Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[tom]

On Mon, 06 Apr 2020 20:51:37 -0500
goli...@devuan.org wrote:

> On 2020-04-06 20:46, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> >> On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote:
> >> > Dear Devlers,
> >> >
> >> >     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference
> >> > with Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in
> >> > contact with. such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work
> >> > only with Windows or Mac and Chrome.
> >> >
> >> >  Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?
> >> 
> >> Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven 
> >> themselves
> >> less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks.
> > 
> > I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr.
> > Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium?  One of my regular
> > meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice.
> > 
> > Any idea how much computer jitsi needs?  My server is over a decade 
> > old.
> > I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management
> > engine.
> > 
> > -- hendrik
> 
> The online version of jit.si - https://meet.jit.si/ - connects via
> your browser. You don't have to install on you server.
> 
> golinux
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Nextcloud talk also works, doesn't require any software either. just a
webrtc enabled browser and a coturn server.

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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Dimitris via Dng]

On 4/7/20 9:05 AM, Rod Rodolico wrote:
> but it works so far with FF


doesn't work for everyone, that's why jitsi suggests the use of chromium
based browsers..

https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/commit/92740707f01547d4e431050ade1d17589c544629#diff-12cdb961bef2a8b83d0f510226f85495


https://community.jitsi.org/t/software-unusable-on-firefox-why/22143/10
https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/issues/4758



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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Rod Rodolico]

I just installed a Jitsi instance on one of my old servers last week. My
15 year old granddaughter did most of the work. We built it as a Xen
virtual with 10G disk, 4G RAM and 4 dedicated cores. We used ASCII as
the Distro.

Tests so far have been two people (test for more planned for later this
week). With two people in the video conference, we ran about 8Mb/s
pretty steady the whole hour. Processor was about 40% on all four cores
and RAM was pretty much untouched.

A basic system is pretty much straight forward. It did "forget" to
create the rc.d entry for jitsi-videobridge2 service, but that was easy
to fix with
update-rc.d jitsi-videobridge2 defaults

More advanced setups allow you to set a password before you can create a
meeting (so not just anyone can do it), the ability to record the
meeting, and an interface with SIP. I have not tested any of those.

All in all, jitsi rocks. Tracking consists of some info in their own log
in /var/log/jitsi and, so far, all I've seen is the IP's that connect.

As was said, if all you want is a one off, or some occasional meetings,
https://meet.jit.si/ is set up and free. That way you don't eat
bandwidth and spend all the time building it out.

There is a client for Android, iPhone, OS-X, Debian, RPM, Arch and
Windoze. See https://jitsi.org/downloads/. I tried the Android version
on an old tablet and it worked ok. I mainly just use my browser. It
complains if I use an old version of FF, but it works so far with FF and
Chromium so you don't need to install a client.

Just found out about it a few weeks ago, so I haven't had time to break
it yet. So, nothing bad so far except the bandwidth, which isn't
horrible. Feel free to contact me if you want some graphs or the results
of our Wednesday test.

Rod

On 04/04/2020 05:07 AM, Raul Claro wrote:
> Dear Devlers,
> 
>     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with
> Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with.
> such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/,  /work only with Windows or
> Mac and Chrome.
> 
>  Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?
> 
>     Thanks
> 
>     Raúl
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Dimitris T. via Dng]

Iirc, jitsi meet works only with chrome/chromium. I only used nextcloud talk 
succesfully with ff-esr.

P.s. bigbluebutton

Στις 4 Απριλίου 2020 1:07:56 μ.μ. EEST, ο/η Raul Claro  
έγραψε:
>Dear Devlers,
>
>     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with 
>Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. 
>such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or 
>Mac and Chrome.
>
>  Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?
>
>     Thanks
>
>     Raúl

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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Gregory Nowak]

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 09:46:02PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr.
> Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium?  One of my regular 
> meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice.

Can you use a smart phone? Also, dialing in through a regular phone
number is a possibility with Zoom meetings.

Greg


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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[golinux]

On 2020-04-06 20:46, Hendrik Boom wrote:

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:

On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote:
> Dear Devlers,
>
>     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox
> (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. such als
> /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and
> Chrome.
>
>  Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?

Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven 
themselves

less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks.


I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr.
Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium?  One of my regular
meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice.

Any idea how much computer jitsi needs?  My server is over a decade 
old.

I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management
engine.

-- hendrik


The online version of jit.si - https://meet.jit.si/ - connects via your 
browser. You don't have to install on you server.


golinux

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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Hendrik Boom]

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 08:46:03PM -0400, Dan Purgert wrote:
> On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote:
> > Dear Devlers,
> > 
> >     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox
> > (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. such als
> > /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and
> > Chrome.
> > 
> >  Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?
> 
> Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves
> less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks.

