Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working
On 2020-05-26 17:51, Didier Kryn wrote: > Did it exist prior to the creation of Systemd? I think it depends on how you count. There was a predecessor project called dmd which was created to be PID 1 on Hurd. If you count dmd then it precedes systemd, otherwise not. -- Ian ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] supported ways to control user access to audio/video devices
Thanks to some helpful off-list replies and to additional research, for a casual reader: This access control is implemented via udev and elogind which *is* systemd code and architecture. This is supposed to "just work", for some definition of "work". When it does not, you face a challenge (a systemd issue from 2016 about the lack of documentation for uaccess vs ID_* is still open). /D -Original Message- From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of dal Sent: den 25 maj 2020 15:32 To: 'dng@lists.dyne.org' Subject: [DNG] supported ways to control user access to audio/video devices Dear list, A round of searching and reading did not give me any usable explanation of Subj on Devuan. More specifically, static assignment of users to the "audio"/"video" groups is not applicable (on shared, remotely accessible computers). It looks like ConsoleKit used to be the answer in Debian, but in my testing on Beowulf the consolekit package is not compatible with any desktop environment besides xfce. Is this an inherent limitation somewhere, a packaging bug or otherwise a misunderstanding on my part? Regards, /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working
Le 26/05/2020 à 10:26, Steve Litt a écrit : > On Mon, 25 May 2020 10:08:17 -0700 > Ian Zimmerman wrote: > >> On 2020-05-21 14:09, Steve Litt wrote: >> >>> * Busybox init >>> * Epoch >>> * OpenRC >>> * Runit >>> * s6 (plus s6-rc) >>> * Suckess init plus [daemontools | runit | s6] >>> * systemd >>> * sysvinit >> * GNU Shepherd ? >> >> https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ > The preceding looks like an extremely capable init system that will > handle almost any situation, assuming the admin has the skill to make > it so. It seems to enable one to do tons of things that runit doesn't > facilitate. > > On the other hand, GNU Shepherd makes me realize how easy runit is to > administer. I can do it in my sleep. > > If anyone does a Jitsi presentation on GNU Shepherd, I'd *really* like > to be in the audience. This looks potentially like a very high quality > init, probably for the kind of person with lots of tricky daemons to > administer. > > Thanks for pointing out Shepherd. > +1. Questions and remarks: How much can one trust a program written in the Guile language and running as PID1 as suggested? Note it does not seem mandatory to run it as PID1. It being an official GNU product makes it deserve a try a priori. Did it exist prior to the creation of Systemd? Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working
On 2020-05-26 03:26, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 25 May 2020 10:08:17 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: On 2020-05-21 14:09, Steve Litt wrote: > * Busybox init > * Epoch > * OpenRC > * Runit > * s6 (plus s6-rc) > * Suckess init plus [daemontools | runit | s6] > * systemd > * sysvinit * GNU Shepherd ? https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ The preceding looks like an extremely capable init system that will handle almost any situation, assuming the admin has the skill to make it so. It seems to enable one to do tons of things that runit doesn't facilitate. On the other hand, GNU Shepherd makes me realize how easy runit is to administer. I can do it in my sleep. If anyone does a Jitsi presentation on GNU Shepherd, I'd *really* like to be in the audience. This looks potentially like a very high quality init, probably for the kind of person with lots of tricky daemons to administer. Thanks for pointing out Shepherd. SteveT FWIW, Shepherd has been on the Devuan beta website's init freedom page for some time: https://beta.devuan.org/os/init-freedom golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Mixing different init benefits: was: without-systemd.org not working
On Mon, 25 May 2020 10:08:17 -0700 Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-05-21 14:09, Steve Litt wrote: > > > * Busybox init > > * Epoch > > * OpenRC > > * Runit > > * s6 (plus s6-rc) > > * Suckess init plus [daemontools | runit | s6] > > * systemd > > * sysvinit > > * GNU Shepherd ? > > https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ The preceding looks like an extremely capable init system that will handle almost any situation, assuming the admin has the skill to make it so. It seems to enable one to do tons of things that runit doesn't facilitate. On the other hand, GNU Shepherd makes me realize how easy runit is to administer. I can do it in my sleep. If anyone does a Jitsi presentation on GNU Shepherd, I'd *really* like to be in the audience. This looks potentially like a very high quality init, probably for the kind of person with lots of tricky daemons to administer. Thanks for pointing out Shepherd. SteveT Steve Litt May 2020 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] supported ways to control user access to audio/video devices
> From: Dng [mailto:dng-boun...@lists.dyne.org] On Behalf Of terryc > Sent: den 26 maj 2020 03:23 > My understanding is that it is a inherent limitation of *nix. Fortunately, for the purposes of installations here, we see some acceptable solutions, my hope was though that Devuan already implemented such functionality. Thanks Terry for your support. Best regards, /D ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
