Selfish in what way exactly? Is Systemd closed source?
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 9:53 AM, shraptor shraptor <shrap...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wouldn't say systemd developers are evil > merely selfish > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2015, Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> As a honest feedback: >> >> Currently I do not read much of the threads here. >> >> Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or >> infecting people´s systems. >> >> It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems. >> >> What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having to put up >> with systemd at some point. >> >> Yet, at any time it has been upstream developers or package maintainers >> who *decided* to adopt it. >> >> >> Saying that systemd is the source of all evil and we are doomed to it, is >> in no way helpful for any "we want to be without systemd" efforts like >> Devuan. Quite the opposite: It harms the credibility of such projects, >> cause it gives the impression that those projects just consists of a bunch >> of people who circulate conspirations theories about systemd *without* >> doing *anything* about the situation. >> >> >> So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop >> assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that >> systemd developers essentially mean it good. They have no evil plans to >> take over the world or do harm to others. Instead they believe that what >> they do is worthwhile. >> >> Of course its totally and perfectly okay not to agree with that. >> >> >> But please stop assuming intentions that may or may not be there. And for >> your own benefit, stop using a language which gives your power away. >> >> systemd is no cancer and it does not infect systems. >> >> If systemd is on your system, either you installed it or upgraded it and >> your distro package maintainers decided to use it. >> >> So systemd developers, if you agree with it or not, had quite some success >> in convincing others to use and rely on systemd. >> >> >> Yet this is exactly what makes Devuan possible: >> >> If you put some effort to it, like for example Jude does without engaging >> much into the fear based threads so far as I have seen, *it is perfectly >> possible to have a system without systemd*. >> >> And no systemd whatsoever would infect such a system. It just doesn´t have >> the power to do it. Its a piece of code. It has no power whatsoever on its >> own. Its no evil critter which just sits next to computer and waits for a >> chance to take it over. >> >> And if you are constructive and positive in your approach, and your >> systems provides a good alternative, then more may adopt it in the future. >> >> >> Yes, some upstream developers decided to rely on functionality provided by >> systemd and some depend on it, instead of making it optional. And yes, I >> see this development with concern. But it is still a decision. No >> automatic effect. >> >> systemd has absolutely and totally *no* power over you. >> >> systemd upstream has absolutely and totally *no* power over you. >> >> I want to repeat this: >> >> Neither systemd nor systemd upstream have any power over you. >> >> >> This is still *free* software. >> >> >> Stop giving your power away. >> >> Instead: Claim it. Claim it by using a language that is free of self- >> defeating patterns like that. A language that puts back the responsibility >> in your hands. >> >> Feel your fear, appreciate it, and by that unlock the power you locked >> down in it. >> >> You have any power in the world to support any efforts to have a systemd >> free system. >> >> So now choose: In what way do you want to spend your energy? >> >> >> Did any of the talk about systemd being a cancer or infecting people´s >> system do *any* good to change the situation? Did it work? Or do efforts >> like the one of Jude with vdev any good to change the situation? Does it >> work? >> >> Do more of what works, and instead of repeating patterns that are >> ineffective in changing your current situation, do something that works as >> well. >> >> Or if you do not want to invest the time, let others do it and be grateful >> about it instead of filling this list with powerless and self-defeating >> thought patterns. >> >> >> (That said I think cancer usually is no death sentence either and there >> are quite powerful approaches in addition or as alternative to academic >> medicine to deal with it. And I believe that there are ways to help the >> body to deal with any kind of infection.) >> >> Ciao, >> -- >> Martin 'Helios' Steigerwald - http://www.Lichtvoll.de >> GPG: 03B0 0D6C 0040 0710 4AFA B82F 991B EAAC A599 84C7 >> _______________________________________________ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > > > _______________________________________________ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > _______________________________________________ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng