Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On Mon, 10/24/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch To: dng@lists.dyne.org, "Adam Borowski" Date: Monday, October 24, 2016, 12:48 PM [cut] > > But one thing is true: there are not many good gtk3-themes at the moment [*]. > [cut] > > [*] Vertex is one of them. > I have found vertex to be buggy. And it falls over badly on synaptic etc. Hope something better appears before needed for ascii . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On Wed, 10/19/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2016, 8:10 AM > > Hi all, > > I think this idea of having a Clearlooks option is fine. It would be a nice > feature to boast about for the next > release (version 8.1?). > Perhaps you didn't understand my comment about Clearlooks. Basically it's a dead project so hardly anything to boast about. It does not play well with gtk3 apps so windows are not styled consistently. Clearlooks-Phenix fixes most of those problems in Jessie and even has an openbox option! But who knows if it will work in ascii because gtk3 is turning into an unholy mess that keeps breaking window themes. The alternatives I've looked at are not promising. Gnome wants to have their 'branded' style consistent without user intervention/choice so I think some of this is on purpose. But synaptic (and a few other gnome apps) are handy to have around and it would be nice to have them look and function properly. Even Clearlooks-Phenix may totally fail in ascii. I haven't ventured there yet (and am not looking forward to it) . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On Tue, 10/18/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016, 12:40 PM On Tue, 18 Oct 2016 14:30:52 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: >> >> Here's a suggestion . . . >> >> Why don't you roll your own low vision-friendly Refracta! >> > That ain't a half bad idea! OK. Let's get to it! >> >> That would be so easy to do with refractasnapshot >> > I'll need guidance with refractasnapshot. http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html >> >> after you've made the appropriate changes >> > Yeah, that was my next question. Changes to what? Where do I start in > making this theme? Change the wallpaper/background by right clicking on the desktop. Fonts, etc. from Menu > Settings > Appearance >> >> and way more efficient than us trying to figure >> out what would and wouldn't work. >> > Yeah, I could do it in a day, which is way quicker than a back and > forth via IRC. Time will tell. >> >> Don't know if fsr has room to >> host it himself but he could surely provide prominent links to it on >> the Refracta website, forum and sourceforge. >> > Well wait. This thing is only relevant if, at boot, the person can > choose it. If it's hosted elsewhere, and the user must navigate through > an interface he can't see in order to download it, it's not worth doing. > Anybody interested in refracta would be made aware of a low-vision friendly edition and where to download it. And as fsr mentioned, perhaps it could be included in the main iso as another user. Only problem I see with that is that refracta is pared down to fit on a cd so there might not be room to do it that way. > > Remember, this is like a buried shovel. The user must read in order to > use my theme, and must use my theme to read. > See above. Potential users will READ before they download so will know how and where to get what they need. > > Does Refracta ship with a factory direct, untweaked clearlooks? That > might be a good place to start. > Both Devuan and Refracta use a customized Clearlooks-Phenix theme. Clearlooks is not GTK3 friendly and these days GTK3 support is really needed. Clearlooks-Phenix was the best compromise. > > And I'll need your help on this, because I don't know which files and > variables change which properties. I'll just ask you on #debianfork. > That should get you started. > > Thanks, > > SteveT > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
On Mon, 10/17/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Monday, October 17, 2016, 7:14 PM > > A COUPLE OTHER REFRACTA SUGGESTIONS > > The Refracta I installed on the laptop was very hostile to those with > bad vision. It had this garish mostly orange and some black background > that camouflaged any desktop icons and even terminals. The terminals > were set to some low contrast thing like #aa on #00, with small > fonts, and transparency. Imagine how hard it was to read anything when > the garish background obscured the tiny, low contrast writing on the > terminal. > > Pretty is nice, but pretty is a luxury for the well-sighted. Those of > us with lousy vision hugely prioritize legibility, which is usually a > direct tradeoff with pretty. There are times I can't read pretty enough > to configure it to legibility. > > So I'd suggest a second theme for Refracta, either selectible at boot, > or runnable by a click on the top left desktop icon (remember, the user > might not be seeing the icon clearly enough to read it). The legibility > theme should feature: > > * No background image. Just a straight #006600 color, no gradient. > > * Terminal coloration either #00 on #ff or #ff on #00. >Yeah, that gives some people headaches, but those of us with bad >vision can't even use the less contrasty stuff. > > * Big font for the terminals. Big enough that an 80x25 terminal >emulator should occupy considerably more than 1/4 of the monitor >area. Consider bold fonts. Ugly, but more readable to the >less-sighted. > > * No friggin transparency! > > * Window border width of 2px instead of 1px, colored very noticibly, >especially for the active window (I use #00 for the active window >border and #66 for the inactive window border). No silly >gradients on the titlebar: legibility for the poorly sighted demands >a solid block recognizeable as such. > > * Window title bar font big, similar to what I described for the >terminal emulator font, and very contrasty with the window title bar >background color. > > * Active window's titlebar *VERY* noticible at a moment's glance. My >active titlebar has a background of #DD and foreground #CC. >I'm not color blind, but if I were, I might prefer something like >#00 on #FF. Ugly to most of us, but to a poorly-sighted >colorblind person this would be a saving grace. > > As you read this, it will sound horribly ugly to you, but please > remember it will be used by very few. Most people will use the standard > theme. The only purpose of this alternate theme is to help those whose > vision is so bad they can't afford pretty. And please remember, unless > this alternate theme is either default or dead-bang easy and intuitive > to get to, the poorly sighted person will not have the visual acuity to > navigate the standard theme enough to make their computer legible. > > Thanks, > > SteveT > Here's a suggestion . . . Why don't you roll your own low vision-friendly Refracta! That would be so easy to do with refractasnapshot after you've made the appropriate changes and way more efficient than us trying to figure out what would and wouldn't work. Don't know if fsr has room to host it himself but he could surely provide prominent links to it on the Refracta website, forum and sourceforge. Cheers! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 final release?
