Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
It occurred to me after writing this, that those who switch to a dbus-free setup probably would already have the expertise to configure their networking, and may not be in need of a simple network-manager type program. This was my first time performing this type of configuration (removing dbus). tempforever wrote: > Removing dbus also seems to have removed network-manager, and I have > lost wifi connection. Was able to get on wired with ifconfig, route > (and editing /etc/resolv.conf) -- too lazy to use iwconfig. But this > may need mentioning in the documentation. Is there a simple alternative > to network-manager that doesn't depend on dbus? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
(off-topic section) I used the devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta2_2021-09-04_amd64_desktop-live.iso to set up my system. I use legacy startup (not EFI) but apparently the refracta installer and grub included on the live iso want EFI only (or incorrectly detected my system as using that). Anyway, I was able to chroot in after setup, and installed grub-legacy, and eventually got it all figured out and a bootable system. (now to the topic, documentation) "Devuan without D-Bus" Yes, this is still possible. I followed the steps to install fluxbox and wdm. The step to "apt-get purge dbus" removed ~150 packages (I had the default XFCE); then "apt-get autoremove --purge" removed ~450 more. The system does boot up into the selected window manager. I did not try the section dealing with manual mount points. I'm not aware of any reason why that would not still work. Removing dbus also seems to have removed network-manager, and I have lost wifi connection. Was able to get on wired with ifconfig, route (and editing /etc/resolv.conf) -- too lazy to use iwconfig. But this may need mentioning in the documentation. Is there a simple alternative to network-manager that doesn't depend on dbus? goli...@devuan.org wrote: > And how is any of this conversation helping Devuan sort out > documentation for the Chimaera release? > > The revised list needing assessment is: > > https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ > > General information (will need to be updated to Chimaera at the least) > Devuan without D-Bus (is this still possible?) > D-Bus free software (quite possibly out of date) > Minimal xorg install > Minimal XFCE install > > Thanks, > golinux > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Some questions to update the debian to devuan migration script
Hi, some questions I hope somebody on the list can answer: 1) is debian-pulseaudio-config-override still needed in chimaera? Found out myself: seems not. 2) are other config-override packages needed (for standard debian DE setups) as I see there are a few in the repos? 3) are these config-override packages automagically sucked in by installing some devuan package? Thanks in advance for your answers. Ciao, Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] motherboard with "wifi-enabled"
On 9/21/21 16:34, Haines Brown wrote: I'm looking at a Gigabyte Z590 AORUS Elite motherboard. One version of this motherbard (designated Ax) is "wifi-enabled". It also supports bluetooth I suppose this means that the NIC is on the board. I have no reason to think this would be useful under Linux. Am I wrong? The Wi-Fi chip on that board appears to be an Intel 6E with Bluetooth 5.2 integrated on the chipset. There appears to be a wired LAN port as well. You might be able to use either, or both. It also supports bluetooth, but I've no idea what is the use of a MB bluetooth connection with a motherboard. As with any other chipset on that board, I would check that the Linux kernel (of your distro) includes support (kernel modules) for those electronics. Bluetooth is handy for wireless headsets and maybe other things, but I don't tend to use it myself. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] motherboard with "wifi-enabled"
I'm looking at a Gigabyte Z590 AORUS Elite motherboard. One version of this motherbard (designated Ax) is "wifi-enabled". It also supports bluetooth I suppose this means that the NIC is on the board. I have no reason to think this would be useful under Linux. Am I wrong? It also supports bluetooth, but I've no idea what is the use of a MB bluetooth connection with a motherboard. I'm not inclinded to pay the extra money to have wifi come enabled unless it actually worked. -- Haines Brown ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
And how is any of this conversation helping Devuan sort out documentation for the Chimaera release? The revised list needing assessment is: https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ General information (will need to be updated to Chimaera at the least) Devuan without D-Bus (is this still possible?) D-Bus free software (quite possibly out of date) Minimal xorg install Minimal XFCE install Thanks, golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 04:16:26PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote: > <--snip--> > > Net question: how to get a '/' in a file name instead of having it > > interpreted as a separator in a path. > > > > > I needed it once long ago when using a file system that had been built > > on another OS. > > > > > I resorted to using a hexadecimal editor on the raw disk to get rid of > > the thing. > Been there, done that. > Now my time is worth more than the effort to go down that road. > > I opt to live dangerously..(shove an '-r' in there too if you feel like it) > > $ rm -i .* * > > this way you can delete illegitimate entries without hacking the filesystem. > I've done that to files I didn't want with some very strange unicode in their names. But it's not a solution if you actually want to see the contents of the file. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
<--snip--> > Net question: how to get a '/' in a file name instead of having it > interpreted as a separator in a path. > > I needed it once long ago when using a file system that had been built > on another OS. > > I resorted to using a hexadecimal editor on the raw disk to get rid of > the thing. Been there, done that. Now my time is worth more than the effort to go down that road. I opt to live dangerously..(shove an '-r' in there too if you feel like it) $ rm -i .* * this way you can delete illegitimate entries without hacking the filesystem. publickey - g4sra@protonmail.com - 0x42E94623.asc Description: application/pgp-keys signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 10:49:30AM +0300, Eric Pozharski wrote: > On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 09:08:16AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 10:31:19PM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > > On 2021-09-16 22:30, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > *SKIP* > > The command for finding the correct display driver: > > root@devuan:~# apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video-.* | pager > > Shouldn't the '*' be quoted in some manner so that the apt-cache > > command gets to interpret it instead of the shell: > > No, it might not. It's bashism (zsh has special option to let filename > generation fail, and it's unset by default; while bash) > > % bash > bash-5.1$ echo abc* > abc* So if there's no file matching the pattern, bash leaves the pattern as is without replacing it with nothing? Interesting. I'll have to think twice before I use * in a file name in a shell command. At least rm abc* will still remove a file actually called abc* Net question: how to get a '/' in a file name instead of having it interpreted as a separator in a path. I needed it once long ago when using a file system that had been built on another OS. I resorted to using a hexadecimal editor on the raw disk to get rid of the thing. -- hendrik > > It's risky indeed, but it's hard to imagine files with > 'xserver-xorg-video-.' prefix just laying around (these days). > > p.s. Ok then. Done with get-off-my-lawn mode this time. > > *CUT* > -- > Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination > Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Review of documentation needed
On Mon, Sep 20, 2021 at 09:08:16AM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Sep 19, 2021 at 10:31:19PM -0500, goli...@devuan.org wrote: > > On 2021-09-16 22:30, goli...@devuan.org wrote: *SKIP* > The command for finding the correct display driver: > root@devuan:~# apt-cache search xserver-xorg-video-.* | pager > Shouldn't the '*' be quoted in some manner so that the apt-cache > command gets to interpret it instead of the shell: No, it might not. It's bashism (zsh has special option to let filename generation fail, and it's unset by default; while bash) % bash bash-5.1$ echo abc* abc* It's risky indeed, but it's hard to imagine files with 'xserver-xorg-video-.' prefix just laying around (these days). p.s. Ok then. Done with get-off-my-lawn mode this time. *CUT* -- Torvalds' goal for Linux is very simple: World Domination Stallman's goal for GNU is even simpler: Freedom ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
