Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Le 09/07/2019 à 21:34, J. Fahrner via Dng a écrit : Am 2019-07-09 21:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? Not every boot. Every service start: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 Are they crazy? They probably did that because it was fun and they just didn't expect it to have a cost. Now they won't undo it because it would mean to ack their error, which would open the door for acking more errors. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 21:34:12 +0200 "J. Fahrner via Dng" wrote: > Am 2019-07-09 21:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: > >> So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? > > > > Not every boot. Every service start: > > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 > > > > Are they crazy? Martin, close your ears for a second. J. Fahrner, Followthemoney! SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Am 2019-07-09 21:07, schrieb Tomasz Torcz: So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? Not every boot. Every service start: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 Are they crazy? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Tomasz Torcz - 09.07.19, 21:07: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:58:37PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > > > > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? > > > > > > From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID > > > generation for all units and for some hashmap implementation. But > > > as far as I got, they would not even need random values with > > > cryptographic quality. But when using /dev/urandom they still > > > drain the entropy pool for more important applications of > > > randomness (like generating SSH keys).> > > So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? > > Not every boot. Every service start: > https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0 > cdf3f4bd9db3 Now *who* does need that? Well… Thank you for digging that out. Seems Systemd developers pile complexity over complexity over complexity just to even add more complexity. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 02:58:37PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > > > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? > > > > From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID generation > > for all units and for some hashmap implementation. But as far as I got, > > they would not even need random values with cryptographic quality. But > > when using /dev/urandom they still drain the entropy pool for more > > important applications of randomness (like generating SSH keys). > > So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? Not every boot. Every service start: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/4b58153dd22172d817055d2a09a0cdf3f4bd9db3 -- Tomasz Torcz "God, root, what's the difference?" xmpp: zdzich...@chrome.pl "God is more forgiving." ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 04:31:21PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hendrik Boom - 09.07.19, 14:26: > > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be > > > > > available > > > > > in a large enough quantity. > > > > > > > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > > > > random number generator of CPUs anyway? > > > > > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-info > > > > rmation.en.html#entropy-starvation> > > > The preceding article mentions using haveged, which many consider > > > insecure. So for those times when *I* use systemd, I've created a > > > superior solution... > > > > > > I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that > > > the mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up > > > entropy. Within 10 seconds boot begins! > > > > > > I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the > > > promise > > > of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast > > > boot > > > to fruition. > > > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? > > From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID generation > for all units and for some hashmap implementation. But as far as I got, > they would not even need random values with cryptographic quality. But > when using /dev/urandom they still drain the entropy pool for more > important applications of randomness (like generating SSH keys). So why do they need new UUID's at every boot? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On 2019-07-09 09:31, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Steve Litt - 09.07.19, 13:07: On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > in a large enough quantity. > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > random number generator of CPUs anyway? > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-inform > ation.en.html#entropy-starvation The preceding article mentions using haveged, which many consider insecure. So for those times when *I* use systemd, I've created a superior solution... I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that the mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up entropy. Within 10 seconds boot begins! I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the promise of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast boot to fruition. Haha! You mean that, do you? Or was that a joke? Welcome to Steve Litt's world. An oldie but goodie: http://troubleshooters.com/linux/systemd/bikebrakes.htm ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Steve Litt - 09.07.19, 13:07: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > > in a large enough quantity. > > > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > > random number generator of CPUs anyway? > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-inform > > ation.en.html#entropy-starvation > The preceding article mentions using haveged, which many consider > insecure. So for those times when *I* use systemd, I've created a > superior solution... > > I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that the > mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up > entropy. Within 10 seconds boot begins! > > I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the promise > of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast boot > to fruition. Haha! You mean that, do you? Or was that a joke? -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Hendrik Boom - 09.07.19, 14:26: > On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > > > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be > > > > available > > > > in a large enough quantity. > > > > > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > > > random number generator of CPUs anyway? > > > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-info > > > rmation.en.html#entropy-starvation> > > The preceding article mentions using haveged, which many consider > > insecure. So for those times when *I* use systemd, I've created a > > superior solution... > > > > I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that > > the mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up > > entropy. Within 10 seconds boot begins! > > > > I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the > > promise > > of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast > > boot > > to fruition. > > What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? > What *use* could there even be, never mind need? From what I gathered they need some basic randomness for UUID generation for all units and for some hashmap implementation. But as far as I got, they would not even need random values with cryptographic quality. But when using /dev/urandom they still drain the entropy pool for more important applications of randomness (like generating SSH keys). -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
