Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen
On 25/12/19 5:17 pm, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Andrew McGlashan via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > >> Although I don't expect to win pissing contests (especially with >> Rick), I tend to decide that the other opinion /may/ be true or not >> and simply beg to differ when there is clear relevance on both sides >> of the argument, ending any potential and wasteful continued posts >> about the matter. > > Besides, we're both such jolly old elfs, who instinctively shy away from > conflict, that such contention would never arise in the first place. > > Season's Greetings, Andrew! All the best to you and yours. > > (Relevant to your point, my late Mom had a beautiful way to terminate > just about any disputatious discussion: She would say to the other > party 'Well, you _may_ be right', and then calmly walk away.) Well said Rick, and your Mom. Season's Greetings to you and yours and everyone else here too. A little warm here in AU, but nice, it'll be hotter later in the week. Cheers A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen
Quoting Andrew McGlashan via Dng (dng@lists.dyne.org): > Although I don't expect to win pissing contests (especially with > Rick), I tend to decide that the other opinion /may/ be true or not > and simply beg to differ when there is clear relevance on both sides > of the argument, ending any potential and wasteful continued posts > about the matter. Besides, we're both such jolly old elfs, who instinctively shy away from conflict, that such contention would never arise in the first place. Season's Greetings, Andrew! All the best to you and yours. (Relevant to your point, my late Mom had a beautiful way to terminate just about any disputatious discussion: She would say to the other party 'Well, you _may_ be right', and then calmly walk away.) -- Cheers, "Maybe the law ain’t perfect, but it’s the only Rick Moenone we got, and without it we got nuthin'." r...@linuxmafia.com -- U.S. Deputy Marshal Bass Reeves, circa 1875 McQ! (4x80) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] :-) Don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen
Hi, On 19/12/19 10:27 pm, Steve Litt wrote: > My advice, don't get into a pissing contest with Rick Moen: You'll > lose. I know, I've lost many times. Rick and I are actually good > friends, but when we disagree, we get in a pissing contest, and I'm > always the guy ending up dripping wet. > > If he writes sarcastic stuff to you, just let it alone. He won't keep > pursuing the point. He takes his shot and moves on to other things, > unless the other guy responds. I'm sure plenty do that, me included. If you make a valid point and it gets argued, then argue until it stops or your argument (or theirs) is falling on death ears ... or you just give up, then move on. Although I don't expect to win pissing contests (especially with Rick), I tend to decide that the other opinion /may/ be true or not and simply beg to differ when there is clear relevance on both sides of the argument, ending any potential and wasteful continued posts about the matter. Cheers A. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] With popcorn, sender address not recognized
Every once in a while I get this message: > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:31:09 -0500 > From: Mail Delivery System > To: r...@engels.histomat.net > Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender > > [-- Attachment #1 --] > [-- Type: text/plain, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.5K --] > > This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. > > A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its > recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) > failed: > > sur...@popcon.devuan.org >host mail.guardedhost.com [2607:fe90:1:1::1e] > SMTP error from remote mail server after pipelined MAIL > +FROM: SIZE=27816 AUTH=r...@engels.histomat.net: > 553 5.7.1 : Sender address rejected: >not owned by user bro...@historicalmaterialism.info > > [-- Attachment #2 --] > [-- Type: message/delivery-status, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 0.3K --] > > Reporting-MTA: dns; engels.histomat.net > > Action: failed > Final-Recipient: rfc822;sur...@popcon.devuan.org > Status: 5.0.0 > Remote-MTA: dns; mail.guardedhost.com > Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 553 5.7.1 : Sender address > rejected: > +not owned by user bro...@historicalmaterialism.info > > [-- Attachment #3 --] > [-- Type: message/rfc822, Encoding: 7bit, Size: 25K --] > > Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2019 14:31:08 -0500 > From: root > To: sur...@popcon.devuan.org > Subject: popularity-contest submission > > -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- > ... Although this is an email address issue, it only happens with popcorn, and so I suspect the popcorn appolication is doing something wrong. I don't have problems with emails to others. I'm running Beowulf and using mutt as mailer. The mail.guardedhost.com is my mail server. It seems popcorn is sending its message from r...@histomat.net, but this address not owned by user. The diagnostic code saeems to say that the d...@list.dyne.org recipient does not recognize r...@histomat.net. Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] frozen messages from dng-bounces