I've been completely unable to get on Zoom from firefox esr.
Is it likely to work with Chrome or chromium?  One of my regular 
meeetings has chosen Zoom, leaving me little choice.

Any idea how much computer jitsi needs?  My server is over a decade old.  
I've been hanging onto it because it's too old to have a management 
engine.

-- hendrik
> 
> There's also, IIRC, "Blue Button" or something to that effect.
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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Dan Purgert]

On Apr 04, 2020, Raul Claro wrote:
> Dear Devlers,
> 
>     is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with Firefox
> (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. such als
> /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or Mac and
> Chrome.
> 
>  Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?

Jitsi would be my initial go-to, as Zoom seems to have proven themselves
less-than-trustworthy in the last couple of weeks.

There's also, IIRC, "Blue Button" or something to that effect.

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Re: [DNG] A way of holding telephone-conferences with DEVUAN?

[Raul Claro]

Dear Devlers,

    is there a way of holding a video- or an audioconference with 
Firefox (or Vivaldi) on Devuan?  The ones I have come in contact with. 
such als /https://global.gotomeeting.com/, /work only with Windows or 
Mac and Chrome.


 Are there any Debian/Devuan alternatives to these systems?

    Thanks

    Raúl


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Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

[Gregory Nowak]

On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 05:10:48PM +0100, g4sra via Dng wrote:
> Only one issue so far, had to manually run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after 
> reboot.

You might want to add to bug 419, so the devs are aware that more than
just one person had this issue:



Greg


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Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

[g4sra via Dng]

Minimal install from CD-Rom devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_i386_netinstall.iso on 
Pentium4 OK.
Only one issue so far, had to manually run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' after 
reboot.


On 15/03/2020 16:22, goli...@devuan.org wrote:
> Dear dev1ers,
> 
> The Devuan 3 Beowulf Beta release is now ready for review. The installer isos,
> desktop-live and minimal-live isos can be downloaded from:
> 
> https://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/
> 
> ### What's new in Beowulf
> 
> Changes in su
>  - The behavior of su has changed. Use 'su -' to get root's path or use
>    the full path to commands if you use only 'su'. See the following for
>    more information:
>    
> https://www.debian.org/releases/buster/amd64/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#su-environment-variables
>    https://wiki.debian.org/NewInBuster
>    https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=905564
> 
> Pulseaudio
>  - If you have no sound, make sure the following line in
>    /etc/pulse/client.conf.d/00-disable-autospawn.conf is commented as
>    shown here:
> 
>    #autospawn=no
> 
>  - Note that firefox-esr no longer requires pulseaudio. You can easily
>    remove pulseaudio and just use alsa.
> 
> Please read the Release Notes for more detailed information:
> 
> http://files.devuan.org/devuan_beowulf/Release_notes.txt
> 
> Install, upgrade and migrate documentation for beowulf and be accessed at:
> 
> https://beta.devuan.org/os/install (still a WIP)
> 
> Please report any issues you may experience to this list, bugs.devuan.org,
> freenode irc #devuan-dev or the dev1galaxy.org forum.
> 
> In solidarity,
> 
> The Devuan Devs
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[DNG] dodgy upgrade [was Re: Beowulf Beta is here!]

[Didier Kryn]

    Hi.

    Yesterday I upgraded from Ascii to Beowulf a Toshiba laptop with 
Intel Celeron cpus.


    apt-get update; apt-get upgrade

    change repos to Beowulf

    apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade

    dist-upgrade failed mid way or so with the suggestion to run apt 
install --fix-broken


    This did the rest of the upgrade, leaving a few problems:

    - cups wasn't installed but a bunch of cups-foo-bar packages were.

     When I tried to install cups, apt-get insisted to install 
cups:i386, which I didn't want of course. I had to remove 3 packages 
with i386 architecture and remove the foreign architecture to be able to 
install cups. apt-get removed the bunch of cups-foo-bar packages and 
installed others; it finds its way in the tangle of dependencies (~:


    - gksudo, while still there, doesn't work, as already announced. I 
did my sudo trick and I can now run synaptic.


    - The interfaces file still causes a 30s delay in startup. Since I 
have ifplugd installed, the clause "allow-hotplug eth0" is useless. I 
removed it and the problem was gone.


    - Many packages to remove and possibly re-install to get a clean 
setup, as usual.


    I've checked that Slim and xfce-4 work fine, as well as Palemoon, 
Emacs-26 and xfce4-terminal


    Kudos for this good work!

        Didier


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