Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable
On 2018年6月11日 21:15:43 JST, Alessandro Selli wrote: >On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 at 14:27:21 +0200 >Jaromil wrote: > >> ahoy! >> >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2018, Irrwahn wrote: >> >>> Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 09.06.2018 07:05: Dear Init Freedom Lovers Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! We are happy to announce that Devuan GNU+Linux 2.0 ASCII Stable is finally available.[...] >>> >>> Omedetō gozaimasu, Devuan ASCII! >> >> to the list of thanks Daniel mentions, I'd like to add you as well >> Irrwahn for all the patient help you offered to this release and >> together with your also Andreas Messner. Yours is the merit of >> Devuan's desktop being less and less entangled by DMs/policykit mess. >> >> this weekend the news of our release made a splash on community fora, >> namely hackernews https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17274623 where >> our effort was always heavily denigrated and mocked, now starts >> emerging some reasonable feedback. And last not least slashdot where >> Bruce Perens declared his endorsement for Devuan 8^D >> >https://linux.slashdot.org/story/18/06/10/0321233/systemd-free-devuan-20-ascii-officially-released > > It made #4 in the "Most Discussed" list of topics: > >440 Telsa Short-Sellers Lose $1 Billion >412 In the Trump Administration, Science Is Unwelcome. So Is Advice. >382 Should Developers Abandon Agile? >265 Systemd-Free Devuan 2.0 'ASCII' Officially Released >243 The World Isn't Prepared for Retirement > > Just great! > > >Alessandro > >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Just to say a big thanks to Dev1 dev for ascii release! keep up this wonderful work. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate
On 2018年5月10日 7:11:07 JST, Veteran Unix Admins collective wrote: >Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > >Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > >We are happy to announce that the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate >is now available thanks to the support, feedback, and collaboration of >the Devuan community. Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable will be following soon. > >The Devuan 2.0 ASCII RC installer now offers a wider variety of >Desktop Environments including XFCE, KDE, MATE, Cinnamon, LXQT (with >others available post-install). In addition, there are options for >"Console productivity" with hundreds of CLI and TUI utils, as well as >a minimal base system ideal for servers. > >When installing from ISO, the expert install option offers a choice of >SysVinit and OpenRC. Official ready-to-use Devuan 2.0 ASCII RC images >are available for dozens of ARM boards and SOCs, including Raspberry >Pi, BeagleBone, OrangePi, BananaPi, OLinuXino, Cubieboard, Nokia N900, >and several Chromebooks, as well as for Virtualbox/QEMU/Vagrant. > >The desktop-live images are recommended for users to explore and >easily install Devuan 2.0 ASCII RC and also for the press to review >the default Xfce desktop. > >The minimal-live image provides a full-featured console-based system >with a particular focus on accessibility. > >Devuan developers have already started working on the third Devuan >release codenamed Beowulf (Planet nr. 38086). Preliminary installer >images should be ready for testing soon. > >## Download > >Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate images are available for download >at: >http://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_rc/ >and from the ISO mirrors listed at: >http://devuan.org/get-devuan >The latter URL also includes information about the official Devuan >repositories. > >## Upgrade > >Upgrade paths from Debian Jessie, Devuan Jessie, and Debian Stretch >are available. Please see the instructions at: >https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/ > >The following will be enough to upgrade if you are already using >Devuan ASCII Beta: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade > >## Derivatives > >The Devuan project is about providing a reliable universal base for >derivatives to build on its foundation. These recent Devuan >derivatives deserve special recognition: > >Maemo Leste is a new ASCII-based derivative succesfully ported on a >number of mobile phones like the Nokia N900, N950, Motorola Droid 4, >Allwinner tablets and more. https://maemo-leste.github.io/ > >DecodeOS is another ASCII-based derivative targeting micro-service >usage on anonymous network clusters. It includes original software >developed to automatically build p2p networks as Tor hidden service >families. https://decodeos.dyne.org/ > >heads, the libre privacy distro previously based on ASCII, continues >its development and has already moved forward to Beowulf as its new >base. https://heads.dyne.org > >More Devuan derivatives can be found at: >https://devuan.org/os/partners/devuan-distros > >## Contact > >Mailing list: >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >IRC: #devuan #devuan-dev (Freenode) >Forum: http://dev1galaxy.org >Press contact: free...@devuan.org >Bug tracker: https://bugs.devuan.org >Popularity contest: https://popcon.devuan.org > > >## Appreciation > >We wish to thank all of you for the incredible support given to this >development effort, which continues to make Devuan a useful and >reliable base distro as well as a pleasant and cooperative community. > >To support the Devuan project: https://devuan.org/donate > >Financial reports for the year 2017 are available for download from >the same page. > >happy hacking ;^) > >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Congratulations for the nice and really useful work! 10x a lot! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Happy New Year!