On Tue, 10/18/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 final release? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, October 18, 2016, 3:08 AM > > Greetings All, > > By now I'm sure all with an interest in Devuan have seen the review of > Refracta that I wrote for DistroWatch. > [snip] > > When the much anticipated final release makes its debut, it will undoubtedly > be reviewed on DistroWatch, > and there is a better-than-even chance that > I'll be the one to write the story. > [snip] > > cheers, > Robert> Robert, That was an awesome review! By now you must have seen the outpourings of appreciation in the comments on the Distrowatch site. Well done! Refracta has always been an amazing little distro (it fits on a cd!). And now that's it's based on Devuan even more so. Nice that it's finally getting the recognition it deserves. Hopefully, we'll be seeing a review of Devuan Jessie soon . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Refracta on Distrowatch
FYI . . . Refracta 8.0 gets a nice review on Distrowatch http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20161017#refracta Way to go fsmithred! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] A chromium "wontfix" webcam video bug
This is a bit off-topic but I wanted to record it here should anyone else run across this bug that chrome/chromium devs have intentionally inflicted on their users. This saga began when I purchased my first webcam - a Logitech C270 - a few weeks ago. It took a little fiddling with .asoundrc to get the audio working - thanks archwiki! After that tweak, everything seemed to work. Cheese was good. Hangouts worked just fine on FF. But nothing would activate video on meet.jit.si (or hangouts) on chromium even though the settings correctly identified the camera and it was definitely "live". I finally connected with one of the devs on freenode#jitsi. At first he was stumped. But then he suggested I try appending #config.resolution=360 to the meet.jit.si url. Bingo! Reducing the resolution allowed the camera to function even though it had the capability for 720p. He pointed me to this old chrome/chromium wontfix bug: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=399939#c22 Note this bug also prevents hangouts from working on chromium and the above hack didn't work for me. So much for backwards compatibility . . . Would be nice if the jitsi folks added the hack into their code but I'm not holding my breath. These days google is pretty much of a lost cause . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] The systemd debate in pictures
Ran across this a few days ago. The TC was deaf and blind to the concerns raised about systemd. Then they tried to shut us down with a big stick. Steve Litt . . . do you recognize Strong-arm Don? Enjoy! And have a good laugh!! http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/three_monkeys.jpg golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] hplip need systemd
On Tue, 10/4/16, Rick Moen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] hplip need systemd To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2016, 6:23 PM Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com): >> Indeed, cups does print. But it doesn't have perks of the HP device >> manager that lets you clean/align and check the status of the >> cartridges etc. At least I haven't found that in cups. > > In case my meaning was somehow unclear: printer-driver-hpcups and > printer-driver-hpijs are the _parts_ of metapackage hplip that you > and M. Bardot need. > > I'm not saying 'install only CUPS'. I'm saying 'install only the > constituent parts of 'hplip' that you actually want. > We seem to be in parallel universes. I have all that installed and haven't been able to find the HP Device Manager. But let's not hijack this topic further . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] hplip need systemd
On Tue, 10/4/16, Rick Moen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] hplip need systemd To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2016, 2:51 PM Quoting Bardot J??r??me (bardot.jer...@gmail.com): >> >> I don't know if you know but hplip need policykit and therefore systemd. >> > > You don't need _package_ HPLIP. You just need printer-driver-hpcups and > printer-driver-hpijs. Package hplip is an omnibus desktop-oriented > packaging of the HPIJS and HPLIP drivers, and therefore includes > GNOME-dependency hooks. > Indeed, cups does print. But it doesn't have perks of the HP device manager that lets you clean/align and check the status of the cartridges etc. At least I haven't found that in cups. So I'm keeping my good ol' squeeze around that has hplip installed so I access those functions should I ever need them. Related tip . . . my black cartridge dried out a few months ago. I found a youtube video that offered several suggestions how to get it working again. I chose to soak the head in warm distilled water for a few hours. It worked!! And that cartridge is still functioning months later. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Firefox nightly [now] requires Pulse Audio
I hope that someone will be able to devise a way to keep alsa a viable alternative. You can read the sad news here . . . http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=130028 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] On talk.do and Web forums
Maybe someone else has something to say? Especially if you revel in beating a dead horse . . . - On Wed, 9/28/16, hellekin wrote: Subject: [DNG] On talk.do and Web forums To: "dng" Date: Wednesday, September 28, 2016, 3:08 AM > > On IRC #devuan: hellekin: Can we PLEASE move on from > Discourse. Very few people are using it and those who are loathe it for > the most part. It's holding back Devuan's community growth! > I left that message on #devuan-www not #devuan > > Let me state it one last time, by email, so that it can be read by > everyone and we can have a discussion about it, instead of a persistent > and frankly annoying counter-productive attitude regarding talk.devuan.org. > > No, we're not moving on from Discourse. > And there you have it. > > Yes, very few people are using it. > That should tell you something. > > Yes, *some* people insist on loathing it, and although I have tried to > address every single of their arguments, they keep coming at it without > even trying (e.g., to *not* use the Web after their account is > registered.) Maybe there's some missing documentation about how to use > Discourse as a mailing list only. > Personally, I don't want to mix ML apples with forum oranges. > > I don't think anybody here as much to say against mailing list apart > from the well-known issues: > [blah, blah why discourse is so amazing] > > So, I understand that Discourse is not for everyone, its web interface > requires some heavy Javascript that can be slow, and it doesn't look > like you would like, and certainly not like any forum out there, where > you just sit and shout. But you need to understand that: > > 1) we're thinking of a *tool* towards a *goal*: knowledge management > 2) it can be *used by email* (as a mailing list, requiring very few > interaction with the Web at all) > 3) nothing prevents anyone from *setting up another forum software* > Sigh . . . As someone discussing talk.do on another forum nicely summed up: ". . . the forum design over there is a bit perplexing given the philosophy that gave birth to Devuan in the first place." How did we get from KISS to bloated, Fisher-Price SNS in a heartbeat? > > Which brings me to the last argument: "It's holding back Devuan's > community growth!" > > Really, golinux, do you think it does? FriendsOfDevuan has a wiki that > is mentioned in the official documentation page on > devuan.org/os/documentation while it's not operated by the VUA, so be my > guest and make a popular forum that will help grow the Devuan community. > I think the two objectives are orthogonal, and certainly not incompatible. > I don't see multiplicity of forums/blogs as a solution to the deficiencies of an 'official' forum. > > I