Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 16:58:58 +0100 "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Mar 15:14:15 +0100 > Florian Zieboll scripsit: > > > May I ask for your tangible opinion > > on / experience with qtox resp. the tox protocol in general? > > Hi Florian! > > No irony intended :) I use tox myself for basicly anything that > otherwise would be done face2face. The thing I especially like is > that you do not have to create an account on a centralized server. > Just create an ID, send it do somebody, accept his/her invitation and > that's it. I've made a small script that fires up qTox when I plug in > my usb headset :) > > @protocol: well, it works. Is it secure? Kind of, did no analysis of > it. Compared to mumble (which I had running 3 years ago) it's fine > with low bandwidth (chat and audio, video is another thing), I can > publish a screen or a defined region as video source (which is great > for teaching), and there are no offline messages (email is for > offline). > > Nik Hallo Nik, thank you very much for your feedback! I just had started testing it (with qtox for Linux and trifa for Android) but felt somewhat unsure if I'd want to "spread the word" due to the quite negative connotation of the German Wikipedia article [1], and an LWN.net article [2] about some trouble within the core developing team. I like the "serverless" p2p concept very much and was impressed how well it performs - and also of qtox's "feature completeness". As tox uses common crypto libs (libnacl / libsodium), I hope that the mentioned security issues have been mitigated - and even if not, I am confident that a wider use of it will move it more into focus of possible security auditors. Best regards and libre Grüße, Florian [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tox_(Protokoll) [2] https://lwn.net/Articles/651003/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEELAr/aHjRNwfZVZJo7kVJef5EH9YFAl55MZkACgkQ7kVJef5E H9YWFRAAoWzFCyBup3Eb6NNHSs5Fl/2jOVU/iDawJqszdgISvudeO4f7E2HxGm0k iTHlkVoN25X4JybaGRJ0fSdoLpKwu/Xgc55BJfPaBnD1xVMcFSBPZGAAcohFHAat nTz6yjvurZTjbE7VBOnfsy/zZdc7MOa1cLhNCn0C0KMPxWlggbw9XSxDb4hNsWCW qbPWJpKLlkF5bCSzHaQFqnAmw/isCgjiyh387YtRF1ul6h9Z59FTp+pk+r9VHtvn Dq9X8PGFjGGE1gCW4XeaS0tU1p4l98jqWs2e2lGe5NLAJgT+3keEec8zYIUK5UXI 9LZsh/hJQqQvwO2iYfzwAlv2GCxNfwfFLhoyFsehjoBET08Znp4+ZEcjOoXUv55A RmszKifaKPLfNLit0uZ2tALL6jyOumJoQYWIf5iBCRS1gJWs6aY1ogbo5ljcuoIh /rObT5F5opj9o8IEe+CfiVJg20pINt1ModhEpGljGVu0KP5KCYyS76ReL5HSGAwf EKroLtgqZysOeRfkjRl8S7egB3+VFCphvxRHNBJEggbMUDULzt+fowlBUJoc7fgE 1OVFW4Ogw1XJtrXkiJTXa4kATfeL/zN/hYHQPAiykgRwSy6Z2rogTXi+XkRLGz3a FKVLZytPP7klc8SNatDA1SSgYO4DTPKUjz49cqRZylvZRdEh3tk= =xebA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anyone installed a jitsi server on Devuan?
Quoting Hendrik Boom (hend...@topoi.pooq.com): > Is jitsi the progrm that lets you use facebook messenger from a Linux box? No. Jitsi Meet (the portion of the Jitsi suite in question) is a server-end implementation of WebRTC that supports (using JavaScript) SSL-encrypted videoconferencing from clients on many modern Web browsers without any other client-end software. Client support is generic, and not platform-dependent. Jitsi Meet is an an open source Java program, requiring static IP and a fully qualified domain name on the server end. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitsi#Jitsi_Meet https://myshadow.org/resources/jitsi-meet-chrome-and-chromium https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-create-your-own-video-conference-using-jitsi-meet-on-ubuntu-1804/ And this has nothing to do with Facebook Messenger, which is a Facebook, Inc.-captive secret-sauce proprietary software ecosystem that doesn't interoperate with other code (except for limited ability to graft on compatible third-party 'apps' within Messenger). Facebook Messenger also absolutely requires use of the walled-garden Facebook service. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anyone installed a jitsi server on Devuan?
On 2020-03-23 16:07, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 05:55:25PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Hi all, Has anyone installed a jitsi server on Devuan? I need to maintain a jitsi server in these days of virtual life. Is jitsi the progrm that lets you use facebook messenger from a Linux box? -- hendrik I have never heard reference to facebook wrt jitsi. If facebook were involved with jitsi, I can't imagine dyne would be using it. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anyone installed a jitsi server on Devuan?
