Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?

2020-04-10 Thread Emiliano Marini via Dng
Sony VAIO E14 (SVE14125CLB).

Piece of cake.

Everything (I need) works out-of-the-box. Don't know it BT works because I
don't need it, never used it.

Cheers.

On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:53 AM ael 
wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote:
> >
> > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste
> > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously
> > running Devuan is preferable.
> >
> > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only
> > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could
> > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd
> > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots).
>
> I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo
> laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select
> "No Operating system". See, for example,
> https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop
>
> I have no knowledge of that company: I just did a search for Clevo &
> Australia.
>
> Clevo laptops are sold under many different names: I think all resellers
> rebrand them. I think all the resellers offer "No Operating system", so
> no MS tax. Unfortunately, as yet they do not offer any Ryzen laptops,
> although that could change. I suspect Clevo actually manufacture many of
> the "well known" brands.
>
> Send from a Clevo laptop, which has never been soiled by MS, running
> Linux...
>
> ael
>
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Re: [DNG] Beowulf Beta is here!

2020-04-10 Thread Didier Kryn

Le 10/04/2020 à 00:19, aitor_czr a écrit :


Hi Didier,

On 4/9/20 4:29 PM, Didier Kryn wrote:

Le 09/04/2020 à 18:16, Didier Kryn a écrit :

Le 09/04/2020 à 16:13, dal a écrit :

Hello and thanks for Beowulf.

An issue:

it looks like

   devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_beta_amd64_netinstall.iso
   and the base system installable from it

do not contain the ifupdown package (nor other networking utilities 
besides busybox ip?).


The resulting base installation remains offline.
This is a more limited definition of a "base system" than it used 
to be, most probably unintentionally.


    I remember this was also the case in a previous version, wether 
Jessie or Ascii. Obviously this isn't an issue when upgrading. I 
also remind you that the startup delay caused by the timed-out 
activation of the Ethernet interface (when not plugged in) is still 
there with the default interfaces file. The solution is to remove 
the clause "allow-hotplug eth0" and install ifupdown or the 
equivalent I have forgotten the name of. 
    Sorry for the typo. install *ifplugd* or an equivalent. 
After a reboot the network devices are properly brought up using 
different options like *auto*,

*allow-auto* or *allow-hotplug*.The differences between them are:

1) auto  - This stanza in /etc/network/interfaces file starts 
the network interface at boot

(this is the option used by the loopback virtual interface).

2) allow-auto  - Similar to the first one. I'm not pretty sure 
if there is any difference.


3) allow-hotplug  -  As opposed to the others, it starts when 
a *plug* event is detected.
The fact that it'll will be waiting for eventslike the linking of the 
ethernet cable or something that
involveskernel/eudev detection against the hardware, can lead us to 
think that thiskind of linking
configurationis the guiltyof the delay during the boot process, but 
this is only a half-truth.


    After experimenting I think I can state that "hotplug" here means 
that the interface itself - not the cable - can be hotplugged. This is 
usefull if you plug in a USB-Ethernet adapter. It has nothing to do with 
detecting the connection of an Ethernet cable. If your Ethernet 
interface is hard-wired, the "auto" stanza has the same effect.Once the 
Ethernet interface is detected, the logic of ifupdown is to bring it up, 
and then it enters a timed-out wait for the carrier.


    f you have several interfaces, ifupdown will try to bring them up 
one after the other with a timed-out wait for the carrier. In general on 
a laptop, you have one Ethernet and one Wifi, both hardwired. You can 
put an "auto" or "allow-hotplug" stanza for the Wifi because it will be 
tried last. If you have an "allow-hotplug" for the Ethernet and the 
cable is not connected, it will just add a delay to the startup but it 
will not allow the detection of the carrier when an Ethernet cable is 
connected; you need something like ifplugd for that.


        Didier

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