know you've been arguing the talk.do was a threat to the mailing > lists. > FTR, I don't 'argue'. I do express opinions however . . . At one point I thought dng might be going byebye once the forum was available. It didn't and I'm happy about that (though lately nothing has been happening there either). > > Yet, officially, DNG has been replaced by devuan-discuss and > devuan-announce mailing lists, which see seldom traffic so far. > Which again says something. > > That means we're not in an univocal world where "the VUA decide" and "the > community follows". > We're not? > [snip] > > With Devuan we're trying to give another take on what an universal OS > means, and for that we want to have a compact set of tools that enables > more diversity in the expression of what is, how to make, and who makes > "a distro". *In my opinion*, talk.do has an important role to play in > this strategy, as does the devuan-sdk, and Amprolla and build > automation, etc. But I certainly do not support the idea that my > opinion is the only valid one. I'd rather not have *another* forum > software under devuan.org to avoid dissipating energies. But I > certainly cannot prevent the community from deciding that my vision is > moot and go on setting up something that may eventually replace it. > Devuan is not Python: there's no one-true-way here. > But it seems 'your vision' = the one true 'official' Devuan forum and that is non-negotiable. The ship will either sail or sink. It is a process that only time will sort out. I surrender . . . :) golinux > > <3 > > == > hk > > P.S.: I'm tempted to post this to devuan-discuss and talk.do, but hey, > let's not cross-post :) > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev]
On Wed, 8/24/16, Brad Campbell wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev] To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2016, 1:55 AM > On 24/08/16 13:57, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 11:37:53 +0800 >> Brad Campbell wrote: >> >>> On 24/08/16 11:13, Steve Litt wrote: [snip] These saboteurs just won't quit. It's our job to get out the word so bus1 fares no better than kdbus, because Lennart bragged about his plans when he gets the kernel to enforce use of systemd. >>> >>> I'm not worried. Mantra from get-go has been "Don't break userspace". >>> If there is a valid use-case for a feature there will be plenty of >>> opposition to it's removal. >> >> [snip] >>> >>> If bus1 really has technical merit, can demonstrate it solves real >>> problems and has all its shortcomings addressed there is no reason it >>> shouldn't be integrated into the kernel. They can't then just go and >>> remove netlink to spite non-systemd users. It has an existing >>> userspace and other use cases. >> >> Assuming by "they" you mean the Lennart and the Redhats, they already >> have an established pattern and practice of breaking user space. If you >> mean the kernel developers, they won't be the ones breaking userspace, >> but a kernel-included bus1 will act very much like the firmware chips >> they put into toner cartridges just so you won't buy competing toner. > > I'm not entirely sure you understand what I mean by "break userspace". > It is entirely in the context of the kernel and its interface with > userspace and absolutely nothing to do with userspace itself. It means > they can't just go and rip bits out of the kernel that mean *our* > userspace won't run on it. I don't care what they do with *their* userspace. > >> We're way past the point of thinking the world is a technocracy. >> >> Edbarx said it best: "attempting to remove systemd from SID is more >> like attempting to remove the DNA from living cells expecting them not >> to die." >> >> That sounds very much like breaking userspace to me. > > No, again you have the wrong end of the "userspace". You refer to > distributions, and I don't care what those distributions do, what they > break or which init they use. What I care passionately about is ensuring > that stuff that runs right now continues to run on newer kernels. Oddly > enough, history has shown that's generally what Linus appears to care > about also. > > It takes *years* of notice and warning for features to be marked > deprecated, and then years for them to be removed. *If* during those > years we discover that our device manager is going to cease to function, > we have several years to figure out a solution and get it implemented > and tested. That's a BIG *IF*. > > Don't Panic. > Apropos of this discussion . . . there is a new troll on FDN ramping up the rhetoric. It is revisionist history in action! Number one on his list speaks volumes: 1. systemd users don't care about compatibility to other NIXes in the same way that BSD doesn't care about compatibility to us or our licenses. There hasn't been 100% POSIX in ages. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=623008#p623008 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev]
On Tue, 8/23/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev] To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, August 23, 2016, 5:10 PM >> On Sun, 8/21/16, Daniel Reurich wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev] >> To: dng@lists.dyne.org >> Date: Sunday, August 21, 2016, 3:08 PM >> >> >> >> He guys, >> >> >> >> I've been at work for a week or so and today I looked at the DNG >> >> list for the latest activities around vdev, but there has almost >> >> been no activity on vdev as far as I can see. OTOH, last week I >> >> tested eudev on a separate partition and that seems to work quite >> >> well. >> > >> > You are mistaken, there has been lots of activity around vdev and >> > making it installable. >> > >> >> >> >> I think it might be a good idea to leave vdev for what it is and >> >> to switch to eudev. It is moreorless maintained (the latest change >> >> is two weeks ago) and it works well. We should not reinvent the >> >> wheel IMHO. And as there has been no response from the original >> >> vdev author, I think it's better to package eudev for Devuan and >> >> to make it available for Jessie and Ascii. The latest version is >> >> 3.2. >> > >> > Well quite frankly you don't get to make that call. Eudev is just a >> > hack that from what I gather is isolating the systemd-udev changes >> > and bringing them in to eudev. IMHO that is less sustainable then >> > vdev because it relies on developers from systemd to play nice with >> > udev and not deprecate features that don't serve systemd's needs. >> > At the end of the day, I consider eudev as at best marginally >> > better the eudev, but still far to closely coupled with systemd to >> > be useful in the medium to long term. >> > >> > With regards to vdev, I'm sure if Jude didn't come back, others >> > would pick up his work and progress it, as is happening now around >> > packaging it. I think it rather disingenuous of you to imply it's >> > a dead project whilst claiming that eudev, the re-animated zombie >> > of systemd-udev as a better and only option. It's not better, and >> > it's not the only option either. >> > >> > Whilst I respect the work to package eudev and having it as an >> > option in Devuan, I will personally very loudly push back on any >> > attempt to derail alternatives such as vdev - unless those >> > alternative are demonstrably built on the same flawed design >> > principles as systemd. >> > >> > Daniel. >> > >> >> >> >> I agree that relying on anything connected to udev will likely not be >> sustainable in the long term. I was reminded of this just today in a >> private discussion I'm having with someone over at FDN . . . yes, I >> still hang out there to advocate for non-systemd Linux. S/he posted >> this link which finally pushed them over the edge and away from the >> path that Debian has taken: >> >> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html >> > By the way, when did Linux OK kdbus? > > SteveT > I don't think they have. That was Lennart's wishful thinking. Wasn't it around that time that Kay Sievers tried and Linus boxed him hard upside the head and sent him packing? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev]
