it's a rat's nest for sure but I've managed to fake it so far. Now deep into theming beowulf which requires way too many late, late nights Care to explain what this is? The Ascii theme is - ok - so what's to change for Beowulf? - Every Devuan release will have a different color palette (at least under my watch). This color palette was chosen for three reasons - Beowulf is a tale of bloody times, systemd has us seeing red and similar color palettes seem popular in "show you desktop" threads. It is a work in progress: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/grub-final.png https://dev1galaxy.org/files/slim-final.png https://dev1galaxy.org/files/your-way_cinnabar-wide-large.png https://transfer.sh/RXy0q/current-theme.png (a mockup - not fully cooked yet) Stay tuned . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Systemd as tragedy
Might interest someone: https://lwn.net/Articles/777595/ [Front] Posted Jan 28, 2019 20:05 UTC (Mon) by corbet Tragedy, according to Wikipedia, is "a form of drama based on human suffering that invokes an accompanying catharsis or pleasure in audiences". Benno Rice took his inspiration from that definition for his 2019 linux.conf.au talk on the story of systemd which, he said, involves no shortage of suffering. His attempt to cast that story for the pleasure of his audience resulted in a sympathetic and nuanced look at a turbulent chapter in the history of the Linux system. -- Alessandro Selli VOIP SIP: dhatarat...@ekiga.net Chiave firma e cifratura PGP/GPG signing and encoding key: BA651E4050DDFC31E17384BABCE7BD1A1B0DF2AE signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
goli...@dyne.org [30/01/2019 18.04]: > Yeah, it's a rat's nest for sure but I've managed to fake it so far. Now > deep into theming beowulf which requires way too many late, late nights Care to explain what this is? The Ascii theme is - ok - so what's to change for Beowulf? -- Hilsen Harald ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
On 2019-01-30 04:44, hal wrote: On 1/27/19 5:20 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: The window borders are handled by the window theme so try a different one or modify the one you're using. Could also be that the theme you're using is not compatible with GTK-3 or that you don't have all the needed libraries installed. Have fun trying to sort it. Thanks. Any way to tell which one is in being used? It seems Openbox has a theme applied for the window frames/title bar and LXDE is using something else for the menu bar areas, etc. xfce4-terminal seems to be ignoring both of these and doing something else. There's also color/theme config files in ~/.gtk* and /etc/gtk. It's utter madness. I appreciate the work that was put into the Devuan theme. Not sure how you guys/gals manage to stay sane. Yeah, it's a rat's nest for sure but I've managed to fake it so far. Now deep into theming beowulf which requires way too many late, late nights . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
On 2019-01-30 07:28, Gonzalo Pérez de Olaguer Córdoba wrote:
Hi, hal.
El Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:53:33 -0600
hal escribió:
[...] How does one go about changing the colors without theming?
The X Window System provides a standard way to configure the widgets,
but I don't know if it respects it in any case or it depends on the
graphics library respecting those settings.
Here's what I have in ~/.Xresources:
<--- begin
! xterm settings
XTerm*reverseVideo: true
XTerm*utf8Title: true
! medium sized font by default
XTerm*initialFont: 4
! make Meta-key be Alt instead of Esc
XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true
<--- end
And here's what I have in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to darken the selected tab
in the panel/tasklist under xfce:
<--- begin
style "modified_panel" = "default"
{
bg[ACTIVE] = "#a0a0a0"
}
widget_class "*Panel*" style "modified_panel"
class "*Panel*" style "modified_panel"
<--- end
I hope this helps you to get some ideas.
Salo.
Oh, thanks for reminding me about ~/.gtkrc-2.0. I used that
occasionally before starting to tweaking full themes. This should work
for you if you can identify the exact element that you want to change.
I'm assuming it will work in openbox but not sure . . .
Never played with ~/.Xresources but good to know about it.
golinux
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Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
Hi, hal.
El Wed, 30 Jan 2019 06:53:33 -0600
hal escribió:
> [...] How does one go about changing the colors without theming?
The X Window System provides a standard way to configure the widgets,
but I don't know if it respects it in any case or it depends on the
graphics library respecting those settings.
Here's what I have in ~/.Xresources:
<--- begin
! xterm settings
XTerm*reverseVideo: true
XTerm*utf8Title: true
! medium sized font by default
XTerm*initialFont: 4
! make Meta-key be Alt instead of Esc
XTerm*metaSendsEscape: true
<--- end
And here's what I have in ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to darken the selected tab
in the panel/tasklist under xfce:
<--- begin
style "modified_panel" = "default"
{
bg[ACTIVE] = "#a0a0a0"
}
widget_class "*Panel*" style "modified_panel"
class "*Panel*" style "modified_panel"
<--- end
I hope this helps you to get some ideas.
Salo.
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Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
On 1/30/19 4:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: I personally decided years ago to stay sane by avoiding any theming (but I admit it's way easier for me, since I mainly see little more than tabbed+xterms in my workspaces...). Seems like every DE out there defaults to a (eye-searing-text-editor-going-full-screen-at-4am) monochromatic color scheme. How does one go about changing the colors without theming? GTK+ config files seem to be pigeon-holed in so many places it's impossible to figure out: env variables GTK2_RC_FILES, /etc/gtk/, ~/.gtkrc, ~/.gtkrc-2.0, ~/.gtkrc-3.0, ~/.themes/, /usr/share/themes/...on-and-on... ugh It seems many themes have a gtk-3 directory in them, but do not actually change the Xfce4-terminal window color. Not sure what's up with that but finally found one[1] which seems to work. If anyone else shares my frustration, hope this helps. Thanks for all the OT input. [1] https://github.com/paullinuxthemer/Dark-Side ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 04:44:29AM -0600, hal wrote: > > > On 1/27/19 5:20 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > The window borders are handled by the window theme so try a different > > one or modify the one you're using. Could also be that the theme you're > > using is not compatible with GTK-3 or that you don't have all the needed > > libraries installed. Have fun trying to sort it. > > Thanks. Any way to tell which one is in being used? It seems Openbox has a > theme applied for the window frames/title bar and LXDE is using something > else for the menu bar areas, etc. xfce4-terminal seems to be ignoring both > of these and doing something else. There's also color/theme config files in > ~/.gtk* and /etc/gtk. It's utter madness. I appreciate the work that was put > into the Devuan theme. Not sure how you guys/gals manage to stay sane. > I personally decided years ago to stay sane by avoiding any theming (but I admit it's way easier for me, since I mainly see little more than tabbed+xterms in my workspaces...). :P KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - Devuan -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT: Changing xfce4-terminal window frame color
On 1/27/19 5:20 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: The window borders are handled by the window theme so try a different one or modify the one you're using. Could also be that the theme you're using is not compatible with GTK-3 or that you don't have all the needed libraries installed. Have fun trying to sort it. Thanks. Any way to tell which one is in being used? It seems Openbox has a theme applied for the window frames/title bar and LXDE is using something else for the menu bar areas, etc. xfce4-terminal seems to be ignoring both of these and doing something else. There's also color/theme config files in ~/.gtk* and /etc/gtk. It's utter madness. I appreciate the work that was put into the Devuan theme. Not sure how you guys/gals manage to stay sane. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
