Re: [DNG] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190907.165012.d27df505.en.html

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sat, Sep 07, 2019 at 06:25:02PM +, NCW RC via Dng wrote:
> I hope I did this maillist reply correctly.  I am doing it with webmail, not 
> an email client.
> 
> > libpam-systemd depends systemd-sysv. libpam-systemd also depends
> > systemd. Devuan's libpam-elogind provides libpam-systemd but conflicts with
> > systemd which must be removed first.
> >
> > However, to get systemd uninstalled we first have to replace systemd-sysv 
> > with
> > sysvinit-core (leaving systemd installed) and reboot. systemd and elogind
> > conflict so we cannot use libpam-elogind to replace libpam-systemd *yet*.
> >
> > This is the point we need a transitional package to temporarily satisfy
> > libpam-systemd's systemd-sysv dependency whilst the system is rebooted.

It it there yet?  If not, could you let us know when it arrives?  I could 
delay my test upgrade in case it might test whether these changes work 
properly.

> >
> > After reboot, systemd is no longer PID1 so can be removed and we can then
> > complete the transition replacing libpam-systemd with libpam-elogind, 
> > removing
> > systemd and installing elogind.
> >
> > I hope that is clearer.
> >
> 
> I can get the general grasp of this information as I think a similar shim was 
> used in devuan when it was first forked.
> 
> What I found to get sysvinit-core installed was to
> -boot into the debian install, and before changing the sources list to point 
> to devuan,
> -run "apt install sysvinit-core"
> 
> then,  alter the sources.list to point to beowulf and,
> "apt update"
> "apt upgrade"
> "reboot"
> 
> No errors were noted and upon a reboot, sysvinit is running as PID1 and the 
> migration can continue in a manner similar to what it has been in the past.
> 
> Trying to install sysvinit-core after the sources.list pointed to beowulf 
> caused many problems and I never could get it done that way.
> 
> I documented my test migration of a buster Xfce install at:
> https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p17716
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[DNG] audacity 2.2. in Ascii?

[Raul Claro]

Dear Dev1ers,

    I am using Ascii very satisfactorily and do not want, for the time 
being anyway, to migrate to a newer system. But I would need to use a 
higher version of Audacity, not 2.1 any longer but rather 2.2 (or even 
2.3) if possible.  Is there anything in Devuan like the backports in 
Debian, where some later packages were made available for earlier 
versions of the OS?  Where can I find a .deb-package Audacity 2.2.?


    Thanks

    Raúl
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Re: [DNG] udisks2 - who uses it? (not a poll)

[Alessandro Selli]

On 06/09/19 at 15:23, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> In ascii, udisks2 has been devuanized to remove a dependency on
> libpam-systemd (and maybe libsystemd0, too.)
>
> The version of udisks2 in beowulf is very old compared to what's in
> buster.

  Really?  I'm on beowulf now, and I have:

ii  udisks2    2.8.1-4  amd64    D-Bus service to access and
manipulate storage devices

Same as Debian 10 (buster):

https://packages.debian.org/stable/allpackages

udisks2 (2.8.1-4)
D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices

  Latest version upstream is 2.8.4, released in Jul 22, 2019:

https://github.com/storaged-project/udisks/releases

2.8.1 was released in Sep 26, 2018.


> The version in buster depends on libpam-systemd OR libpam-elogind.
> (Also libsystemd0 OR libelogind0) Since we have libpam-elogind and
> libelogind0 in the repos, we don't really need to devuanize udisks2
> anymore. Do we?
>
> Does anyone use udisks2 who doesn't want libpam-elogind or libelogind0
> with it?

  I have them both, and I have nothing against them.

  Bye,


Alessandro




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[DNG] https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190907.165012.d27df505.en.html

[NCW RC via Dng]

I hope I did this maillist reply correctly.  I am doing it with webmail, not an 
email client.

> libpam-systemd depends systemd-sysv. libpam-systemd also depends
> systemd. Devuan's libpam-elogind provides libpam-systemd but conflicts with
> systemd which must be removed first.
>
> However, to get systemd uninstalled we first have to replace systemd-sysv with
> sysvinit-core (leaving systemd installed) and reboot. systemd and elogind
> conflict so we cannot use libpam-elogind to replace libpam-systemd *yet*.
>
> This is the point we need a transitional package to temporarily satisfy
> libpam-systemd's systemd-sysv dependency whilst the system is rebooted.
>
> After reboot, systemd is no longer PID1 so can be removed and we can then
> complete the transition replacing libpam-systemd with libpam-elogind, removing
> systemd and installing elogind.
>
> I hope that is clearer.
>

I can get the general grasp of this information as I think a similar shim was 
used in devuan when it was first forked.