On Sun, 8/21/16, Daniel Reurich wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] eudev [was: vdev] To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, August 21, 2016, 3:08 PM >> >> He guys, >> >> I've been at work for a week or so and today I looked at the DNG list >> for the latest activities around vdev, but there has almost been no >> activity on vdev as far as I can see. OTOH, last week I tested eudev on >> a separate partition and that seems to work quite well. > > You are mistaken, there has been lots of activity around vdev and making > it installable. > >> >> I think it might be a good idea to leave vdev for what it is and >> to switch to eudev. It is moreorless maintained (the latest change is >> two weeks ago) and it works well. We should not reinvent the wheel IMHO. >> And as there has been no response from the original vdev author, I think >> it's better to package eudev for Devuan and to make it available for >> Jessie and Ascii. The latest version is 3.2. > > Well quite frankly you don't get to make that call. Eudev is just a > hack that from what I gather is isolating the systemd-udev changes and > bringing them in to eudev. IMHO that is less sustainable then vdev > because it relies on developers from systemd to play nice with udev and > not deprecate features that don't serve systemd's needs. At the end of > the day, I consider eudev as at best marginally better the eudev, but > still far to closely coupled with systemd to be useful in the medium to > long term. > > With regards to vdev, I'm sure if Jude didn't come back, others would > pick up his work and progress it, as is happening now around packaging > it. I think it rather disingenuous of you to imply it's a dead project > whilst claiming that eudev, the re-animated zombie of systemd-udev as a > better and only option. It's not better, and it's not the only option > either. > > Whilst I respect the work to package eudev and having it as an option in > Devuan, I will personally very loudly push back on any attempt to derail > alternatives such as vdev - unless those alternative are demonstrably > built on the same flawed design principles as systemd. > > Daniel. > I agree that relying on anything connected to udev will likely not be sustainable in the long term. I was reminded of this just today in a private discussion I'm having with someone over at FDN . . . yes, I still hang out there to advocate for non-systemd Linux. S/he posted this link which finally pushed them over the edge and away from the path that Debian has taken: https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2014-May/019657.html I remember that from the time it was written and heated discussions were swirling on FDN and debian-user. Let it be a reminder to all of you also. Now that I finally have qemu up and running (thanks to fsmithred), I'll be happy to test any vdev isos from aitor and hope that many of you will do the same. It's time to buckle down and get serious . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
Looks like the second poll has ended. There's a new one up today and voting is no longer an option. Here are the final results: Poll results for: The state of Devuan I have tried Devuan and it is ready to use: 95 (27%) I have tried Devuan and it needs a little more work:45 (13%) I have tried Devuan and it needs lots more work:19 (5%) I have not yet tried Devuan but plan to later: 90 (25%) I have not yet tried Devuan and have no plans to try it:107 (30%) Those results are actually better percentage wise than the ones that were "lost". Thanks to everyone who voted. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] How bad would it be to require Python3?
On Sun, 8/21/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] How bad would it be to require Python3? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, August 21, 2016, 10:34 AM On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 09:34:17 -0400 fsmithred wrote: > On 08/21/2016 02:57 AM, Steve Litt wrote: > > >> What do you mean by "default"? There is no default (other than > >> between versions of python 2 and between versions of python 3), > >> these two are fully coinstallable, > > > > When you do a plain vanilla, follow every default installation of > > Devuan, which gets installed: > > > > 1. Python 2? > > 2. Python 3? > > 3. Python 2 and 3? > > 4. Neither? > > > > > > > You get both python2.7 and python3.4 with the default desktop install > of devuan beta. I guess the default version would be the one that > /usr/bin/python points to, which is currently 2.7. I'm gonna ask a dumb and repetitive question, just so I don't make a dumb and messy mistake... In the preceding paragraph, do you mean that both 2.whatever and 3.whatever are **installed on the disk and ready to run** when you install Devuan and agree with all the defaults during installation? Thanks, SteveT Why don't you just install a vanilla devuan to see what you'd get. That way you'd know for sure. ;) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 8/19/16, fsmithred wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 1:06 PM On 08/19/2016 01:31 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:55:49 + (UTC) >> Go Linux wrote: >> >> On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski wrote: >> >>> What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? >>> >> >>> What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would >>> depend whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why >>> shouldn't it be those of us supporting Devuan? >>> >>> golinux >> >> Well said! >> >> Whether it's intentional sabotage or ballot stuffing, I'm a lot more >> likely to retain a high sense of dignity and ethics if my opponents are >> playing by the rules. >> >> Or, as one of the characters in "Lucifer's Hammer" says toward the end >> of the book, "A society adopts the ethics they can afford." >> >> SteveT >> ___ > For anyone who's interested in the results before they got wiped, what I > recall is that around half said they would never try it, a quarter said > they'd try it later. > > Among those who had tried it, three times as many said it was ready than > said it needed a lot of work. And those who said in needed a little work > were between the other two groups. > > For raw numbers, the only one I remember is that 12 said it was ready. I'm > a little slow with math, so I'll stop here. > > -fsr That last number was at least 120 - maybe a typo? My click was #70! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 2:13 AM On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:21:24AM +, Go Linux wrote: >> The Distrowatch poll posted by Jim Murphy a few days ago - >> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160816.141551.cded4448.en.html - >> went sideways this morning. It was archived with results from another >> unrelated poll. I emailed to let them know and suddenly the odometer was >> back to zero and there were about 15 votes. So looks like they managed to >> 'lose' the original data. >> >> Time to go click again: >> >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll >> >> Polls may not be important but still . . . > > > What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? > What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would depend whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why shouldn't it be those of us supporting Devuan? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
The Distrowatch poll posted by Jim Murphy a few days ago - https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160816.141551.cded4448.en.html - went sideways this morning. It was archived with results from another unrelated poll. I emailed to let them know and suddenly the odometer was back to zero and there were about 15 votes. So looks like they managed to 'lose' the original data. Time to go click again: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll Polls may not be important but still . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] August sprint?