On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 07:55:27AM +1100, terryc wrote: > Just my 2c. > > On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 07:51:40 -0500 > Haines Brown wrote: > > > I periodically get frozen messages alerts from dng-bounces. Sometimes > > several in a day; sometimes every few days. The time of the message > > is random. ... > So, in summary, it is a setting in your mailer that creates the error > messages. As a guess you need to relax a time parameter in that your > mailer is closing receipt of header too quickly or the link is dropping > out. In .muttrc, I changed set time inc=250 to inc=500 ms, and that seems to have solved the problem. Thanks. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ASCII 2.1 netinst, upgrade to Beowulf
Hi all, Just want to report a successful install of a basic ASCII system on a Dell Vostro 3360, followed by an equally successful upgrade to Beowulf. My Vostro was a bit odd in that it has a 32GB SSD as /dev/sdb and a 500GB HDD as /dev/sda. The BIOS only lets one boot from /dev/sda. That notwithstanding, I put / on /dev/sdb :-) As long as you take care to install GRUB in the MBR of /dev/sda that works fine. My only gripe about the ASCII installer was that it let me select an init system that was not included in the netinst image that I used. I prefer to do air-gapped installs and set up the network afterwards (once I have a deny-all packet filter going) so there was no way for the installer to go fetch openrc :-/ # Not really a gripe but something to be aware of, if you forego the # setting of a root password, you will be able to use sudo to elevate # your privileges for maintenance work but you will *not* be able to # boot in recovery mode :-o With the ASCII base system installed, I apt-mark'd all packages as automatically installed, told APT to auto-remove any packages that were merely recommended or suggested (and to not bother installing any of those in the future). Then I apt-mark'd a few packages that I really need/want as manually installed and `apt auto-remove`d. In terms of APT configuration settings, that looks like APT::AutoRemove::SuggestsImportant "false"; APT::AutoRemove::RecommendsImportant "false"; APT::Install-Suggests "false"; APT::Install-Recommends "false"; APT::Get::AutomaticRemove "true"; APT::Get::Purge "true"; Mind you, this is not exactly for the faint of heart. Following that, I set up networking and APT sources to point to beowulf and upgraded. Worked like a charm. I have since installed task-xfce-desktop, pared that down to a minimal set of manually installed packages and am now trying to figure out what's needed to allow the logged in desktop user to shutdown/reboot. There has been a fair bit of change in this area in the last couple of months and I am much confused as to where beowulf is heading in terms of display manager (slim? lightdm?) and policy management solution of choice (consolekit? polkit? elogin?). Hints welcome in the mean time. # For the time being at least, I'm using slim (w/ xscreensaver, way too # retro these days ;-) and seem to be using polkit with elogind. There # are no consolekit packages on my system. # Wait! I just noticed libck-connector0. # Hmm, I see I have libpolkit-gobject-elogind-1-0 installed but no # libpolkit-backend-elogind-1-0. Is that a/the problem? Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Where to coordinate OpenRC and Beowulf
Hi Thomas, Thomas Groman via Dng writes: > Where can I go to find out information on what is there left to do to > release Beowulf, and also I cannot help you with this directly but check out or ask on devuan-dev. I also wanted to note that the openrc package needs to be added to the netinst installer image. # This is based on doing an air-gapped ASCII (2.1) netinst install, # selecting openrc and later discovering that sysvinit was silently # installed anyway :-/ # If openrc is not available installing sysvinit is fair enough but at # least complain about it or don't give users the choice ;-) > What is the state of OpenRC? I would like to start submitting > openrc-run native init scripts to the system as I use OpenRC > exclusively, but I've got no idea where to put them, submit them, or > even where to go to get this information and coordinate on the > development. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Where to coordinate OpenRC and Beowulf
Where can I go to find out information on what is there left to do to release Beowulf, and also What is the state of OpenRC? I would like to start submitting openrc-run native init scripts to the system as I use OpenRC exclusively, but I've got no idea where to put them, submit them, or even where to go to get this information and coordinate on the development. -- pgpP64yt8YOUh.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
