Re: [DNG] GNU Shepherd user services
On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 02:02:55PM +0200, al3xu5 / dotcommon wrote: > > Hello everyone > > I came across recently on GNU Shepherd user services: > > `The GNU Daemon Shepherd or GNU Shepherd, formerly known as GNU dmd, is a > service manager that looks after the herd of system services. It provides a > replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other > init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a > convenient interface.` [1] > > As an initial introduction, I took a look, among other things, at the pages at > the links that I report below. > > Also to help me better understand what it is (my knowledge of service-managing > is at user level, and therefore not very thorough), I would be interested in > reading your comments and considerations. > > Thanks in advance > Best regards Very interesting. I've always had a soft spot for Lisp, and especially its offspring Scheme. And this uses Guile, an implementation of Scheme. I wonder if GNU Shepherd needs to run as PID 1? Or can it run as a service manager under another init system? Or even under another service manager? -- hendrik > > > Refs: > > [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ > > [2] https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/gnu-shepherd-user-services/ > > [3] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/manual/shepherd.html > > [4] https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/shepherd/ > > [5] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2013-11/msg00065.html > > > > -- > al3xu5 > > Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design > restrictions. > > Public GPG/PGP key > ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 > Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminal paste failure
On Fri, Jul 03, 2020 at 09:10:50AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 11:41:18PM +0200, richard lucassen via Dng wrote: > > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:02:05 -0400 > > Haines Brown wrote: > > > > > This morning I find that the wiress mouse can cut and paste between > > > terminals or nano sessions even with the wired mouse disconnected. > > > Whether the problem is permanently in the past remains to be seen. > > > > Try "reset" in the terminal, sometimes this helps. See "man reset" for > > more info. > > Richard, thanks for the suggestion. I had never encountered tset or > reset. Don't need it now because copy/paste continues to work as it > should. Now we have a workaround if it should happen again. But the workaround doesn't work if you're not running in the shell. And there remains the question of why does this happen in the first place. -- hendrik > > Haines Brown > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apt-get vs apt
On July 3, 2020 9:53:56 AM GMT+02:00, Alessandro Vesely via Dng wrote: > Hi, > > TL;DR: apt fails where apt-get works. Why? I assume that using 'apt update && apt upgrade' would have worked fine, too. From the apt manpage: | SCRIPT USAGE AND DIFFERENCES FROM OTHER APT TOOLS |The apt(8) commandline is designed as an end-user |tool and it may change behavior between versions. |While it tries not to break backward compatibility |this is not guaranteed either if a change seems |beneficial for interactive use. | |All features of apt(8) are available in dedicated |APT tools like apt-get(8) and apt-cache(8) as |well. apt(8) just changes the default value of |some options (see apt.conf(5) and specifically the |Binary scope). So you should prefer using these |commands (potentially with some additional options |enabled) in your scripts as they keep backward |compatibility as much as possible. Libre Grüße, Florian -- [message sent otg] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] terminal paste failure
On Thu, Jul 02, 2020 at 11:41:18PM +0200, richard lucassen via Dng wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:02:05 -0400 > Haines Brown wrote: > > > This morning I find that the wiress mouse can cut and paste between > > terminals or nano sessions even with the wired mouse disconnected. > > Whether the problem is permanently in the past remains to be seen. > > Try "reset" in the terminal, sometimes this helps. See "man reset" for > more info. Richard, thanks for the suggestion. I had never encountered tset or reset. Don't need it now because copy/paste continues to work as it should. Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] GNU Shepherd user services
Hello everyone I came across recently on GNU Shepherd user services: `The GNU Daemon Shepherd or GNU Shepherd, formerly known as GNU dmd, is a service manager that looks after the herd of system services. It provides a replacement for the service-managing capabilities of SysV-init (or any other init) with a both powerful and beautiful dependency-based system with a convenient interface.` [1] As an initial introduction, I took a look, among other things, at the pages at the links that I report below. Also to help me better understand what it is (my knowledge of service-managing is at user level, and therefore not very thorough), I would be interested in reading your comments and considerations. Thanks in advance Best regards Refs: [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/ [2] https://guix.gnu.org/blog/2020/gnu-shepherd-user-services/ [3] https://www.gnu.org/software/shepherd/manual/shepherd.html [4] https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/shepherd/ [5] https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guix-devel/2013-11/msg00065.html -- al3xu5 Say NO to copyright, patents, trademarks and any industrial design restrictions. Public GPG/PGP key ID: 4096 bit RSA key F94CFE23 Fingerprint: 59C6 9DC7 CD4B CF2F A190 E3DE 69C5 977B F94C FE23 pgpXz1VlOshUG.pgp Description: Firma digitale OpenPGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] apt-get vs apt
Hi, TL;DR: apt fails where apt-get works. Why? I just updated ASCII using apt: root@pcale:~# apt update Get:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease [25.6 kB] Get:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease [25.6 kB] Get:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease [25.6 kB] Get:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports InRelease [25.6 kB] Get:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main Sources [192 kB] Get:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 Packages [492 kB] Fetched 787 kB in 1s (762 kB/s) Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done 6 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them. root@pcale:~# root@pcale:~# root@pcale:~# root@pcale:~# apt upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libargon2-0 libqrencode3 Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be upgraded: imagemagick-6-common imagemagick-6-doc imagemagick-common imagemagick-doc libimage-magick-perl perlmagick 6 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 7,761 kB of archives. After this operation, 1,024 B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] Err:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 libimage-magick-perl all 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] Err:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 perlmagick all 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] Err:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 imagemagick-6-doc all 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] Err:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 imagemagick-doc all 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] Err:5 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 imagemagick-6-common all 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] Err:6 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main i386 imagemagick-common all 8:6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/imagemagick/libimage-magick-perl_6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/imagemagick/perlmagick_6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick-6-doc_6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick-doc_6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick-6-common_6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Failed to fetch http://mirrors.dotsrc.org/debian-security/pool/updates/main/i/imagemagick/imagemagick-common_6.9.7.4+dfsg-11+deb9u8_all.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 130.225.254.116 80] E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? I repeated it a second time, same result. At that point I noticed the last line says "maybe run *apt-get* update". Using apt everything worked (well, almost) and the packages were found; see below. I notice that https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/en/upgrade-to-beowulf always uses apt-get. I used to always use apt-get myself. One or two years ago I found apt was meant to be an "easier" interface and, since it's shorter, started using that. I guess I'd switch back to using apt-get, shouldn't I? Best Ale -- root@pcale:~# apt-get update Hit:1 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease Hit:2 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease Hit:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease Hit:4 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports InRelease Reading package lists... 1% Reading package lists... Done root@pcale:~# root@pcale:~# root@pcale:~# apt-get upgrade Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done Calculating upgrade... Done The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: libargon2-0 libqrencode3 Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them. The following packages will be upgraded: imagemagick-6-common imagemagick-6-doc imagemagick-common imagemagick-doc libimage-magick-perl perlmagick 6 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 7,761 kB of archives.