Now in the middle of August and other than the active evolution of vdev, no sprint activity that I'm aware of. Have i missed something? Or maybe I misunderstood the teaser from last month? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end
On Wed, 8/10/16, richard lucassen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] vdev - udev is a dead end To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, August 10, 2016, 11:35 AM On Wed, 10 Aug 2016 16:59:58 +0100 Simon Hobson wrote: > How long before he decides that Grub needs "improving" ? How long before he decides that the kernel needs "improving"? -- richard lucassen http://contact.xaq.nl/ Isn't that what Kay Sievers' kdbus was all about? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Security news about TCP weakness
For those of you so inclined. Is this important, old news or just academic posturing? golinux -- https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/08/160809143253.htm Serious security threat to many Internet users highlighted Communications involving Linux and Android systems can be compromised quickly, easily and from anywhere Date:August 9, 2016 Source:University of California - Riverside Summary:Researchers have identified a weakness in the Transmission Control Protocol of all Linux operating systems since late 2012 that enables attackers to hijack users' internet communications completely remotely. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] vdev
On Tue, 8/9/16, richard lucassen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] vdev To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 2:14 PM On Tue, 9 Aug 2016 20:56:56 +0200 aitor_czr wrote: > Some *postinst* and *postrm* files are needed in the packaging, and > i'm working on that. I installed the i386 packages, but these do not work quite well. It works, but permissions and ownerships are not set correctly. OTOH it seems to work well in a separate /mnt/vdev-test/ directory when running vdevd from a "git clone" and after running a "make -C vdevd". The i386 library packages are working ok, so no need to install these from git. The only thing that I had to correct is some entries in the example/vdevd.conf. The "actions" dir e.g. is in the example dir and not the build dir as stated in the conf file. After running: build/sbin/vdevd -v2 -c example/vdevd.conf \ -l /var/log/vdev/vdevd.log /mnt/vdev-test/ the /mnt/vdev-test/ directory is populated with AFAICS the right devices and the right permissions/ownerships. When adding a usb stick, I get a /mnt/vdev-test/sdb1 which can be mounted in one or another directory. So, at a first glance it seems to work for the moment in a separate device directory. Oh, BTW, when packaging vdevd, I'd opt for the /etc/vdev/ dir and not the /usr/etc/vdev/ dir. Another thing is that the /run/vdev/ directory does not exist and that the pid file could not be initialized. When telling vdevd.conf to create /run/vdevd.pid it works fine. Maybe it's an idea to first create a vdevd-shadow package which creates a /dev/shadow/ directory and creates devices in that directory while udev is still doing its job. I don't know if this is possible (I think it is) and it might be much more attractive for many people to test vdevd. Switching to vdevd instead of udevd might be too risky for many folks. Especially when you don't want to run the risk for a bricked device. Just my 2 cts. Keep up the good work :) R. Hi Richard . . . I have just forwarded this post to Jude and encouraged him to drop in to DNG more often. Another way to help move the project along would be to open an issue under vdev in git. https://git.devuan.org/unsystemd/vdev Your experiments with vdev are most welcome. Thank you! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs.
On Sun, 8/7/16, Adam Borowski wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] SystemD's brownie points over non-systemd OSs. To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, August 7, 2016, 9:42 PM On Sun, Aug 07, 2016 at 06:31:10PM +0200, Edward Bartolo wrote: >> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&p=621842#p621842 >> >> Excuse me for the topic title. But the above link at first looked like >> some inherent advantage in using SystemD. However, after a little >> reflection, a couple of minutes, it seems there are actually no extra >> brownie-points in using SystemD. >> >> This *appears* like an advantage SystemD users have over non-systemd >> users. But if Devuan allows the use of virtualisation software, the >> same can be achieved without requiring any sort of benediction >> SystemD. >> >> virtualbox is the Devuan 64 bit repository. So, the above is not an >> advantage but another way to make a cup of tea rather than the known >> ways. > > virtualbox is _not_ an equivalent. What virtualbox and qemu-kvm, or proprietary vmware and MS Hyper-V, do, is full machine virtualization. You put an entire operating system inside, with its own kernel, and it can be anything, even Windows or SCO ClosedServer if you fancy so. > systemd-nspawn is a worse clone of lxc which in turn is a worse remake of vserver and openvz. These run using host's kernel. > The difference between these two is mostly in efficiency and memory use. While for most devices (network, disk) the cost of full virtualization isn't significant (but always noticeable), the memory needs are MASSIVE. With OS-level virtualization, it costs you only for processes that are running. That's around 100KB for init (obvious snide skipped), 1.1MB for rsyslogd, perhaps 380KB for sshd if you dislike "vserver exec" or "lxc-attach" and that's it. Anything more are daemons that do productive work. It's not uncommon to put 400ish vservers on a single physical machine in production[1], or tens of thousands to prove a point. And on a load spike, any vserver can take most of the machine's memory and resources (of course, if others stay mostly quiet at that time), which works wonders if you do maintenance serially. On the other hand, full-machine virtualization costs you the max of assigned memory to that system, at all time. > systemd-nspawn, lxc and docker[2] are built upon chroot+unshare+cgroups+ seccomp. The purposes of those are: * chroot: separating the filesystem * unshare: separating namespaces. Of note are the mount namespace (a container can have mounts of its own), hostname, network (containers have their own IPs, routing tables, etc), user (you get to be root inside yet can't break the rest) * cgroups: resource limiting: caps and fair share of CPU/memory/IO/etc * seccomp: syscalls which could harm the rest of the system are vetoed > You can try playing with those on your own. Especially "unshare -n" (read the manpage) is fun! > But for a whole package, use lxc. It will configure all of the above for you. systemd-nspawn is merely a NIH copy of it. > > [1]. Depends on what your customers do, obviously. > [2]. Docker is mostly about what you put _inside_ the container, but can manage them on its own. > I posted a link to this response at the FDN link posted above. This was the response from the author of the howto: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=621972#p621972 He concludes: ". . . I would prefer to use the systemd-supplied components (systemd-boot, systemd-networkd, systemd-resolved, etc) wherever available as I believe this offers a more cohesive, UNIX-like working environment." That would depend on your definition of a 'UNIX-like working environment' IMO. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IRC Channel
On Fri, 8/5/16, KatolaZ wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] IRC Channel To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, August 5, 2016, 3:42 AM On Fri, Aug 05, 2016 at 02:21:36AM +, Go Linux wrote: [cut] >> >> When I set it to connect via ssl, it just sat there working but never >> connected. Maybe I need to open a port? Or maybe . . . if it works don't >> try to fix it. ;) >> > > I think you have to register your nick in order to be able to connect > via SSL on freenode. You might find relevant info here: > > https://freenode.net/kb/answer/registration > > My2Cents > > KatolaZ > Thanks but I am already registered and cloaked. That's one of the first things my mentors advised me to do. :) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IRC Channel
