[DNG] We need upgrade reports
Hi fsmithred, where would you like those upgrade reports sent to? Sincerely R. G. Sidler ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] [SOLVED] Re: Frontend of simple-netaid
Hi, On 31/12/19 19:50, Aitor wrote: Hi again, Anybody can explain me why the toolbar of simple-netaid is hidden in the following code? http://gnuinos.org/examples/simple-netaid/ You can download the sources from here: http://gnuinos.org/examples/simple-netaid/simple-netaid.tar.gz You need to install cmake and libgtkmm-2.4-dev. I wrote the following script in my "/usr/bin": #!/bin/sh path=$(pwd) rm -f $path/simple-netaid rm -rf $path/build-area mkdir $path/build-area cd $path/build-area cmake ../ make exit 0 Just run it in the parent directory of the sources. I'll also ask tomorrow about this issue in the gtkmm mailing list. Cheers, and happy new year :) Aitor. I solved the issue this morning and uploaded the new code to the same links above. Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')
On 12/31/19 9:16 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 16:01:11 -0500, fsmithred wrote in message <56853e51-735a-8e18-1f44-f6ae3fb6c...@gmail.com>: CenturionDan posted this in irc a few days ago: " with the 4.19 kernel LVM requires udev to be running and /run/udev to exist in order for root on LV and other initramfs mounted volumes to be mounted.." ..is this a systemd-ism directed against LVM users? I ran into this issue on some fresh installs earlier this year and had to create and mount /run/udev in a chroot to get grub to install. fsr I don't know where it came from, but I did a fresh install yesterday from a 2.1 iso, used guided partitioning for encrypted lvm, all files in one partition (with separate /boot), lxqt desktop, and then dist-upgraded it to beowulf. On the first 'apt dist-upgrade' there were some conflicts with java libraries for libreoffice. That was resolved with 'apt --fix-broken install' and another dist-upgrade. elogind, libelogind0 and libpam-elogind were held back. 'apt install elogind=241.3-1' fixed that (and libsystemd0 got removed.) There were no issues with the encrypted lvm except for the shutdown delay, which is a well-known problem. fsmithred ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports
On 12/31/19 4:49 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: All upgraded since some months, no problems so far. Nik Was that with kde desktop by any chance? (One less for me to do?) fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports
On 1/1/20 3:48 AM, R. G. Sidler wrote: Hi fsmithred, where would you like those upgrade reports sent to? Sincerely R. G. Sidler I guess this list is best; then we can compare notes. Thanks. fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:58:10PM -0500, fsmithred via Dng wrote:
> Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production system
> to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not the real
> thing.
Did the upgrade in June ñto Beowuld with fluxbox rather than desktop,
and subsequently upgraded Beowulf twice. No major problems. The
following may not be real problems, but thought best to throw them
out for consideration. I initially had the problem of
occassionally being unable to close a terminal (mlterm), but no longer.
1. .xsession-errors:
xmodmap: unable to open file '/home/haines/.Xmodmap' for reading. Why
no config file?
07:38:37.106 [AWT-EventQueue-0] WARN net.sf.jabref.JabRefGUI - There
seem to be problems with OpenJDK and the default GTK Look&Feel. Using
Metal L&F instead. Change to another L&F with caution.
console.error: itdmanager:
error
Message: TypeError: session.kill.days.failed is not a function
ALSA lib pcm.c:8424:(snd_pcm_recover) underrun occurred
ERROR alsa.cc:525 [pause]: snd_pcm_pause failed: Input/output error.
ERROR alsa.cc:525 [pause]: snd_pcm_pause failed: File descriptor in
bad state.
2. dmesg errors
[1272146.575622] ata3.00: error: { ICRC ABRT }
[1272147.052672] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#11 Add. Sense: Scsi parity
error
[1272147.052680] print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 292808664
res 43/84:08:f8:5a:d2/00:00:25:00:00/00
Emask 0x410 (ATA bus error)
[4297652.707343] sd 2:0:0:0: [sdb] tag#19 Add. Sense: Scsi parity
error
[4297652.707349] print_req_error: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 747789456
3. fetcmail
The new fetchmail 6.4.0 may have problems. It seeks an SSL
certificate and, finding none, breaks the connection. I worked
around this by inserting the line 'sslproto " ' into
.fetchmailrc.