What I found to get sysvinit-core installed was to
-boot into the debian install, and before changing the sources list to point to 
devuan,
-run "apt install sysvinit-core"

then,  alter the sources.list to point to beowulf and,
"apt update"
"apt upgrade"
"reboot"

No errors were noted and upon a reboot, sysvinit is running as PID1 and the 
migration can continue in a manner similar to what it has been in the past.

Trying to install sysvinit-core after the sources.list pointed to beowulf 
caused many problems and I never could get it done that way.

I documented my test migration of a buster Xfce install at:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=17716#p17716




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Re: [DNG] udisks2 - who uses it? (not a poll)

[fsmithred via Dng]

On 9/7/19 1:33 PM, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:

- Original Message - From: "fsmithred via Dng" 
To: "dng" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: [DNG] udisks2 - who uses it? (not a poll)


In ascii, udisks2 has been devuanized to remove a dependency on 
libpam-systemd (and maybe libsystemd0, too.)


The version of udisks2 in beowulf is very old compared to what's in buster.

The version in buster depends on libpam-systemd OR libpam-elogind. (Also 
libsystemd0 OR libelogind0) Since we have libpam-elogind and libelogind0 
in the repos, we don't really need to devuanize udisks2 anymore. Do we?


Does anyone use udisks2 who doesn't want libpam-elogind or libelogind0 
with it?


fsmithred (looking to reduce the work load)



I use udisks2, but I also use libpam-elogind and libelogind0

Right now I am needing this update to install other packages.

Best Regards
--
Ismael



Thanks.

Things are moving slowly now, and I have no idea when we will get the 
newer version into the repo. For now, I suggest you download udisks2 and 
libudisks2-0 from packages.debian.org and install them manually.

https://packages.debian.org/buster/udisks2

If you wait for us, you'll get the exact same packages, only it will be later.

fsmithred


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Re: [DNG] udisks2 - who uses it? (not a poll)

[Ismael L. Donis Garcia]

- Original Message - 
From: "fsmithred via Dng" 

To: "dng" 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: [DNG] udisks2 - who uses it? (not a poll)


In ascii, udisks2 has been devuanized to remove a dependency on 
libpam-systemd (and maybe libsystemd0, too.)


The version of udisks2 in beowulf is very old compared to what's in 
buster.


The version in buster depends on libpam-systemd OR libpam-elogind. (Also 
libsystemd0 OR libelogind0) Since we have libpam-elogind and libelogind0 
in the repos, we don't really need to devuanize udisks2 anymore. Do we?


Does anyone use udisks2 who doesn't want libpam-elogind or libelogind0 
with it?


fsmithred (looking to reduce the work load)



I use udisks2, but I also use libpam-elogind and libelogind0

Right now I am needing this update to install other packages.

Best Regards
--
Ismael


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Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Migrating from Buster to Beowulf - feedback needed

[fsmithred via Dng]

On 9/7/19 2:26 AM, Mark Hindley wrote:

libpam-systemd depends systemd-sysv. libpam-systemd also depends
systemd. Devuan's libpam-elogind provides libpam-systemd but conflicts with
systemd which must be removed first.

However, to get systemd uninstalled we first have to replace systemd-sysv with
sysvinit-core (leaving systemd installed) and reboot. systemd and elogind
conflict so we cannot use libpam-elogind to replace libpam-systemd *yet*.

This is the point we need a transitional package to temporarily satisfy
libpam-systemd's systemd-sysv dependency whilst the system is rebooted.

After reboot, systemd is no longer PID1 so can be removed and we can then
complete the transition replacing libpam-systemd with libpam-elogind, removing
systemd and installing elogind.

I hope that is clearer.



Kinda, sorta.

I think it's consistent with my experience of migrating buster to beowulf. 
At the time, I was ready to say that it can't be done and we shouldn't 
support it, but I did succeed after two days of messing with it. Nice to 
see you have a way to make it work smoothly.


fsmithred

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