On Wed, 8/3/16, Didier Kryn wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] IRC Channel To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 4:38 PM Le 03/08/2016 15:25, Go Linux a écrit : >> On Wed, 8/3/16, aitor_czr wrote: >> >> Subject: Re: [DNG] IRC Channel >> To: "KatolaZ" , "dng" >> Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 7:59 AM >>>> Aitor, according to the screenshot, you are connected to "DALnet", >>>> which is the wrong network. You should connect to to the freenode >>>> network: >>>> >>>> host: irc.freenode.org >>>> port: 6667 (or if you want to use SSL - recommended) >>>> >>>> then once you are in, join the channel "#devuan" and/or >>>> #debianfork. >>>> >>>> Since you said you are an IRC novice, I guess you might find this >>>> tutorial useful: >>>> >>>>http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html >>>> >>>> >>> My2Cents >>>> KatolaZ >>> Thanks for the link :) >>> >>>Aitor. >>> >> >> >> @aitor - All the info needed is also on the devuan website at: >> >> https://devuan.org/os/community#internet-relay-chat >> >> Hope to see you there soon >> >> @KatolaZ - Did not know about using port so I got to learn something >> too! Now I need to figure out where to make that setting . . . there are so >> many things I don;t know . . . >> >> >Always learn as well, but I'm rather like Aitor; I always regarded >IRC like something mysterious. No idea still how to connect and what >happens then. I'll read this tutorial when I can find some time :-) > > Didier When I set it to connect via ssl, it just sat there working but never connected. Maybe I need to open a port? Or maybe . . . if it works don't try to fix it. ;) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IRC Channel
On Wed, 8/3/16, Rick Moen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] IRC Channel To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 6:33 PM Quoting Go Linux (goli...@yahoo.com): > @KatolaZ - Did not know about using port so I got to learn > something too! Now I need to figure out where to make that setting . > . . there are so many things I don;t know . . . For irssi and many other IRC clients, port number can be specified as a command-line option, and equivalently in the configuration file where you define how to connect to various IRC networks/hosts. If you have no other preference, I'll put in a good word for irssi. I use xchat. What can I say, it works. (Wish my typing did.) No config file but there was an option to "use SSL for all the servers on this network (freenode)" and I ticked it. I guess that's it. It's been a long day . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IRC Channel
On Wed, 8/3/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] IRC Channel To: "KatolaZ" , "dng" Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016, 7:59 AM >> Aitor, according to the screenshot, you are connected to "DALnet", >> which is the wrong network. You should connect to to the freenode >> network: >> >> host: irc.freenode.org >> port: 6667 (or if you want to use SSL - recommended) >> >> then once you are in, join the channel "#devuan" and/or >> #debianfork. >> >> Since you said you are an IRC novice, I guess you might find this >> tutorial useful: >> >> http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/irctutorial.html >> >> > My2Cents >>> >> KatolaZ > > Thanks for the link :) > > Aitor. > @aitor - All the info needed is also on the devuan website at: https://devuan.org/os/community#internet-relay-chat Hope to see you there soon @KatolaZ - Did not know about using port so I got to learn something too! Now I need to figure out where to make that setting . . . there are so many things I don;t know . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] IRC Channel
On Tue, 8/2/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: [DNG] IRC Channel To: "dng" Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2016, 6:26 PM > > Hi all, > > I recently wrote a message in the IRC Channel #devuan, but > it doesn't appear. > > Am i doing something wrong..., or something well? > > Aitor. What is 'recently'? Have you checked to see if it's in the botbot logs or if you posted during and outage? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] The systemd OS
Since the list has been slow . . . I was looking at some of the debian-user emails I'd saved back in 2014 around the time of the GR and found this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdRmnSHHVw4 It was perfectly obvious the direction things were heading. Still pisses me off . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bad website CSS: was Devuan Sticker Poll
On Sat, 7/30/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: [DNG] Bad website CSS: was Devuan Sticker Poll To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016, 1:10 PM On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 12:14:44 +0100 Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> hellekin writes: >> > https://talk.devuan.org/t/devuan-merchandise/177/2?u=hellekin > When I render the preceding on my computer with my (fairly large font) > settings, the line spacing is so narrow that the top of many letters > touch the bottoms of the letters above them. It's *very* hard to read. > I find this same insanely narrow line spacing on many devuan.org pages. > > Here's a screenshot: > > http://a3b3.com/stuff/devuan_org_compressed_lines.png > > SteveT I think that is a pale moon failure because with nosquint on iceweasel/ff there's no overlap: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/font-spacing.png golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD
On Fri, 7/29/16, Rick Moen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] A nice summary about what's bad about SystemD To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, July 29, 2016, 1:32 PM Quoting Marlon Nunes (nu...@openmailbox.org): >> https://www.ubuntubsd.org/wiki:why_not_systemd >> >> 12 points about why its bad. > > I like this a lot because it's concise, very clear, and non-ranty. > Actually, I've been looking for a while for a single-stop place to refer > people to, and can't recall seeing a better one. The only improvement > I could imagine would be links to places that illustrate the various > points made. > > So, I've added link 'systemd' pointing to that page to the 'Dept. of > Web-Search Juice:' box on my Web server's front page, > http://linuxmafia.com/ > > That's mostly a place where I shame people and things, but in some cases > just handy links to interesting things. > Here's another one: http://judecnelson.blogspot.com/2014/09/systemd-biggest-fallacies.html golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd
Regarding https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=832508 on the demise of systemd-shim. Posting here because it's unlikely many will see a post to devuan-discuss (if it ever gets approved). golinux -- Message #10 received at 832...@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply): From: "Iain R. Learmonth" To: Martin Pitt , 832...@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 15:33:43 +0100 Hi, On 26/07/16 10:09, Martin Pitt wrote: > Package: wnpp > > Neither Steve nor I still have any interest in maintaining > systemd-shim. Debian's default init system is systemd, Ubuntu supports > nothing else any more (and does not even have systemd-shim any more), > upstart is gone from both Debian and Ubuntu, so the only use case for > it right now is running Debian with SysVinit (in particular, on > non-Linux flavors). Just a suggestion, but maybe ping a Devuan mailing list. If those guys are interested in continuing to support sysvinit then maybe they would be happy to take this. I'd much prefer to see efforts within Debian that can benefit a wider community than hacks patched on top that only benefit a smaller group. Thanks, Iain. Message #15 received at 832...@bugs.debian.org (full text, mbox, reply): From: Martin Pitt To: "Iain R. Learmonth" Cc: 832...@bugs.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#832508: O: systemd-shim -- SysVinit shim for systemd Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:47:51 +0200 Hello Iain, Iain R. Learmonth [2016-07-26 15:33 +0100]: > Just a suggestion, but maybe ping a Devuan mailing list. Good idea, I sent it to https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/list/devuan-discuss.en.html (might take a bit to appear, I'm not subscribed). Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news