fsmithred via Dng - 09.07.19, 12:49: > On 7/9/19 5:07 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > >> Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being > >> available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but > >> just booting should not depend on entropy being available. > > > > This is enlightening: > > > > Openssh taking minutes to become available, booting takes half an > > hour ... because your server waits for a few bytes of randomness > > > > https://daniel-lange.com/archives/152-hello-buster.html > > > > According Daniel Systemd developers are basically getting it wrong > > to > > the maximum extent possible. > > Live-isos with openssh-server hang on boot while waiting for enough > entropy to make new host keys. I get this with sysvinit (in Devuan). I > made a live-config script to start haveged before openssh-server > starts to fix it. I may run into this once I upgrade my cloud-init VM images for the Linux trainings I hold. So yes, it is not just something with Systemd, but still I believe Systemd has no business to drain the entropy pool that early during boot time. Especially given the challenge of having enough entropy during boot anyway. I am not sure whether Devuan Beowulf will have any sort of release notes, but if, it may be helpful to mention that. Otherwise we can also point to Debian release notes and say that for services, and just for services, what is written there still applies. Thanks, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Runit service depend another script not daemon
[2019-07-06 08:49] Martin Steigerwald > That said, I agree it would be good to find a way to inject runit > symlinks into packages, cause I believe it to be unlikely that many > Debian package maintainers would include runit support. However that > said, I would. True: most maintainers will not add runit support for their packages on their own, since they are not interested and there is nothing in Debian Policy to force them to do so. But there is TC decision, that maintainers /should/ accept reasonable contributions that add support for alternative init system. Given patience, they do. Side note: in Policy sysvinit is still main init system, initscripts are still (hopefully, forever) mandatory. So inclusion of runit support is matter of manpower and patches. If somebody is interested to help, nice places to start: + Bugs, user-tagged with `runscript' for `ru...@packages.debian.org' user[1] + runit bugs, and #930758 in particular: on testing in virtual machine + My work on testing of runscript upgrade via Docker: - https://salsa.debian.org/kaction/daemons - https://salsa.debian.org/kaction/acpid I am sorry to say, but it is unlikely that runit support (service directories) could be made in generic way, automatically, for following reasons: - sometimes you need more, then just execute daemon: you need to setup directories, files, permissions, etc. See patch in #930113 - different daemons have different procedures to inhibit detaching from tty. - different daemons have different procedures to force logging on stdout. Idea of converter/interpreter for systemd unit files is floating around, but nobody produced anything usable so far. [1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?which=tag===runscript=ru...@packages.debian.org=no -- Note, that I send and fetch email in batch, once in a few days. Please, mention in body of your reply when you add or remove recepients. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On Tue, Jul 09, 2019 at 07:07:20AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > > in a large enough quantity. > > > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > > random number generator of CPUs anyway? > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#entropy-starvation > > The preceding article mentions using haveged, which many consider > insecure. So for those times when *I* use systemd, I've created a > superior solution... > > I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that the > mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up entropy. > Within 10 seconds boot begins! > > I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the promise > of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast boot > to fruition. What need could there possibly be for randomness at boot time? What *use* could there even be, never mind need? -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 06:24:56 -0400, fsmithred wrote in message <72121d31-c37a-3b43-1ebb-0cb264310...@gmail.com>: > On 7/9/19 4:34 AM, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > > For the information of everyone: > > > > I would like to inform all those concerned that firefox-esr is > > causing ASCII to freeze. Getting access to a terminal is almost > > impossible. Yesterday, I had to power off the machine. I did not > > investigate why the issue is happening as the system became > > extremely unresponsive. Recalling when I used MS Windows > > 95/98/Millenium, this is worse than those. > > > > > I get the same in jessie. It starts when memory use gets to around > 75% or more. It hasn't happened to me in ascii, but the box that has > ascii also has 8G ram. > > Recently, I read something that said firefox will require 2-3G of > memory in the near future. We can look forward to more of this > happening. > > What I do when it starts to slow down is ctrl-alt-F2, log in and > start killing programs. Thunderbird is usually on that kill list, > because it takes a lot of ram, too. If I wait too long to do that, it > freezes. At some point, even sysrq keys won't work. ..I run all my browsers "nice -n 17 " or lower pri and kill 'em when they get sluggish, buys me time to do manual kills on e.g. htop, in bad cases I ssh in to kill. ..also possible to deny them cpu and memory and automate killing them as they try outgrow their resource quota, but "nice -n 17 " has worked ok for me this far. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII
you should also check if firefox is running something malicious from visited sites, like a cryptominer script. use ublock origin, noscript extensions to see differences in firefox behavior too.. maybe even run firefox with firejail, or try a new profile... --- i also use icecat occasionally, as it keeps js very limited, if not disabled at all.. better browsing experience, when websites don't break :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII
