Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: The real reason I like Linux
Hi, On 13/3/20 4:24, onefang wrote: After implementing some of their protocols, I started calling FreeDesktop.Org FatDesktop.Obscenities. After reading some comments on this thread, i decided to develop also another interface of simple-netaid without X-Windows. And I started it this morning using the CDK (Curses Development Kit), based on ncurses: https://tldp.org/HOWTO/NCURSES-Programming-HOWTO/ For now, there will be the following packages of simple-netaid: - libnetaid (the shared library). - simple-netaid-cdk (using ncurses). - simple-netaid-gtk (using gtk2, and maybe also gtk3). I wonder if i should also work on another interface developed in qt5... What do you think about? Cheers, Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux
I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > involves programming, and most people can't > do that. > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend help > do it)? Really. There is no way on earth that the average computer user could even come close to writing a program or script and this applies to most of their friends too. Some people might be able to use a macro recorder or a graphical tool that allows them to assemble functional blocks to create a script, but even that much would be too much for most end users in my experience. End users want to use, to consume. Creating/programming is not in their mindset. It strikes me that back when I first got into computers (the early 80s), there was a sense of optimism that the rapid growth of widely affordable technology would result in a new golden era of technical literacy. Oh dear, how naive. Instead, the techies, geeks and entrepreneurs made technology *easier*. We made it so that it was easier for end users to consume, to use what was offered to them. There was no need for the non-technical end users to learn anything. It all just works. Or, if it doesn't work, they throw it away and try something else. And so that golden age of technical literacy has never really arrived. What we have now is billions of consumers and, proportionately speaking, fewer and fewer people who actually know how it all works. Thus, the average user (even the average Linux user, I suspect) is not going to be scripting stuff any time soon (other than maybe by typing in stuff they Googled). -- Mark Rousell ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [SPAM] Re: The real reason I like Linux
Quoting aitor (aitor_...@gnuinos.org): > I wonder if i should also work on another interface developed in qt5... > > What do you think about? Maybe a version with a gratuitous dependency on gnome-libs? (I'm kidding, I'm kidding.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux
On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 15:08:37 + Mark Rousell wrote: > I am not opposing your central message in any way, but... > > On 13/03/2020 02:59, Steve Litt wrote: > > involves programming, and most people can't > > do that. > > > > Oh really? 12 lines of code and they can't do it (or have a friend > > help do it)? > > Really. There is no way on earth that the average computer user could > even come close to writing a program or script and this applies to > most of their friends too. > > Some people might be able to use a macro recorder or a graphical tool > that allows them to assemble functional blocks to create a script, but > even that much would be too much for most end users in my experience. > End users want to use, to consume. Creating/programming is not in > their mindset. > > > It strikes me that back when I first got into computers (the early > 80s), there was a sense of optimism that the rapid growth of widely > affordable technology would result in a new golden era of technical > literacy. Oh dear, how naive. > > Instead, the techies, geeks and entrepreneurs made technology > *easier*. We made it so that it was easier for end users to consume, > to use what was offered to them. There was no need for the > non-technical end users to learn anything. It all just works. Or, if > it doesn't work, they throw it away and try something else. And so > that golden age of technical literacy has never really arrived. What > we have now is billions of consumers and, proportionately speaking, > fewer and fewer people who actually know how it all works. > > Thus, the average user (even the average Linux user, I suspect) is not > going to be scripting stuff any time soon (other than maybe by typing > in stuff they Googled). > I strongly feel like this kind of user should stay away from Linux and just use Windows. When those kind of users displace the original user-base of literate people they start making the system as a whole worse for the core community who built the thing in the first place. -- ___ / That woman speaks eight languages and \ | can't say "no" in any of them.| | | \ -- Dorothy Parker / --- \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