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 05:55:25PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone installed a jitsi server on Devuan? I need to maintain a > jitsi server in these days of virtual life. Is jitsi the progrm that lets you use facebook messenger from a Linux box? -- hendrik > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > March 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting: Why Bother? > http://www.troubleshooters.com/twb > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On 2020-03-23 09:55, John Crisp via Dng wrote: On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:24:43 +1100 Online chat/video is a crowded space with everyone jostling for position and a slice of the action because it will be the eventual death of email I don't think so. Emails document who said what when and are easy to reference if needed. It is also asynchronous communication. Video is useless for creating a digital trail and scrollback fades into oblivion too. For chitchat and real time interactions, video and chat are OK but will contribute to the end of history and remembering which is a good thing for those who want us to collectively forget. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
Anno domini 2020 Mon, 23 Mar 15:14:15 +0100
Florian Zieboll scripsit:
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:57:32 +0100
> "Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote:
>
> > Anno domini 2020 Sat, 21 Mar 02:08:45 -0400
> > Steve Litt scripsit:
> >
> > > I need audio, video, and the ability to show what's on my screen.
> >
> > Use qtox, it's in the repository.
>
>
> Hallo Nikolaus,
>
> the lack of a leading "I" in your statement ("I use...") makes it sound
> like hidden irony - which (I think) is not a good idea to make use of
> on a public list. May I ask for your tangible opinion on / experience
> with qtox resp. the tox protocol in general?
Hi Florian!
No irony intended :) I use tox myself for basicly anything that otherwise would
be done face2face. The thing I especially like is that you do not have to
create an account on a centralized server. Just create an ID, send it do
somebody, accept his/her invitation and that's it. I've made a small script
that fires up qTox when I plug in my usb headset :)
@protocol: well, it works. Is it secure? Kind of, did no analysis of it.
Compared to mumble (which I had running 3 years ago) it's fine with low
bandwidth (chat and audio, video is another thing), I can publish a screen or a
defined region as video source (which is great for teaching), and there are no
offline messages (email is for offline).
Nik
>
> Thank you very much,
> Florian
>
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Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:24:43 +1100 wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > Anyone have experience on how it compares to Mattermost or Zulip? I believe it has quite a lot of refugees from Slack, Mattermost, Hipchat etc You can sign up for a online trial free for a period I think, or grab a docker copy, and try it for yourself It has its faults and foibles but I have been using it in a couple of low volume situations for a good few years now (about version 0.20?) It does use Mongo for the DB and there is some stuff in the foros & github about the licencing for it (can't remember where now) Online chat/video is a crowded space with everyone jostling for position and a slice of the action because it will be the eventual death of email, and all the big players want to control that. They will buy up most smaller startups to stop any competition. I believe the big battle currently is Teams v Slack. M$ are bleeding them dry, because they can. Rocket are pretty Open Source - the boss is a big believer. Anyways, try it. But as ever, Caveat Emptor !! pgpJHR0NfgMsI.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Is anybody using Discord for virtual get-togethers in Devuan?
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On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:57:32 +0100
"Dr. Nikolaus Klepp" wrote:
> Anno domini 2020 Sat, 21 Mar 02:08:45 -0400
> Steve Litt scripsit:
>
> > I need audio, video, and the ability to show what's on my screen.
>
> Use qtox, it's in the repository.
Hallo Nikolaus,
the lack of a leading "I" in your statement ("I use...") makes it sound
like hidden irony - which (I think) is not a good idea to make use of
on a public list. May I ask for your tangible opinion on / experience
with qtox resp. the tox protocol in general?
Thank you very much,
Florian
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Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:42:59 + - Mark Hindley : > On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:32:44AM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? > > > > Hum... that's what I have: > > > > ~~~ > > $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind > > Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto > > Generazione albero delle dipendenze > > Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto > > I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: > > elogind libelogind0 > > I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: > > libsystemd0 > > I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: > > elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind > > 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. > > ~~~ > > > > It sounds good... Should I apply? > > Within the limits of my Italian ;), it looks good. Ooops... sorry I neglected to translate or specify... I have run 'apt-get install libpam-elogind': elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind were updated (and libsystemd0 has been removed); but not calf-plugins. > I will have to look further as to why this needs an explicit command. Did you > `apt upgrade' or `apt full-upgrade'? None of this. I did: # apt-get dist-upgrade (as suggested in https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf) Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpIcuLC6Th5V.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Anyone installed a jitsi server on Devuan?
