[DNG] Awkishness [Was: Re: Steam, Mumble, Valheim, Alsa and shared audio
On 02.07.21 10:58, hal wrote:
>
> $ dpkg -l | egrep -i '(alsa|pulse)' | awk '{print $1" "$2};'
> ii alsa-utils
> ii apulse:amd64
..
Granted, the egrep as quick to use if that's what one's typing
fingers remember, and day to day, it's only the results which
matter
a damn. But as an aside, is it maybe generically helpful to hint
that awk is a complete text processing language; one that it is
not often fully utilised these days? It'll do it all:
$ dpkg -l | awk -v IGNORECASE=1 '/alsa|pulse/ {print $1" "$2};'
ii alsa-utils
ii debian-pulseaudio-config-override
ii gstreamer1.0-alsa:i386
ii gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:i386
That its great strength is grepping, via the "/pattern/ {action}"
behaviour, is perhaps clearer for the casual reader when we don't
stop to ignore case:
$ dpkg -l | awk '/alsa|pulse/ {print $1" "$2};'
ii alsa-utils
ii debian-pulseaudio-config-override
ii gstreamer1.0-alsa:i386
ii gstreamer1.0-pulseaudio:i386
As for egrep (over plain grep), "The regular expressions in awk
are a superset of the POSIX specification for Extended Regular
Expressions (EREs). POSIX EREs are based on the regular
expressions accepted by the traditional egrep utility.", quoting the
"GAWK: Effective AWK Programming" pdf.
Incidentally, I found the mawk variant was awk on my beowulf
install. As I prefer to take advantage of a few enhancements
provided by gawk (GNU Awk), I've done a quick: # apt-get install
gawk
I hope that interests someone. It's not often that an
opportunity to espouse the original text Swiss army knife presents
itself.
Erik
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Re: [DNG] ..tenacity replaces Audacity like Devuan replaces Debian? Tenacity ditches spyware.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 07:16:55PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 10:39:28 -0400 > Hendrik Boom scripsit: ... ... > > > > Audacity does not collect data unless you opt in to data collection. > > > > You do not need to do this. > > If the data are necessary for law enforcement, Audacity will hand it > > over. This is presumably required by law, whether is is mentioned in the > > privacy agreement or not. > > When you think about this, it's most alarming. There is no need for this > functunality in the first place. "Sombody" has to work hard (infrastructure, > time, resources) to implement this surveillance functionality. If it costs, > "somebody" will want to ge a revenue. There is no such thing as a law to > force the user to give data out of his/her hands unwillingly. I don't see a serious need for wuch functionality. May I point out though, that even Debian has a feature that reports what packages you have installed. But, of course, only if you install that feature. > > This is a road everybody should pay close attention and if a project takes > that turn - drop it. > > > There's no indication they will change the data they collect because law > > enforcement requests it. > > This is not reassuring, on the contrary. And it's not really clear what information they are collecting. > > > If law enforcement needs additional user data beyond what audacity has, > > they presumably have to collect it from the user. > > So why sould the user accept audacity to to the police job? I prsume you meant > So why sould the user accept audacity to do the police job? If the olice want the data from a user, they will likely have to get a search warrant and serve it on the user.. > > > As for the use of the software by children, audacity should simply refuse > > to collect any data from children, and > >* ask the user if they are children > >* and if so, simply not colect those data, whether telemetry is turned > > on or off. > > In my country this kind of "data gathering" is not allowed aka illegal, not > only for children. Audacity will have a bad press when this goes public - and > every distribution with this kind of spyware will get it's dose of "told you > it's not better than Windows". A sane country you have. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Steam, Mumble, Valheim, Alsa and shared audio
On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 11:20:27 -0500 hal wrote: > On 7/3/21 09:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > 'dmix' is part of Alsa. > > > >> RT? FM? > > Read The Fine Manual ~ go to the Alsa website and read up on the > > 'dmix' plugin, then google for example Alsa configurations for > > sharing devices. > > Thanks, I finally got this working yesterday. Care to share your set up? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Steam, Mumble, Valheim, Alsa and shared audio
On Monday, August 23rd, 2021 at 5:20 PM, hal wrote: > On 7/3/21 09:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > 'dmix' is part of Alsa. > > > RT? FM? > > > Read The Fine Manual ~ go to the Alsa website and read up on the 'dmix' > > > plugin, then google for example Alsa configurations for sharing devices. > Thanks, I finally got this working yesterday. The ALSA configuration language has got to be the worst that I have ever come across. Treat yourself, you have earned it. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..tenacity replaces Audacity like Devuan replaces Debian? Tenacity ditches spyware.
