Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On 3/21/20 8:08 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > I need audio, video, and the ability to show what's on my screen. jitsi meet can do all that. and plenty of instances around (especially these days). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 09:13:40 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 20, 2020, Steve Litt wrote: > > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? > > Ew, no. IRC, Usenet, and mailing lists. > I need audio, video, and the ability to show what's on my screen. Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] discord is spyware
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 22:21:59 -0700 tom wrote: > the company > behind it previously called OpenFeint and Hammer & Chisel has been > under a class action lawsuit in the state of California for > various violations of consumer privacy, fraud, and abuse. https://archive.org/details/OpenfeintComplaint/mode/2up -- _ / We don't claim Interactive EasyFlow is \ | good for anything -- if you think it| | is, great, but it's up to you to| | decide. If Interactive EasyFlow doesn't | | work: tough. If you lose a million | | because Interactive EasyFlow messes up, | | it's you that's out the million, not| | us. If you don't like this disclaimer: | | tough. We reserve the right to do the | | absolute minimum provided by law, up to | | and including nothing. | | | | This is basically the same disclaimer | | that comes with all software packages, | | but ours is in plain English and theirs | | is in legalese. | | | | We didn't really want to include any| | disclaimer at all, but our lawyers | | insisted. We tried to ignore them but | | they threatened us with the attack | | shark at which point we relented. | | | | -- Haven Tree Software Limited, | \ "Interactive EasyFlow" / - \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] discord is spyware
On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:55:21 +1000 onefang wrote: > On 2020-03-21 15:44:10, terryc wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:38:32 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? > > > > Yes, in the sense that I can join such for various groups like > > games, etc where someone else has paid for the server. > > > > Best I've managed is to follow the text chat and swap between > > discussion groups on "the server" and occasionally I manage to > > receive audio. but not send. Nor have I ever received a video feed, > > but I believe that requires a subscription > > > > I do not know whether this depends on having pulse audio, but I > > only use alsa. > > > > I do not particularly like Discord as it doesn't turn off/exi and I > > have to hunt down and kill the daemon and some of he severs tend to > > use pesterpost to continually send messages about "what you > > missed". Not my scene. > > > > Usenet & IRC serves me fine, when I want it. > > > > Although I was looking last night for linux based > > "conference/meeting software that I might be able to run to host > > free local discussions/"virtual meetings" for various local > > community groups shut down by Sars-cov2/covid-19 virus, but the few > > were all . > > There are things like Jitsi (used by the Devuan developers), OpenSim > (used by me), or plain old Jabber / XMPP (also used by me) if you only > need text. Jitsi is a combination of video and text, though I think > the text bit is handled be the Prosody Jabber / XMPP server. OpenSim > is a 3d virtual world, I have worked for a company that offers > business meeting services using it and VR (I added the VR bit). > No, I do not use Discord. Discord is spyware https://spyware.neocities.org/articles/discord.html and the company behind it previously called OpenFeint and Hammer & Chisel has been under a class action lawsuit in the state of California for various violations of consumer privacy, fraud, and abuse. If you browse archive.org you can find discord's old website and with the privacy link if you click it directs you here: https://web.archive.org/web/20150215003920/http://hammerandchisel.com/privacy/ >Disclosure of Your Personal Information >In connection with any merger or sale of Hammer & Chisel assets, or a >financing or acquisition of all or a portion of our business to >another company >Please note that we may share aggregate or anonymous information about >you with advertisers, publishers, business partners, sponsors, and >other third parties. >Advertisements >We may feature advertisements on our Service served by third parties. >These advertisers may collect and use information about your visits to >our Service in order to provide advertisements about goods and services >of interest to you. I use the Open Source Mumble and XMPP with the psi-plus client. Maybe one day Jingle support will mature in psi-plus and I could use that, but until then Mumble works pretty good. In fact I'd even call it studio quality with the right microphone and signal processing combination. I also hear Jitsi and SIP is good for videocalls. -- _ / We don't claim Interactive EasyFlow is \ | good for anything -- if you think it| | is, great, but it's up to you to| | decide. If Interactive EasyFlow doesn't | | work: tough. If you lose a million | | because Interactive EasyFlow messes up, | | it's you that's out the million, not| | us. If you don't like this disclaimer: | | tough. We reserve the right to do the | | absolute minimum provided by law, up to | | and including nothing. | | | | This is basically the same disclaimer | | that comes with all software packages, | | but ours is in plain English and theirs | | is in legalese. | | | | We didn't really