Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:26:52 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > I'm a little afraid that people with insufficient knowledge, or with > political agendas, will water it down with bullshit. Is this the problem, and only problem, you want to solve? Is this a problem that _needs_ to be solved? > Only skilled people can modify source code, but any fool can modify > documentation. I resemble that remark. :) There are essays and there is documentation out there which has been formative to me, some of which I've taken and adapted. Were I to release something, the fact that it's my name backing it will mean whatever it means to a reader. I could misrepresent my work as coming from someone else, but the fact that I'm hosting it would reveal the lie. I think it's the collection of names authenticated by where it's hosted which matters, and if "any fool" modifies it, that matters only as a curiosity if it isn't "committed upstream" so-to-speak. Also, if each release or diff were signed via PGP by contributors, that might be useful so it can be hosted anywhere. When I think about it, I suppose the protectionism would be to prevent someone else from modifying it, representing it as theirs, slapping licensing on it then sending lawyers after others. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:16:58 -0500 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function, > was really not worth running. I've been interested in it because of promises of eliminating screen tearing when watching videos. I don't know if that's been implemented yet though. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] License for the DNG created software guide
On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 14:26:52 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Hi everyone, > > A discussion on this list about a month ago spawned several documents > about programming best practices, which I have been calling the "DNG > Software Guide", even though it's absolutely not sponsored or even > approved by Devuan. > > With the latest version at > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/presentations/golug_software_guide_20210901.tgz > , it's mature enough to get a license and Git distribution. This email > is about the license. > > If this were software, I'd probably vote for an extremely permissive > license like the license of Expat ( > https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat ). However, this is > documentation, and I'm a little afraid that people with insufficient > knowledge, or with political agendas, will water it down with bullshit. > Only skilled people can modify source code, but any fool can modify > documentation. > > Because of https://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html > , I think the GFDL would be a bad choice. > > I've been thinking of this for weeks now, and I'm stumped. What license > should we apply in order for this to be free and open information, and > yet to the degree possible, limit contamination by the uninformed or > the malicious? Hi, This are the Ten Commandments of software writing, have you ever heard of somebody who wants to change the Ten Commandments? Jokes aside there is no license whatsoever that will save your work from idiots because there are so many and because they will in due time find various and subtle ways to subvert and corrupt your work that you cannot even imagine now. The only helpful license is the one that forbids any modification, or subordinately permits modifications only under your supervision or under the supervision of a person appointed by you (unless by error you appoint one of the aforementioned idiots. That would be a pity!). I understand that this form of licensing is not propitious to encourage progress. OTOH often I ask myself: Progress? what progress? This are my pessimistic 2 cents. Ciao, Tito > Thanks, > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Information request re: wayland
On Thu, Sep 02, 2021 at 02:16:58PM -0500, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > My long time mentor in things Linux (described himself as a fossil) is no > longer with us. (He suggested that I strongly consider using Devuan which I > now have on one system.) > He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function, was > really not worth running. > Yet it is being touted as the X11 replacement and is now supposedly capable > of handling both multi-gpu and multi-monitor setups. If I recall correctly from way back in the early 90's on actual Unix systems, X already had a mechanism for handling multiple monitors. Has that fallen from X becuse of decades of bit-rot? Don't know about multiple GPUs sending to a single monitor, though. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Information request re: wayland
Greetings My long time mentor in things Linux (described himself as a fossil) is no longer with us. (He suggested that I strongly consider using Devuan which I now have on one system.) He was of the opinion that Wayland - - - whatever its exact function, was really not worth running. Yet it is being touted as the X11 replacement and is now supposedly capable of handling both multi-gpu and multi-monitor setups. What say you? TIA ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] License for the DNG created software guide
Hi everyone, A discussion on this list about a month ago spawned several documents about programming best practices, which I have been calling the "DNG Software Guide", even though it's absolutely not sponsored or even approved by Devuan. With the latest version at http://troubleshooters.com/linux/presentations/golug_software_guide_20210901.tgz , it's mature enough to get a license and Git distribution. This email is about the license. If this were software, I'd probably vote for an extremely permissive license like the license of Expat ( https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat ). However, this is documentation, and I'm a little afraid that people with insufficient knowledge, or with political agendas, will water it down with bullshit. Only skilled people can modify source code, but any fool can modify documentation. Because of https://people.debian.org/~srivasta/Position_Statement.html , I think the GFDL would be a bad choice. I've been thinking of this for weeks now, and I'm stumped. What license should we apply in order for this to be free and open information, and yet to the degree possible, limit contamination by the uninformed or the malicious? Thanks, SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] gcc-doc
On 01/09/21 16:43, Antony Stone wrote: On Wednesday 01 September 2021 at 12:33:38, Antonio A. Rendina via Dng wrote: Hi, I remember that there was a discussion about this, but I'm no able to find it anymore. The question is how do I install the gcc-doc package? For what I understand Debian put it on non-free, but on Devuan a have non-free and contrib enabled and I still don't find it. # apt-cache policy gcc-doc gcc-doc: Installed: (none) Candidate: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1 Version table: 5:8.3.0-1~bpo10+1 100 100 http://deb.devuan.org/merged beowulf-backports/contrib amd64 Packages So, for whatever reason, it's been put into contrib in backports on Buster / Beowulf. Thanks, this is the information that I was looking for. I like the idea to check the policy to get the right repo. Unfortunately this won't work if you don't have the repo already configured on sources.list. Antony. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] gcc-doc
On 01/09/21 16:43, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: - Original Message - From: "Antonio A. Rendina via Dng" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2021 6:33 AM Subject: [DNG] gcc-doc Hi, I remember that there was a discussion about this, but I'm no able to find it anymore. The question is how do I install the gcc-doc package? For what I understand Debian put it on non-free, but on Devuan a have non-free and contrib enabled and I still don't find it. Thanks What version of the system do you have? I have Beowulf. I have chimaera and if it appears in synaptic gcc-10-doc documentation for the GNU compilers (gcc, gobjc, g++) This package contains manual pages and documentation in info, html, and pdf format, for the GNU compilers. This documentation is licensed under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License, and contains invariant sections, so it can't be part of Debian main. Best Regards -- Ismael Lorenzo Donis Garcia Devuan User: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=devuan Web Site: https://gitlab.uic.cu/ismael.donis/sistema-de-contabilidad-general/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