4. exim
The file /etc/exim4/passwd.client could not be read by exim. It
was -rw-r- 1 root saned 653 Oct 29 12:17 passwd.client
and since I'm in saned group, I should be able to read it. I
changed permissions to -rw-r--r-- to get SMTP authentication.
5. bluetooth
In syslog: Nov 22 06:42:04 engels brltty[724]: DBus error: send
message: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name
org.bluez was not provided by any .service file
Solution was to install bluez
6. dmesg
I find that $ sudo sysctl -w kernel.dmesg_restrict=0 enables
user to run dmesg, but my impression this does not survive a reboot.
Can't reboot now to check.
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Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 1 Jan 08:00:22 -0500 fsmithred via Dng scripsit: > On 12/31/19 4:49 PM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > All upgraded since some months, no problems so far. > > > > Nik > > > > Was that with kde desktop by any chance? (One less for me to do?) No, I use TDE (http://trinitydesktop.org) - I droped KDE ages ago when it was promoted to 4.X - more clutter, less freedom .. Nik > > fsr > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'
On 12/31/19 7:46 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Tue, 31 Dec 2019 17:00:39 + (UTC) Alexis PM via Dng wrote: >Many years ago, on this mailing list, one of the VUAs mentioned that the long term plan was to leave Debian behind and become the Devuan independent distro. I am sorry to burst the soap bubble, I want Devuan to persist and that requires a realistic analysis. Why apologize, and then do it anyway? Cleaning up systemd dependencies to Debian packaging is child's play compared to creating and maintaining a large self-built distro in the long run. [snip several legitimate arguments supporting preceding sentence] A quick look indicates you've been on this list since December 2016. The Vua made this statement well prior to December 2016. Your arguments favoring perpetual tracking of Debian were all excellent. There's exactly one argument favoring an independent Devuan: What happens if Debian stops supporting sysvinit, or worse, installs Halloween Code to greatly complicate systemd replacement? Hi maybe we repackge sysvinit as systemd with a higher version number ? So no cleanup needed. Ciao, Tito SteveT Steve Litt December 2019 featured book: Rapid Learning for the 21st Century http://www.troubleshooters.com/rl21 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports
Re:[DNG] We need upgrade reports On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 8:58 PM fsmithred via Dng wrote: > Please upgrade your highly customized and configured ascii production > system to beowulf and tell us if it works. Okay, DO THIS ON A COPY, not > the real thing. > > I've upgraded standard no-X systems, xfce and mate desktops, and those > went smoothly. We need more data points. > > Thanks, > fsmithred > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I upgraded from Jessie to Ascii to Beowulf and was bitten by this bug https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=924580. Everything else works fine so far. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Can we fix this DMARC thing?
Hi Steve In the DMARC FAQ, Section "Receiver Questions" they say: "If emails from mailing lists are important to your users, you may therefore consider to apply specific rules for emails coming from mailing lists." [1] This is the situation right now with the DNG list: It's up to the people who do DMARC checking on the receiving end to not deny mails from the list. If a mail administrator decides to do DMARC checking on incoming mail the DMARC people advise to take special measures like "a sort of whitelist". Their tips on operating a compatible mailing list is not satisfying, all listed solutions [2] have "Cons". The best option in my opinion is to follow 3.C. This could be achieved with an ARC seal [3]. The exim-user mailing list uses this technique and it seems to work. I don't see your point of accidentally sending to the list when using "reply to sender". DNG does not change the From header. It adds an Envelope-Sender address which is correct. You might should check your Claws Mail, that it does use the From-Adress and not the Enveloppe-From for replies. What might be wrong with vm6.ganeti.dyne.org is its ability to check DKIM signatures. I have not found one that this host recognises as valid. This seems to be the receiving host for mails to the list. It should be able to successfully verify DKIM signatures before passing on a message to mailman. Regards, Adrian. [1] https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#Is_there_special_handling_required_to_receive_DMARC_email_from_mailing_lists.3F [2] https://dmarc.org/wiki/FAQ#I_operate_a_mailing_list_and_I_want_to_interoperate_with_DMARC.2C_what_should_I_do.3F [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authenticated_Received_Chain ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'