want to include any| | disclaimer at all, but our lawyers | | insisted. We tried to ignore them but | | they threatened us with the attack | | shark at which point we relented. | | | | -- Haven Tree Software Limited, | \ "Interactive EasyFlow" / - \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 05:33:04 -0400 Dan Purgert wrote: > On Mar 19, 2020, tom wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > > > What, then, is so bad about PCI? Or hell, even ISA? > > > > > > Sure, it's super-limiting in terms of what you can buy off the > > > shelf -- but then again, so was the "compatible with Arduino(tm)" > > > market 5-10 years ago (and now look at that mess!) > > > > > > I guess what I'm trying to ask is what would be so bad about a > > > "RISC-V Hobby Linux Machine(tm)" only offering these "older" > > > peripheral connectivity interfaces in interests of being > > > inexpensive and also preserving end-user freedom? > > > > > > Or ... maybe I'm just a bit crazier than I thought. > > > > > > > Nothing wrong with that in of itself, it's just a bit odd to pair a > > RISCV cpu with only slow peripherals. Now there are RISCV > > microcontrollers you can buy that don't have an MMU so you can't run > > Linux on them, and they have all the IO you'd come to expect on a > > microcontroller, however if you want to run Linux or some other > > similar multitasking OS like NetBSD it probably makes a lot more > > sense to choose something aarch64 based purely do to how good and > > mature aarch64's IO capabilities are. > > Either I'm just horrific at asking (good) questions; or there's > something here that you're saying that I simply don't understand. > > > [...] > > But back to your question why not RISCV with slow IO. That's like of > > like pairing a Ferrari with a horse trailer. There are much better > > options out there for pulling horse trailers than sports cars. > > Sure, but if all you have is the Ferrari, and the trailer needs to get > pulled... > > > > Sorry, can you clarify or rephrase what you asking? -- _ / We don't claim Interactive EasyFlow is \ | good for anything -- if you think it| | is, great, but it's up to you to| | decide. If Interactive EasyFlow doesn't | | work: tough. If you lose a million | | because Interactive EasyFlow messes up, | | it's you that's out the million, not| | us. If you don't like this disclaimer: | | tough. We reserve the right to do the | | absolute minimum provided by law, up to | | and including nothing. | | | | This is basically the same disclaimer | | that comes with all software packages, | | but ours is in plain English and theirs | | is in legalese. | | | | We didn't really want to include any| | disclaimer at all, but our lawyers | | insisted. We tried to ignore them but | | they threatened us with the attack | | shark at which point we relented. | | | | -- Haven Tree Software Limited, | \ "Interactive EasyFlow" / - \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On 2020-03-21 15:44:10, terryc wrote: > On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:38:32 -0400 > Steve Litt wrote: > > > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? > > Yes, in the sense that I can join such for various groups like games, > etc where someone else has paid for the server. > > Best I've managed is to follow the text chat and swap between > discussion groups on "the server" and occasionally I manage to receive > audio. but not send. Nor have I ever received a video feed, but I > believe that requires a subscription > > I do not know whether this depends on having pulse audio, but I only use > alsa. > > I do not particularly like Discord as it doesn't turn off/exi and I have > to hunt down and kill the daemon and some of he severs tend to use > pesterpost to continually send messages about "what you missed". Not my > scene. > > Usenet & IRC serves me fine, when I want it. > > Although I was looking last night for linux based "conference/meeting > software that I might be able to run to host free local > discussions/"virtual meetings" for various local community groups shut > down by Sars-cov2/covid-19 virus, but the few were all . There are things like Jitsi (used by the Devuan developers), OpenSim (used by me), or plain old Jabber / XMPP (also used by me) if you only need text. Jitsi is a combination of video and text, though I think the text bit is handled be the Prosody Jabber / XMPP server. OpenSim is a 3d virtual world, I have worked for a company that offers business meeting services using it and VR (I added the VR bit). -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On Fri, 20 Mar 2020 08:38:32 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? Yes, in the sense that I can join such for various groups like games, etc where someone else has paid for the server. Best I've managed is to follow the text chat and swap between discussion groups on "the server" and occasionally I manage to receive audio. but not send. Nor have I ever received a video feed, but I believe that requires a subscription I do not know whether this depends on having pulse audio, but I only use alsa. I do not particularly like Discord as it doesn't turn off/exi and I have to hunt down and kill the daemon and some of he severs tend to use pesterpost to continually send messages about "what you missed". Not my scene. Usenet & IRC serves me fine, when I want it. Although I was looking last night for linux based "conference/meeting software that I might be able to run to host free local discussions/"virtual meetings" for various local community groups shut down by Sars-cov2/covid-19 virus, but the few were all . ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] AMD Ryzen?
On Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:24:27 +0100 Antony Stone wrote: > Hi. > > Does anyone here have experience of running Devuan on AMD Ryzen CPUs? Aps, a bit slow. We had a pair of these; processor : 3 vendor_id : AuthenticAMD cpu family : 23 model : 17 model name : AMD Ryzen 3 2200G with Radeon Vega Graphics stepping: 0 microcode : 0x810100b cpu MHz : 1600.000 cache size : 512 KB There were two problems; 1) that mysterious bug that everyone was chasing and all sort of weird solutions were suggested, and 2) it turned out to be very picky on the brand of Ramm chips or it didn't like operating at less than the 2200G I can not remember exactly what solution worked for me, but it was a BIOS and possibly a configuration file change. I didn't even have to download and/or compile any program. Until it was fixed, that problem happened almost daily. The Ramm chip problem(not as frequent) was solved by just buying a known reliable sticks at the higher speed. > > I'm just planning to get a new PC, and I've generally preferred AMD > to Intel, so just wondering whether there's anything I need to look > out for with pretty much the latest hardware. As someone who had a stock of older Intel mobo/cpus that I ran into the ground and considered 10 years as a good life,but knew that some brands struggled to last five years, I decided to buy AMD to ensure competition and I've been a bit shocked in the apparent failure rate. 50% in FX series cpus, 100% in A4 cpus and 50% in the above Ryzen motherboard. My tip is to make sure you have good warranty coverage and retain all the bits until that period has passed. I've stuck to buying Asus brand as te seem less contemptable towards linux. Latest hardware; definitely not. I like to let other experience that joy. VBG. > > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x- > linux&num=2 seems pretty off-putting, however it exclusively mentions > "systemd services not starting", so I wonder how much this is > systemd-based and how much it might be Linux drivers in general. Dmesg does occasionally show spurious non-fatal messages, but the "windows solution" of an occasional reboot fixes them. The systems both run Devuan-Ascii well. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] AMD Ryzen?
il devuanizzato Antony Stone il 18-03-20
18:24:27 ha scritto:
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen-3700x-3900x-linux&num=2
seems pretty off-putting, however it exclusively mentions "systemd
services not starting", so I wonder how much this is systemd-based and how
much it might be Linux drivers in general.
It is not a systemd problem, but AMD firmware problem. I think that AMD
have corrected it last summer.
I have no more specific information.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2019/07/12/amd-motherboard-patch-ryzen-3000-customers-affected-by-destiny-2-and-linux-boot-problems/#6bed6dde16b8
https://betanews.com/2019/07/13/amd-ryzen-3000-linux-problems/
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/10/how-a-months-old-amd-microcode-bug-destroyed-my-weekend/
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Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On Mar 20, 2020, Steve Litt wrote: > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? Ew, no. IRC, Usenet, and mailing lists. -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 20 Mar 08:38:32 -0400 Steve Litt scripsit: > Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? Nop. I have tox :) Nik > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? > http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
Is anybody using Discord in Devuan for virtual get-togethers? SteveT Steve Litt March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!
On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 10:05:18AM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > goli...@devuan.org writes: > > > Dear dev1ers, > > > > The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The > > installer isos, desktop-live and minimal-live isos can be downloaded > > from: > > > > https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/ > > Kudos for all the hard work put in by all of you! > > > Please report any issues you may experience to this list, > > bugs.devuan.org, > > freenode irc #devuan-dev or the dev1galaxy.org forum. > > I prefer submitting issues at bugs.devuan.org to prevent them falling > thru the cracks :-) but I'm wondering whether they should go to > > - debian-installer, or > - installation-reports Olaf, Thanks. There is a devuan-installer pseudopackage which is probably most appropriate. Mark ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The real reason I like Linux
On Mar 19, 2020, tom wrote: > On Mon, 16 Mar 2020 21:29:51 -0400 > Dan Purgert wrote: > > > > What, then, is so bad about PCI? Or hell, even ISA? > > > > Sure, it's super-limiting in terms of what you can buy off the shelf > > -- but then again, so was the "compatible with Arduino(tm)" market > > 5-10 years ago (and now look at that mess!) > > > > I guess what I'm trying to ask is what would be so bad about a "RISC-V > > Hobby Linux Machine(tm)" only offering these "older" peripheral > > connectivity interfaces in interests of being inexpensive and also > > preserving end-user freedom? > > > > Or ... maybe I'm just a bit crazier than I thought. > > > > Nothing wrong with that in of itself, it's just a bit odd to pair a > RISCV cpu with only slow peripherals. Now there are RISCV > microcontrollers you can buy that don't have an MMU so you can't run > Linux on them, and they have all the IO you'd come to expect on a > microcontroller, however if you want to run Linux or some other similar > multitasking OS like NetBSD it probably makes a lot more sense to > choose something aarch64 based purely do to how good and mature > aarch64's IO capabilities are. Either I'm just horrific at asking (good) questions; or there's something here that you're saying that I simply don't understand. > [...] > But back to your question why not RISCV with slow IO. That's like of > like pairing a Ferrari with a horse trailer. There are much better > options out there for pulling horse trailers than sports cars. Sure, but if all you have is the Ferrari, and the trailer needs to get pulled... -- |_|O|_| |_|_|O| Github: https://github.com/dpurgert |O|O|O| PGP: 05CA 9A50 3F2E 1335 4DC5 4AEE 8E11 DDF3 1279 A281 signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