easy to install with the quick install guide, but getting video/audio to work is something i didn't manage.. tried opening all required ports, but still.. gave it up, cause it was just play... (also because it works with g-evil chrome/chromium best/only?) using nextcloud talk atm for personal things, but community version has some limits.. (max 4-5 people in video chat..). --- there are many jitsi meet instances listed here (unofficial list) : https://wiki.chatons.org/doku.php/la_visio-conference_avec_jitsi and even more, if you look around.. d. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Chromium on Beowulf
Hi, J. Fahrner via Dng writes: > Am 2020-03-22 13:00, schrieb Mark Hindley: >> chromium recommends chromium-sandbox. Do you have no-install-recommends >> configured in apt? > > Yes, I don't install recommends. When chromium does not run without > sandbox, then it should be a must, not a recommend. I don't install recommends automatically but that doesn't keep me from installing them manually ;-P If you don't like that, chromium --no-sandbox should work as the warning already told you. I see that chromium-sandbox doesn't have a Depends: on chromium. That may be more of an issue as that package is completely useless by itself, AFAICS at least. BTW, the details on making it a Recommends: are in https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=913116 Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:29:28 -0400 - fsmithred : > On 3/22/20 12:53 PM, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Yesterday I dist-upgrade ASCII 2.1 (MATE DM) to Beowulf, following [1]. > > > > > Now I have: > > ~~~ > > $ uname -a > > Linux computer0 4.6.0-0.bpo.1-rt-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Debian > > 4.6.4-1~bpo8+1 (2016-08-11) x86_64 GNU/Linux > > You can do one of two things to get the beowulf kernel - either install > linux-image-amd64, which is a metapackage that will always install the > latest available kernel, or you can install the kernel by the full package > name, currently linux-image-4.19.0-8-amd64. I am using a -rt-amd64 kernel (for audio-related needs), so the kernel package which I am interested to should be: linux-image-4.19.0-8-rt-amd64 I haven't installed it yet because the system is stable and I would like to avoid problems because I'm using it for remote working. I will update the kernel during next ween-end... > If you do the latter, stay alert to when -9 comes out. You won't get it > automatically. If you mean I will need to update it manually, I will do it... > > 2. Having upower installed, I have downgraded upower packages as suggested > > in [1], to avoid problems like bug#394 [2] which seems mainly related to > > cinnamon. But I do not have cinnamon... So what I should do? Downgrade or > > not? If not, how to disable downgrading of those packages? > > Take the downgrade. It's not really a downgrade; it's an upgrade to a > lower-numbered version. (We no longer need to fork upower.) Ah ok. Great. Thanks a lot for your advices. Regards -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpc45K9oExsr.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 10:32:44AM +0100, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? > > Hum... that's what I have: > > ~~~ > $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind > Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto > Generazione albero delle dipendenze > Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto > I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: > elogind libelogind0 > I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: > libsystemd0 > I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: > elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind > 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. > ~~~ > > It sounds good... Should I apply? Within the limits of my Italian ;), it looks good. I will have to look further as to why this needs an explicit command. Did you `apt upgrade' or `apt full-upgrade'? Mark ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ASCII 2.1 to Beowulf: Report + questions
Hi Mark Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:28:21 + - Mark Hindley : > > 1- There is one aspect of the upgrade that I don't think is in place, and > > that I would like to point out: elogind, libelogind0, libpam-elogind have > > not been upgraded; indeed these packages are marked as 'upgradable'. How > > should I manage this situation? > > To help us work out why, what does `apt policy libsystemd0 libelogind0 elogind > libpam-elogind' produce? See below (calf-plugins also was not upgraded): ~~~ $ apt policy libsystemd0 libelogind0 elogind calf-plugins libsystemd0: Installato: 241-7~deb10u3 Candidato: 241-7~deb10u3 Tabella versione: 244.3-1~bpo10+1 100 100 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports/main amd64 Packages *** 241-7~deb10u3 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status libelogind0: Installato: 234.4-2 Candidato: 241.4-2 Tabella versione: 241.4-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 234.4-2 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status elogind: Installato: 234.4-2 Candidato: 241.4-2 Tabella versione: 241.4-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 234.4-2 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status calf-plugins: Installato: 0.0.60-4+b1 Candidato: 0.90.1-2 Tabella versione: 0.90.1-2 500 500 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf/main amd64 Packages *** 0.0.60-4+b1 100 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status ~~~ > Does `apt install libpam-elogind' fix it? Hum... that's what I have: ~~~ $ sudo apt-get install libpam-elogind Lettura elenco dei pacchetti... Fatto Generazione albero delle dipendenze Lettura informazioni sullo stato... Fatto I seguenti pacchetti aggiuntivi saranno inoltre installati: elogind libelogind0 I seguenti pacchetti saranno RIMOSSI: libsystemd0 I seguenti pacchetti saranno aggiornati: elogind libelogind0 libpam-elogind 3 aggiornati, 0 installati, 1 da rimuovere e 1 non aggiornati. ~~~ It sounds good... Should I apply? > > 3. Programs with a graphic display started complaining about the warning > > "Couldn't register with accessibility bus: ..." [3][4]. Putting 'export > > NO_AT_BRIDGE=1' in /etc/environment seems to have blocked the alerts. I > > don't know if it's a real solution or just a workaround that doesn't solve > > the underlying problem. > > They are harmless. But installing at-spi2-core ought to make them disappear. at-spi2-core was already installed... Thanks -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpiOrTs4lxcA.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