>Many years ago, on this mailing list, one of the VUAs mentioned that >the long term plan was to leave Debian behind and become the Devuan >independent distro. I am sorry to burst the soap bubble, I want Devuan to persist and that requires a realistic analysis. Cleaning up systemd dependencies to Debian packaging is child's play compared to creating and maintaining a large self-built distro in the long run. The idea of an independent Devuan not based on Debian may be the imaginary fantasy of some people (not me), but it is unrealistic. Creating, but more importantly maintaining, a medium or large distro over the years is a huge job. Debian is around 1500 maintainers and it is noticeable that more person-hours would be needed to maintain it (delays in packaging new versions, delays in attending to bug reports, ...). Devuan has 1/100 that number of maintainers, and its human capacity is limited to hardly achieve to modify a small number of packages of each Debian release (task that is delayed months). For experiments there are already other distros, like Hyperbola. If the name of Devuan ended up deriving to a Hyperbola type distro, it would be necessary to remake a new Devuan in the original (current) sense: based on the veteran and stable distro that Debian is but removing the systemd dependencies. Best regards! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] We need upgrade reports
On 12/31/19 9:58 PM, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > I've upgraded standard no-X systems openrc, no-X, task-console-productivity, luks . dist-upgraded from fresh 2.1 release to beowulf. got a segmanation fault during openrc configuration on upgrade and install failed.. no screenshots available, but it had something to do with lvm2. so, upgraded lvm2 first, and everything else upgraded smoothly afterwards. i also remember dist-upgrade, bringing in libsystemd0 (not sure why), but after manual installation of libelogind0 it was gone. d. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Sort-of one-off thanks message
Thank you for those precious steps on how to swap a kernel version in an ISO! It will sure prove valuable to some people in the future. I wish I had known how to do that a month ago in order to install ascii on a Dell Latitude 7400, which Intel network chipset was not handled by the shipped kernel. Had to do buster -> beowulf (had not put my hand on any beowulf ISO), and... and due to some more difficulties, had to start from a minimal buster which proved problematic in the end :oD Glad to read you're joining us, and glad to read you're here to stay! Bernard Rosset https://rosset.net/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Sort-of one-off thanks message
Bernard Rosset via Dng writes: > Thank you for those precious steps on how to swap a kernel version in > an ISO! [...] Something I should have mentioned as well: The installation kernel needs (at least) support for initramfs/initrd, the RAM block device and devtmpfs compiled in order to boot the installation system. The (non-expert) install option is also very helpful here because it suppresses the stack backtrace which gets normally printed in case of a kernel panic which means the actual error message (at the beginning of the output) remains visible (instead of the generic "cannot mount root filesystem" at the end of it). ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd'
Switching base is not possible so long as people like me don't contribute to the development. So, it is not an option. Maybe when enough people jump in and start helping the current current developers it could be done. From my point of view, as a sysadmin, Jessie being 2 years late was no biggie, because when I moved to Devuan Jessie (from Debian Wheezy), I had a working system I could depend on. Having the latest and greatest is fine for workstations. For servers, I want stable and bulletproof. Rod On 12/30/2019 03:53 PM, fsmithred via Dng wrote: > On 12/29/19 10:46 PM, tom wrote: >> >> I know Devuan has been pretty much more or less 'to create a binary >> compatible Debian but without systemd', but at what point would it be >> determined that the best course of action may be to leave Debian behind >> and continue our own way? Probably won't happen any time soon due to >> manpower issues but it's worth thinking about. >> > > One way to measure that might be to see if we start falling farther > behind debian. Right now, we're still catching up. > > Jessie was 2 years late. > Ascii was 1 year late. > Beowulf is 6 months late. > > Any talk of switching our base is premature. > > fsmithred > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Catching up (was Re: Result of the Debian vote 'General Resolution: Init systems and systemd')
Hi, fsmithred via Dng writes: > On 12/31/19 12:06 PM, Andrew McGlashan via Dng wrote: > >> So how long before we can expect to get stable release of Beowulf? >> Is there a reasonable timeline available yet? > > About the only thing left to do is make the isos, and we're working on > that. Meanwhile, upgrades from ascii seem to be pretty smooth. Cool! But when making isos, just make sure openrc is included in the netinst image. For ASCII, it wasn't, making openrc a non-option for air-gapped installs. Upgrading from a fresh, minimal (no recommends) ASCII install w/o any extra software worked fine for me. If one is going to upgrade right after the ASCII install anyway, not installing extra software during the initial install saves you lots of bandwidth. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