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 10:39:28 -0400 Hendrik Boom scripsit: > On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 08:33:18AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 02:33:36 +0200 > > Arnt Karlsen scripsit: > > > [...] > > > ..thanks to Tim for pushing me to investigate that story, Jim did > > > indeed say that, initially. And wise people update as they learn > > > more... > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/no-open-source-audacity-audio-editor-is-not-spyware/?comments=1 > > > > > > ..and there's even more: > > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/audacitys-new-owner-is-in-another-fight-with-the-open-source-community/?comments=1 > > > > > > ..it's like Github's next owner making you pay to see source code. > > > Sheet music is effectively the source code of music, and that > > > analogy has been used to explain source code as a concept to the > > > general public, to legislators and to jurors and judges in courts. > > > > > > > > > > It's most concerning. Just these lines: > > > > Personal data collected:Data necessary for law enforcement, litigation > > and authorities' requests (if any) > > Why collect it: For legal enforcement > > Legal grounds for processing: Legitimate interest of WSM Group to > > defend its legal rights and interests > > > > This is a strict no-go. Any software even with the "option" to get you > > prosecuted by any countries laws will get you in trouble. Any sane person > > should stay away from that crap as far as possible. > > > > Nik > > Audacity does not collect data unless you opt in to data collection. > > You do not need to do this. > If the data are necessary for law enforcement, Audacity will hand it > over. This is presumably required by law, whether is is mentioned in the > privacy agreement or not. When you think about this, it's most alarming. There is no need for this functunality in the first place. "Sombody" has to work hard (infrastructure, time, resources) to implement this surveillance functionality. If it costs, "somebody" will want to ge a revenue. There is no such thing as a law to force the user to give data out of his/her hands unwillingly. This is a road everybody should pay close attention and if a project takes that turn - drop it. > There's no indication they will change the data they collect because law > enforcement requests it. This is not reassuring, on the contrary. > If law enforcement needs additional user data beyond what audacity has, > they presumably have to collect it from the user. So why sould the user accept audacity to to the police job? > As for the use of the software by children, audacity should simply refuse > to collect any data from children, and >* ask the user if they are children >* and if so, simply not colect those data, whether telemetry is turned > on or off. In my country this kind of "data gathering" is not allowed aka illegal, not only for children. Audacity will have a bad press when this goes public - and every distribution with this kind of spyware will get it's dose of "told you it's not better than Windows". Nik > > -- hendrik > > > > > -- > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing > > with the NSA, CIA ... > > ___ > > Dng mailing list > > Dng@lists.dyne.org > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Steam, Mumble, Valheim, Alsa and shared audio
On 7/3/21 09:59, g4sra via Dng wrote: 'dmix' is part of Alsa. RT? FM? Read The Fine Manual ~ go to the Alsa website and read up on the 'dmix' plugin, then google for example Alsa configurations for sharing devices. Thanks, I finally got this working yesterday. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..tenacity replaces Audacity like Devuan replaces Debian? Tenacity ditches spyware.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 08:33:18AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 02:33:36 +0200 > Arnt Karlsen scripsit: > > [...] > > ..thanks to Tim for pushing me to investigate that story, Jim did > > indeed say that, initially. And wise people update as they learn > > more... > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/no-open-source-audacity-audio-editor-is-not-spyware/?comments=1 > > > > ..and there's even more: > > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/audacitys-new-owner-is-in-another-fight-with-the-open-source-community/?comments=1 > > > > ..it's like Github's next owner making you pay to see source code. > > Sheet music is effectively the source code of music, and that > > analogy has been used to explain source code as a concept to the > > general public, to legislators and to jurors and judges in courts. > > > > > > It's most concerning. Just these lines: > > Personal data collected:Data necessary for law enforcement, litigation > and authorities' requests (if any) > Why collect it: For legal enforcement > Legal grounds for processing: Legitimate interest of WSM Group to defend its > legal rights and interests > > This is a strict no-go. Any software even with the "option" to get you > prosecuted by any countries laws will get you in trouble. Any sane person > should stay away from that crap as far as possible. > > Nik Audacity does not collect data unless you opt in to data collection. You do not need to do this. If the data are necessary for law enforcement, Audacity will hand it over. This is presumably required by law, whether is is mentioned in the privacy agreement or not. There's no indication they will change the data they collect because law enforcement requests it. If law enforcement needs additional user data beyond what audacity has, they presumably have to collect it from the user. As for the use of the software by children, audacity should simply refuse to collect any data from children, and * ask the user if they are children * and if so, simply not colect those data, whether telemetry is turned on or off. -- hendrik > > -- > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing > with the NSA, CIA ... > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ..tenacity replaces Audacity like Devuan replaces Debian? Tenacity ditches spyware.
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 23 Aug 02:33:36 +0200 Arnt Karlsen scripsit: > [...] > ..thanks to Tim for pushing me to investigate that story, Jim did > indeed say that, initially. And wise people update as they learn > more... > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/no-open-source-audacity-audio-editor-is-not-spyware/?comments=1 > > ..and there's even more: > https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/07/audacitys-new-owner-is-in-another-fight-with-the-open-source-community/?comments=1 > > ..it's like Github's next owner making you pay to see source code. > Sheet music is effectively the source code of music, and that > analogy has been used to explain source code as a concept to the > general public, to legislators and to jurors and judges in courts. > > It's most concerning. Just these lines: Personal data collected:Data necessary for law enforcement, litigation and authorities' requests (if any) Why collect it: For legal enforcement Legal grounds for processing: Legitimate interest of WSM Group to defend its legal rights and interests This is a strict no-go. Any software even with the "option" to get you prosecuted by any countries laws will get you in trouble. Any sane person should stay away from that crap as far as possible. Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