On 2018年1月2日 6:09:54 JST, Didier Kryn wrote: > Buon Anno devuanisti ! >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng 明けましておめでとうございますデフ1! HappyNew to dev1 from the land of the rising sun! 10x a lot for all the wonderful work! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Expansion of the development team
Thanks for all the work! On 2017年11月6日 3:44:29 JST, goli...@dyne.org wrote: >Dear Dev1rs, > >Because Devuan is growing and needs more hands on deck to make and >execute important decisions, Devuan's lead development team has grown >from three to five. This decision evolved over several weeks of >discussion. > >Original LEADs: nextime, jaromil and Centurion_Dan > >New team: jaromil, Centurion_Dan, KatolaZ, Evilham and rrq > >The group decided, from the options suggested, that they will be >collectively referred to as the 'Caretakers'. Their responsibilities >include attending to maintenance of the infrastructure and facilitating > >and improving the availability of Devuan to its users. The website's >Team page will soon reflect the changes. > >nextime, while maintaining infrastructure and being available for >emergencies is currently not participating in the day-to-day operations > >entrusted to the Caretakers. > >The Caretakers have been working well together and with renewed energy >on the task of releasing ASCII 2.0 as soon as possible in order to sync > >with Debian's release schedule. > >The Dev1Devs >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate
On 2017年4月23日 16:19:10 JST, Jaromil wrote: > > >On 23 April 2017 04:35:55 CEST, "メット" wrote: >> >> >>On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen >>wrote: >>>On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200 >>>Veteran Unix Admins wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers, >>>> >>> >> >> >>>Please advise if there is any difference between this release >>candidate >>>and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date. > >there is no difference, only that the RC >provides a full range of working installers > >those who are already running jessie can >simply continue keeping up with updates > >cheers! 10x for the info! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 stable release candidate
On 2017年4月22日 23:26:47 JST, Thaddeus Nielsen wrote: >On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 18:14:08 +0200 >Veteran Unix Admins wrote: > >> Dear Init Freedom Lovers, >> >> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! >> >> Our April 2017 gift to you is the long-awaited release of Devuan >> Jessie stable release candidate (1.0.0-RC). If all goes as planned, >> this will be our first Devuan stable release and our first long term >> support (LTS) release as well. >> > >Please advise if there is any difference between this release candidate >and an installed beta release that has been kept up-to-date. > RPTN Thanks a lot for the wonderful work. And same question as above. Cheers! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] We need to speak up
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2017年3月15日 12:40:48 JST, Don Wright wrote: >Steve Litt wrote: >>Can somebody please make a list, that we can put our names on, of >>people who left Debian because of systemd? And put the name Steve Litt >>on it please. > >Add mine too. I was a Debian supporter and pusher through my local LUG, >showing Linux (mostly Debian-based) and handing out CDs at the >occasional trade show, and also participating a bit on the debian-boot >(installer development) maillist. The increasing arrogance within the >project, demonstrated strongly by the systemd debacle, is what made me >a >former Debian user. > >Don Wright > >-- >Sponsored by Berserker Express. At BE, we bring things to Goodlife. > >___ >Dng mailing list >Dng@lists.dyne.org >https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Add mine as well -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJYyLxdIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92Nk2ncIAJgrWY8a+n6OVOj35Vusy2LIu87lKEgYuH6uXneSeW52 ObrsFoV0U4a9Db8KoQW2rOGZwc1INH7TAXE8UApQ37NwhjdJZZDdUg/VakuUpyhd 2zo7JQjLYb+5+ZlwaAc1YR52JabJ0PHO2dk2kHaalbkeOiHBYUd37Qswq9iblarN Y9Oyk1pQRnydGHwbaFJ9+DOaMth7E7TJTvPZuT0q7c+znxDND5DbLCGv8L0W2gZI X2qOFyoqqdci+HvdMwByfPtveyV3HFzZRi29QU/y2GBegnWyzXX1IULUp31+7tXH mVtBpw45FFz9DFMLr8CmPcyXtOt6B/4ARSMxl5fXtLE= =BZQJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] xserver-xorg dev1fanboy git wiki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi all Thanks for the wonderful work with Dev1 and the wealth of knowledge u provide o n the list, on the web. It seems dev1fanboy wiki about minimal Xorg install is missing a package: xserver-xorg Ive just tried a fresh install with dev1 iso on amd64, lenovo l512, and everything went very smoothly. Thanx again and bye. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJXu4bdIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92NkLDgH/3PupxxM4EcvPJ4AIKZryO754tbd+BdY6nbIcqSTOtaZ 7FlEyUldlI/eBGyw4cjRFcWQ1WGYsCguCs23dvNdncJdQDzewMeCJI4YwYVpxIVa bqVFiCaOKhYWfRudVIcSvzE20PAZpSVg9Zuu37DC4zQDqglydx/2+CMSuKl4RtlA NrXE6eliBEk5KUYPB7H6b99MJ/CQjPcj4xpG05YC2OabYlxjQynfxCu8DsvOzR+W vK7pKOj7sKQ5HiquXuYaHFe6Bpk/EJlbRXPYsKi90YzBAx4Jvmx2TeHG7aD6iB8U +wFE4zJW2Zjy7PyTSfBVoV9CjdE9RHcwhoKKrPfFOgk= =LvwK -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] You might have seen this already...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2016年5月29日 8:43:56 JST, Simon Walter wrote: >On 05/28/2016 09:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> This means the leading sentence would be more appropriately worded as > >> "In my opinion, it's actually quite strange that UNIX(*) enables >users >> of the system to run background jobs". > >Well put! > > >On 05/29/2016 02:48 AM, Steve Litt wrote: >> I see poettering's point, but it's just not a problem for me. I don't >> use a desktop environment that, without my permission or knowledge, >> starts tens of processes in my behalf. For the most part, when a >> process is started in my behalf, I personally started it from a >command >> prompt, Dmenu or UMENU. So I can choose whether or not to close it >> before logging out. > >I think this is Lennart's biggest failing. He is trying to make a >traditionally server OS into an entertainment system. Face it, most >people these days use their devices for entertainment - not work. So >it's not even fair to say that systemd is useful for workstations. > >> Every bit of this was predictable from the moment we learned about >> systemd's architecture. Gratuitous component intercommunication leads >to >> ever worsening problems. A system with gratuitous component >> intercommunication is so complex that it's difficult to predict >exactly >> what those problems will be, but it's a certainty those problems will >> occur. >> > >It's also scope creep, which is diametrically opposed to "one tool for >one job". Some of the comments on that list were interesting: "...who >in >turn will finally get annoyed at systemd." It's like they understand >the >problems associated with systemd but are committed to it. So now they >have to protect their decision - making their relationship with systemd > >more emotional than logical. > >I am not afraid of change, yet, experience has shown that consensus is >wonderful. Lennart doesn't seem to understand that. I am so glad that >there are people with, shall we call them, traditional (unix) values >still on this planet. +1 for this last sentence Big big thanks to devuan -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJXSozEIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92NkuU8H/R8cVBvCfvYCeatDUhi4kXWv9nM7Dw5OwhzrXTQHoOvl j5okgXTlTM4PUvJei2yf4va1j9+f5bU39Kdykm8RYbuw8+Mt8ougyOMaQFKHBRC1 9Al0cokiDicTDgvnZyXsyg6Qf44uYDFdRlMRdhQ7jSRnug/sl3PbcSkF1MAnkXRp PaUNZXkPRMyYkx1lqt0nRrEvemj3EQy+vnBSc5GE5ZfY2MnF5/CwYHDE8rdcWzk2 mTFoXlnrQ3MvGuMnSJA/uiXLMewHX5OilS6sXucLzjw7iwKRY30V3VDEZgJ/F+j9 HbieNBNvCSpLmSD45X668pisS88OiP+ASNMUm+5PB6s= =wBs6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2016年4月21日 7:07:45 JST, Steve Litt wrote: >On Wed, 20 Apr 2016 19:46:26 + >hellekin wrote: > >> This thread contains a lot of praise for Devuan. I want to ask you >> whether it's fine to use it on devuan.org for promotion. You're >> welcome to reply here. I'll contact everyone individually to ask >> anyway. >> >> Cheers >> >> == >> hk >> > >I'd be pleased as punch if you did, and you hereby have my permission >to use anything I wrote in the thread for any kind of Devuan promotion >you want. > >SteveT Same here -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJXGARfIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92NkI+oH/iZGUX7PW0e8FYPwFnfDWCKAeQ8+cvL+J4q95uIfJcwZ PsbbJAkHjRRnaRCuJw1f4heXYu9xVrWFaesiiAxeDrmcMR4Vw0/lu6Fo5NFmXMYN azNNvfzbMQT3z/+uzG1s/opPaTqjDiZqrnH04yqCLs8SFRxkENmjf+L0C8X1ErDb /9kq+qi6+s4LhgxGHLfcQSPUyS+GvHQX6vNvtn54A/OB2Eljn0vx+MZpdUNX7sbo fKW375+zOZBGfKAbH1NKXY+QWC55zDpGwqQdQINbpQnifV1yIqvcPxqU3ZCfd5/L 8tv5d+rZBwjjdKjK9/MTNBht/ukfRUODTVXk7kqYSdI= =Nb/I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2016年4月17日 10:00:44 JST, Steve Litt wrote: >Hi all, [snipped] I figure maybe if he heard a few of your use cases, he >might feel more confident about his future in Linux. Please copy >Patrick in your replies. > >SteveT > > >Much to my regret (and others, too, I'm sure), yesterday, on 15 April >2016, the beginning of the end began for Wheezy. Google, as announced > >[snipped by Steve Litt] > >Well, at least I have time to look for an alternative. Maybe, Devuan >will be viable by then, but I doubt it. Or Debian will offer a choice >of inits as a standard option during installs on future releases, but I >very much doubt it. >_ Hi, Using devuan on prod server here as well (proliant xeon, apache 2.4, mariadb, postfix dovecot, gdns, fail2ban, vsftpd, asterisk) I event went hc and tried the non-dbus stuff on laptop Working as a charm and im not a programmer... Just had to change from ibus-anthy to emacs for japanese ime(laptop). Dev1 saved my freedom, i hope i can contribute one day. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJXE6iUIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92NkrTkH/iE3llz6BvfETzl7MLSbGCd2zc8vnDoizD0LGRcoieEc QEpDE3sWrZU3h50ek8ytw8vmclW4mC3WSAHlqKg9rRFBkRsUKD5hmRTR9bmcaSnA /tCNdZcYDVF/Ia/a3QI00oTIg1j2XR4Pot2JwVNdCFKXyBRI6SR9S7jro8uCAV4X RcwFhwgkqKOzc3wI4wS8f7Ke/lf78B/j56wO5D0ZgsUPmzqCgcnTsYvxBvOMSMq/ irWUZ37LraX69ruyIkoRro454M7igOQEcuOAu1rYRChDmE3sy1W/Z5tZihWfiA0u 3CESAnrQRReT1Y+WuXLVZ2NYODihTLiJDnYRwioBIU4= =qyIb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Input Method Framework
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 「snip」 >>removed dbus and installed fluxbox 「snip」 >> Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent >> this. > >Why do input methids hang out in window managers anyway? >Isn't the proper, logical place in the keyboard handler inside X? > >-- hendrik 「snip」 I never really thought about it. What u say seems logical, ill investigate this way. Thanks for the pointer. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJWoBxsIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92Nkx8wH/06+ZTYerXLZ6NeHIlGNJAnhsGodTKjQXXNBGGVW2fR9 rxtL4CtnBHyNCAoRoHpK2D9jBeRbyJ+9zMVnBxH7z5OJaSwrmJnaa0/7yDn4Bsuv fseskHgX8YqpiGA/P0QPzxkPFUxcuU9F2MyMguBq1pJLeLTBo/78idxz9ZjUN7u8 pLXMAiUAoMexE8QmpBKG6mUmMqJ/LOd5xbhBWBrGO8Pl0qlu3m0XtlVPCmNlaC7X z+WvbNcohA4R+QcT3SE+py7Oc0padZgXEanQrwOOHBG1AYR6HdBLshwebU2Vixus q+ZsIPkKUbrBw/82iEUUIGNaYDNc6TOGuJZKtvXjujs= =w+JO -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Input Method Framework
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi dear list, Thanks again for all the work u did on Dev1 and tell me if I can help in anyway. I followed devuanfanboy howto, removed dbus and installed fluxbox(was under xfce b4) Thing is Im using Japanese a lot and need anthy or similar. I used to go with scim or ibus but it seems they both need dbus, even the compiled version. Was wondering if sby knew a non-dbus dependant IM or a way to circumvent this. Also, I had some luck w/ the pkged ibus version, and could write Japanese despite the fact it complained about not finding dbus. Problem then was I couldnt use Fluxbox, only the running applications(tabbed and surf)were working. Will take any pointers or advices, TIA. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQE9BAEBCgAnBQJWns2oIBxNZXR0IEhlbF9LZWl0YWkgPG1ldHRAcG1hcnMuanA+ AAoJEPao4OPC92Nkf6AIALOTyoYdGYlOg+3HPr0G5XwgC7OfgC/yNbXqV2Yhh5Gy ucGWbriX8NYr50FUnFxrStLVWfqecu56F4Tii08A28noHSdzstlYouxpWYgC1OF3 rU5vhQlRuev53tDiVxwiYCSvN25eiqW8DcbVw9pvsVx0N3ONcKdy8XjLoRVTSUH3 dHgZKcWAhv9nF4j1IrOJc9Fp2TSsdqIpGmT5r3sPmMG6KVYQk064g3NJqNeyAM5b 2OdHdZrE0mC44Z6sJRMOrFKtd/3Ilf2R3C/omSBa2FUt3gAgsI8owhpU/S1nf9jN 2Nrx6R9Eh0iK900c0iRTQJgjBd3c3+s2PHAFfZ8rS7g= =+/VY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng