Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 62, Issue 27
Le 25/11/2019 à 18:41, Alexander Brüning via Dng a écrit : Dear VUAs. There are experts of mailing lists management in the group of Developpers of Devuan. I wonder if it would be possible to reject emails with the kind of subject of this one. It happens often, and it was the case recently, that the subject of a thread is hijacked to start another one, unrelated. This last cae is difficult to handle automatically, but the general case of a subject being "Dng Digest, Vol *, issue *" seems to me rather simple. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Affero: was - Init Freedom inJector (was: cannot exist without the help of Debian)
il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 25-11-19 02:59:04 ha
scritto:
On Sat, 23 Nov 2019 09:54:31 + (UTC)
Alexis PM via Dng wrote:
GNU AGPL version 3 is the best.
Because? ...
I'd like to see your list of benefits vs disadvantages.
If I used an Affero program as a part of my for-profit website, would I
be requires to provide the entirety of my website code to all comers,
thereby creating competitors who are not in debt for the research and
development I used to create it? Would I need to consult a $400/hr
lawyer to answer this question? Would an Affero license put a chilling
effect on using its code to make money, and if so, would your job be
one of the victims?
I know that the same arguments could be made about GPL2's copyleft
facilities, but not to the same degree.
For me GPL is a BSD license on the network. AGPL is a GPL license on the
network. Now any program can be used online and not distributed.
Normally I use AGPL 3.0 for all my personal project because:
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/why-affero-gpl.en.html
I could make Devuan modified public repositories, modify the script and
not released it. I could add malware, and other crap or simply useful
extra features. This is obviously not the case!
But if the script is GPL is correct, but with AGPL license I must
release the script.
Substitute "I" with "multinational corporation".
That's why AGPL is important.
However this is a simple script and I don't want to pass for
megalomaniac then... (read below)
If I init my for-profit web-server using a series of Affero-licensed
daemon startup files, do I then need to supply my web code to those who
request it? Are you sure?
"Both the ordinary GNU GPL, version 3, and the GNU Affero GPL have text
allowing you to link together modules under these two licenses in one
program."
The IFJ script might be released with AGPL3, but init script with GPL
or Apache or public domain.
In this case I believe the answer to your questions is NO.
If you use a init script injected in the package (no AGPL) you don't
have to publish anything.
But if you use the script, modify it for alter package (maybe improving
the code) and make repo with altered package for others, you must
publish the code. And it seems right to me.
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Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian
il devuanizzato Steve Litt il 25-11-19 02:48:08 ha
scritto:
I wrote this summer in this list about a possibility of inject init
run scripts (for example runit) in all Devuan packages automatically.
This is a great idea. I've been in favor of something similar since
2015. It frees "upstreams" from the responsibility of maintaining init
script/configurations for init systems they don't care about or perhaps
despise. Daemon start files are written by experts on the init system.
Thanks.
Script I wrote support epoch and runit. Other init can be supported
if implemented.
Thank you so much for remembering Epoch! It's excellent and fast.
Yes I thank you because I did not know Epoch until I read this:
http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/init/manjaro_experiments.htm
Although Epoch was last maintained in 2016, it was the fastest and
easiest init to configure, and my experience was that it was in the
same ballpark, boot time wise, as systemd and runit.
I confirm all!
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Re: [DNG] Foramail
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:14:57 +0100 Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:21:33 +0100, Stephane wrote in message > : > > > Arnt Karlsen > [...] > > > > Hi, this is very interesting, but I can't see how it may be used to > > split a specific digest in my Thunderbird > > ..you can't (AFAIK), you do it outside your MUA, with e.g.: > 'cat $DIGEST |formail +1 -ds procmail ', then chk your MUA > for the "new messages" from your $DIGEST Claws Mail's "actions" let you pipe messages to the shell; I use it e.g. with munpack to extract embedded images from "apple mail" messages. If TB doesn't have a similar feature, I'd bet that there exists an add-on. libre Grüße, Florian pgpBP6Yxjpino.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rick, On 26/11/19 3:22 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > and just let the two or three users of that mode curse me > as long as they feel is therapeutic. Love it! Great way to deal with it. On 26/11/19 8:33 pm, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..anotherway is point them to 'info formail' and make them pick one > of: EXAMPLES To split up a digest one usually uses: formail +1 -ds > >>the_mailbox_of_your_choice or formail +1 -ds procmail > And for the formail, guess that's best for on the server like .forward files are. Not at the TB (thunderbird) client end. Might need mb2md as well although TB can do maildir format for client storage these days, I wanted that a long time ago, but am not using it and don't expect to now. Cheers A. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iHUEAREIAB0WIQTJAoMHtC6YydLfjUOoFmvLt+/i+wUCXd1B4AAKCRCoFmvLt+/i +xojAP4+4xSZdwEhViz6lQUiUl6G1li4Ecnn/8Erg2OvEQ2O8QEA3GZURj7sGam+ cCbqsybPku8MmuW5K4zVLuCk81VWcJw= =U7Me -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Foramail
On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:21:33 +0100, Stephane wrote in message : > Arnt Karlsen > >To split up a digest one usually uses: > > formail +1 -ds >>the_mailbox_of_your_choice > >or > > formail +1 -ds procmail > > Hi, this is very interesting, but I can't see how it may be used to > split a specific digest in my Thunderbird ..you can't (AFAIK), you do it outside your MUA, with e.g.: 'cat $DIGEST |formail +1 -ds procmail ', then chk your MUA for the "new messages" from your $DIGEST -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Foramail
Arnt Karlsen To split up a digest one usually uses: formail +1 -ds >>the_mailbox_of_your_choice or formail +1 -ds procmail Hi, this is very interesting, but I can't see how it may be used to split a specific digest in my Thunderbird -- Cordialement, Stephane Ascoet ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan cannot exist without the help of Debian
On Mon, 25 Nov 2019 20:22:04 -0800, Rick wrote in message <20191126042203.gf6...@linuxmafia.com>: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > I know digest mode is handy, but please be careful in your handling > > thereof. I have no idea who dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org is, but *I* > > wrote the preceding, and my email is sl...@troubleshooters.com. > > Also, please take the extra second to copy the correct subject line > > to your response. > > This happens _all the time_ with digest mode, and (intending no > offence to Alexander) in my experience you cannot get its users to > manually fix attributions or Subject headers. > > Digest mode also completely bollixes threading in the archives (see: > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/dng.en.html) _and_ elsewhere. For > this reason, I've given serious consideration to just > blanket-disabling digest mode on every Mailman installation I > administer, and just let the two or three users of that mode curse me > as long as they feel is therapeutic. ..anotherway is point them to 'info formail' and make them pick one of: EXAMPLES To split up a digest one usually uses: formail +1 -ds >>the_mailbox_of_your_choice or formail +1 -ds procmail -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