To pay my bills online I use Chromium as I have no other choice. Websites are becoming dictators as to which browser one uses. To do normal browsing, I am using Waterfox which is Firefox without the late many 'cool' additions. This experience is making me nostalgic of the times when I was using Debian Sarge and Debian Etch! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On Tue, 09 Jul 2019 10:54:46 +0200 Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > in a large enough quantity. > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > random number generator of CPUs anyway? > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#entropy-starvation The preceding article mentions using haveged, which many consider insecure. So for those times when *I* use systemd, I've created a superior solution... I loosely attach my mouse to my stationary bike in such a way that the mouse's LED shines on the stationary bike's belt, building up entropy. Within 10 seconds boot begins! I've mentioned many times that although systemd holds out the promise of fast boot, it takes someone with my skills to bring that fast boot to fruition. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII
On Tue, 9 Jul 2019 10:34:34 +0200 Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: > Please note, this post is not intended as a complaint against the > Devuan distribution. Firefox is not written by Devuan. My post should > be viewed as an advice to anyone still using firefox who would not > like to get their OS crashing. What browser do you use instead, Edward. All browsers suck, and I'm still looking for a good one. SteveT Steve Litt July 2019 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
On 7/9/19 5:07 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but just booting should not depend on entropy being available. This is enlightening: Openssh taking minutes to become available, booting takes half an hour ... because your server waits for a few bytes of randomness https://daniel-lange.com/archives/152-hello-buster.html According Daniel Systemd developers are basically getting it wrong to the maximum extent possible. Live-isos with openssh-server hang on boot while waiting for enough entropy to make new host keys. I get this with sysvinit (in Devuan). I made a live-config script to start haveged before openssh-server starts to fix it. fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII
On 7/9/19 4:34 AM, Edward Bartolo via Dng wrote: For the information of everyone: I would like to inform all those concerned that firefox-esr is causing ASCII to freeze. Getting access to a terminal is almost impossible. Yesterday, I had to power off the machine. I did not investigate why the issue is happening as the system became extremely unresponsive. Recalling when I used MS Windows 95/98/Millenium, this is worse than those. I get the same in jessie. It starts when memory use gets to around 75% or more. It hasn't happened to me in ascii, but the box that has ascii also has 8G ram. Recently, I read something that said firefox will require 2-3G of memory in the near future. We can look forward to more of this happening. What I do when it starts to slow down is ctrl-alt-F2, log in and start killing programs. Thunderbird is usually on that kill list, because it takes a lot of ram, too. If I wait too long to do that, it freezes. At some point, even sysrq keys won't work. fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 11:07: > Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > > in > > > a large enough quantity. > > > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > > random > > > number generator of CPUs anyway? > > > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-inform > > at ion.en.html#entropy-starvation > > > > is just so seriously broken I do not have any words for it. > > > > Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being > > available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but > > just booting should not depend on entropy being available. > > This is enlightening: > > Openssh taking minutes to become available, booting takes half an hour > ... because your server waits for a few bytes of randomness > > https://daniel-lange.com/archives/152-hello-buster.html > > According Daniel Systemd developers are basically getting it wrong to > the maximum extent possible. I probably better stop here, but Debian kernel developers activated trusting RDRAND CPU randomness despite the warning of Theodore T'so, the maintainer of the entropy gatherer in Linux. In above blog post: "Update: Since Linux kernel build 4.19.20-1 CONFIG_RANDOM_TRUST_CPU has been enabled by default in Debian." This means the default kernel may have become less secure, but it can be disabled without recompiling the kernel. From linux-image-4.19.0-5-amd64 changelog: linux (4.19.20-1) unstable; urgency=medium […] * random: Enable RANDOM_TRUST_CPU. This can be reverted using the kernel parameter: random.trust_cpu=off […] Actually doing just that now for my Devuan based servers. Ciao, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Martin Steigerwald - 09.07.19, 10:54: > Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available > > in > > a large enough quantity. > > > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the > > random > > number generator of CPUs anyway? > > https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-informat > ion.en.html#entropy-starvation > > is just so seriously broken I do not have any words for it. > > Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being > available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but > just booting should not depend on entropy being available. This is enlightening: Openssh taking minutes to become available, booting takes half an hour ... because your server waits for a few bytes of randomness https://daniel-lange.com/archives/152-hello-buster.html According Daniel Systemd developers are basically getting it wrong to the maximum extent possible. -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Systemd depends on random numbers in order to work properly
Martin Steigerwald - 08.07.19, 17:35: > Just another reason I am happy to use sysvinit on my systems. > > unblock: systemd/241-4 > https://bugs.debian.org/929215 > > Booting system should not depend on random numbers to be available in > a large enough quantity. > > Granted there is a processor bug involved… but why rely on the random > number generator of CPUs anyway? https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#entropy-starvation is just so seriously broken I do not have any words for it. Just *booting* the system should not depend on enough entropy being available. Starting services that need entropy may be delayed, but just booting should not depend on entropy being available. Ciao, -- Martin ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ascii netinstall problems
Hi Aitor, you was right, the url was wrong, packages-> deb, jessie-> ascii, and now everything works. Thank You On 8/7/19 17:41, m_maass wrote: > Dear Friends, > > i want to install ascii with > > packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists/jessie/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Firefox-esr freezes ASCII
For the information of everyone: I would like to inform all those concerned that firefox-esr is causing ASCII to freeze. Getting access to a terminal is almost impossible. Yesterday, I had to power off the machine. I did not investigate why the issue is happening as the system became extremely unresponsive. Recalling when I used MS Windows 95/98/Millenium, this is worse than those. Please note, this post is not intended as a complaint against the Devuan distribution. Firefox is not written by Devuan. My post should be viewed as an advice to anyone still using firefox who would not like to get their OS crashing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