On Tue, 7/26/16, Rick Moen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Ugly, ugly news To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, July 26, 2016, 4:09 AM Quoting Simon Walter (si...@gikaku.com): > Did the Debian leadership do a poll to find out what their users > wanted and who were their typical users? To the based of my recollection, no. [snip] This is a must read on the politics and votes that ensured a systemd future for debian: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=120652 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Response inline. On Sun, 7/24/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan To: "Go Linux" , Dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, July 24, 2016, 5:28 AM > Hi Golinux, > On 07/24/2016 10:08 AM, wrote: >> Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 +0000 >> schrieb Go Linux: >> >>> >Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And >>> >the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It >>> >blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where >>> >the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons >>> >on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch >>> >wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some >>> >blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar >>> >on xchat is now dark green >> As far as i see, i do not have those problems with vertex (but i use >> vertex-dark!). May be that's due to the fact, i use JWM (?). For >> sure, Vertex has problems with gtk3 but as far as i see they are less >> than others (Clearlook for example!) >> >> I do not find Xchat, but in Hexchat, my input line is dark, with white >> foreground (fonts) - as i would expect it, using a dark theme. > > The pdf reader slider's wide is inherent to the application. Surelly, it > will happen also with other applications like file-roller and some > pop-up windows. They are prefabricated tools (probably in PyGtk), > developed for gnome. And their appearance is horrible independently of > the used gtk-theme. > Not true! Just look at the screenies. The sliders and controls in Vertex and OSX-Breeze are completely different! So that has to be in the vertex/osx-breeze css. > > Nonetheless, there is no solution for that, just make it less ugly :( > Yes there is either rebuild vertex/osx-breeze or use a different theme. > > However, the circle control buttons can be customized :) They are > located in gtk-3.0/assets: > > titlebutton.png > titlebut...@2.png > titlebutton-close-prelight.png > titlebutton-close-preli...@2.png > etc... > I want to start from a theme that works best for my use case. Of course each one of us has different preferences/needs. Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy has no rendering issues on my Devuan XFCE. I have not yet found another theme that doesn't have more problems than it's worth to try to fix. I suspect emninger's issues are due to the WM he's using. If anyone following this thread has an interest in the warts that I found for both Vertex and OSX-Breeze (I'm sure there are more) in about 5 minutes, you can download these screenies: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/screenies.zip Of course the landscape is always changing and undoubtedly the future will bring challenges that will be harder to work around (more SNS and unneeded complexity). golinux > > Cheers, > >Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen
On Sat, 7/23/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016, 10:02 AM golinux said: >> Thanks for reminding me about reisuo/b. Is reisuo/b really enabled on devuan >> by >> default? Seems like I tried it a while back and it didn't work. So I >> checked >> /etc/sysctl.conf and the line needed wasn't there (neither was there any >> other >> uncommented line). So my question is . . . if reisuo/b is enabled by >> default in >> devuan is it located elsewhere and does kernel.sysrq = 1 work for both >> reisuo and >> reisub? Or are they different? (A quick search has me thinking that one >> line works >> for both.) > > Hi golinux, > > Alt-reisub/o seems to be working for me, and I didn't do anything to enable > it. > > If you look in /etc/sysctl.d there is a file README.sysctl which basically > says you can create and name config files in this directory just about > anything. Here are the notes which I've kept for Ubuntu from back in the > pre-systemd days: > > - > > open sysctl.d using 'open as root' > edit 10-magic-sysrq.conf > comment out the ridiculous default, replace it with the code to allow all > sensible 'magic' keys > ("1 - enable all functions of sysrq". You might like to give it extra > thought. I don't.) > CODE: SELECT ALL > #kernel.sysrq = 127 > kernel.sysrq = 1 > > save it, and remember to come out of elevated priviledges. > Thanks, Robert . . . I was grokking your suggestion till I got to the Ubuntu notes. The only file in the sysctl.d on Devuan is the README.sysctl. And grep couldn't find 10-magic-sysrq.conf so I just put the needed line into sysctl.conf. I haven't tested it but reisub/o should be good to go now. Cheers! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
Author: emnin...@riseup.net Date: 2016-07-23 15:46 -500 To: dng Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan Am Sat, 23 Jul 2016 19:32:34 + schrieb : >> I'm comparing OSX-Breeze, GTX and Vertex. >> >> IMO, Vertex is best. >> >>Aitor. >> > > +1 > > If you're interested. i adapted vertex dark, as far as i could, to the > devuan style guidelines. If you'd like, i could pass it to you. > --- emninger . . . I've been trying to catch you on IRC and git for some time. The dark purpy color in your theme - #3B3B4A - is too blue. Try something like #423B4A instead. I found the dark theme very disorienting so didn't spend much time checking out inconsistencies like I did with aitor's offerings. Not sure whether the problems I saw are in the theme or in the coding of the apps themselves. There may be a way to fix those things in the theme but that would take drilling down deep into the code. If/when I finally get around to that I'll start from the original themes to make sure the errors weren't introduced with your individual theming. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan
On Sat, 7/23/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Gtk-theme for Devuan To: "Go Linux" , Dng@lists.dyne.org, Dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 23, 2016, 11:10 AM Hi again, On 07/23/2016 02:00 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm working on a flat theme for Devuan, which uses the green theme of > the init freedom logo: > > http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green/ > > It's based on the OSX-Breeze, and seems to be homogeneus. But the theme > still needs more changes. > > Cheers, > > Aitor. What about this other one, based on Vertex: http://gnuinos.org/Devuan-Green-Vertex/ The purple theme is haromious with the init freedom logo's colour. They are the same colours used in the website. 100% purpy would be boring :) I still have to change the blue assets and the borders... Cheers, Aitor. I really appreciate the work you've put into these. emninger had previously shared a Vertex purpy so I was aware of that theme. I had a very quick look at both of your contributions and found the following. In addition to the colors of the assets, I found the OSX-Breeze grays are way too dark. This theme also reduces the size of the panel icons - I suspect it's a border issue. In addition there are some rollover color problems - a blue rollover on the synaptic column options and in thunar, white on white rollovers on the menu bar. PDF reader has an immutable charcoal title bar. Ugly. Vertex messes with the size and spacing on the panel icons too. And the white inactive titlebar is just too gtk3ish for my taste. It blends with the white BG on pages so I have a hard time finding where the apps are on the page. I also see macish circle control buttons on the pdf reader. UGH! And the PDF reader slider is about 1/8 inch wide. That's got to be a gtk3 "improvement". There is also some blue around check-box choices. And I just noticed that the input bar on xchat is now dark green So still a lot of warts that need to be cleaned up. And there are undoubtedly many more waiting to be discovered. As to colors . . . for each release there will be a primany/signature color - purpy for jessie and then there are secondary/ accent colors like leafy. Of course they are harmonious but their dominance or recessiveness defines the look of each release. We are planning to have the website colors change to reflect the primary desktop color for each new release too. Cheers! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen
On Thu, 7/21/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] F1 and special usernames on the login screen To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 21, 2016, 6:51 AM > > For "halt," there are always magic keys, as long as that's not disabled by > the sysadmin... > > Alt-SysRq reisuo > > I definitely like the idea that this is enabled by default in Devuan. I > actually use it quite a lot. > > cheers, > Robert > Thanks for reminding me about reisuo/b. Is reisuo/b really enabled on devuan by default? Seems like I tried it a while back and it didn't work. So I checked /etc/sysctl.conf and the line needed wasn't there (neither was there any other uncommented line). So my question is . . . if reisuo/b is enabled by default in devuan is it located elsewhere and does kernel.sysrq = 1 work for both reisuo and reisub? Or are they different? (A quick search has me thinking that one line works for both.) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen)
On Thu, 7/21/16, Simon Walter wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Flexible software (Was: F1 and special usernames on the login screen) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 21, 2016, 7:29 PM On 07/20/2016 05:19 AM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 09:57:41PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: >>> On Tue, 19 Jul 2016, Simon Walter wrote: >>> Since this is Devuan (something about veteran *unix* admins, and coming from Debian - the *universal* OS), I would not have expected Devuan's fans and users to be so close minded. >>> >>> I think anyone here should stop taking conversations in DNG as >>> representative of Devuan. Please note that even those who denigrated >>> our efforts, names the shitdevuansays hooligans, have done so. I know >>> the gmane title for the list is misleading (this is not the "devuan >>> development" list), yet we have not choosen that title for it nor have >>> never declared this to be a place representative of devuan. >>> >>> Devuan has official channels for communication and people who are >>> appointed to such a communication. As one of them let me say that, >>> since many here read and run code, I recommend taking the actual >>> software as the best means of communicating what Devuan is about. >> >> Could you point us to those proper Devuan channels? Some of us >> are genuinely interested in challenges when developing the distribution, >> and getting to know the ways Devuan developers solved those challenges. >> Signal to noise ratio is very low here, for each one email with solid >> technicalities there are at least dozen useless emails. I would >> happily leave dng if I could read archives of real development list. >> > > Are these correct? > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-announce > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devuan-discuss > Yes, those are two other ML. devuan-announce is strictly for announcements. devuan-discuss is an email interface with the Devuan discourse forum. There is very little activity to date. There are the IRC channels but they also wander quite a bit as does DNG. I personally find that the DNG ML has more technical discussion than any of the other options. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved.
On Tue, 7/19/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Inform DNG users their email has been moved. To: "Simon Walter" , "dng" Date: Tuesday, July 19, 2016, 1:31 AM > > You have been banned from my mail. > > Thanks for proving who you are and what your intention is. > That proves your "advice" is not reliable to be listened to. > > Adios, and go find some other victim to troll. > Edward, I doubt that anybody cares. You can ban me too. You are only a victim because you CHOOSE to be according to the novella that you are playing out in YOUR OWN MIND! It must be a living hell to go through life with those filters coloring the world around you. I have supported you over the years but am no longer going to be a co-dependent to your folly. I wish you peace and liberation from the prison you have created for yourself. Perhaps you can find some solace in your lovely garden or with your newest, bestest four-legged friend. When you figure things out, I will welcome you back to the real world with joy! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)
On Sat, 7/16/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 16, 2016, 9:24 AM On Sat, 16 Jul 2016 13:25:58 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: >> >> Actually this is the place where slim issues are being posted. ;) >> >> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues >> >> golinux > > > Cool, I just added, at the preceding URL, the request for special login > names being enumerated on the login screen. > > SteveT > Note to anyone wanting to play with adding text to the Slim login screen . . . On my machine, the purpy slim theme is located at /usr/share/slim/themes/devuan-curve/slim.theme There is one description error # background.png is 50x50 leafy green square. It should be # background.png is 50x50 purpy square. The hex is correct. Everything entered on the panel is in pixels and absolute position. I don't know how to get it into git if I can get this working here. I'm gonna try to figure that out over the next couple of days. Or I could pass it on to someone who is already fluent in git. :) Or maybe someone else will figure it out before me. (I'm old and slow counting down to 74 in a few days . . . ) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)
On Sat, 7/16/16, Jaromil wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, July 16, 2016, 4:03 AM On Sat, 16 Jul 2016, Robert Storey wrote: >>should I report it here: >>[1]https://git.devuan.org/devuan/slim/issues >> > > yes! that's the place where we hope everyone here will note down the > results of conversations on bugs. The mailinglist is not really good > for archiving those. and the task of archiving should be distributed > > also please note you don't need any knowledge of Git to file issues. > > thanks!! > Actually this is the place where slim issues are being posted. ;) https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Slow network startup [was: Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list]
On Fri, 7/15/16, Emiliano Marini wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Systemd discussion on the Samba mailing list To: "Simon Hobson" Cc: "dng" Date: Friday, July 15, 2016, 6:24 PM > > Well, either case is embarrasing. If the network is up after the user > logins, that's ridiculous, even Windows start his services before the login > screen. If NM, thus the network, is *slow* to start, that's worse! Isn't > supposed systemd would speed up the boot process? > > My Devuan wired network takes maybe 10-15 seconds to come up after I come out of suspend. What's up with that. It was always ready on Squeeze and Wheezy. Now I twiddle my thumbs and wait until wicd wakes up. It's really annoying . . . Any ideas why it's doing that? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)
On Fri, 7/15/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, July 15, 2016, 8:34 PM > > I think I understand the issue well enough to sum it up nicely, so if no one > objects, should I just go ahead and file a bug report? If we're about to dump > Slim for lxdm or lightdm or whatever, I needn't bother, but if we plan to > keep Slim for release 1.0, I'd like to see the issue addressed. Looks like an > easy enough thing to fix - all we need is to change the login screen graphic > to document the available > options. I think I can write up the proposed > documentation change myself and then submit it. > > I have not yet used Devuan's bug reporting system - I just looked at the site > now and I signed up for > a git account. This this is a Slim issue, should I > report it here: > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan/slim/issues > > Please tell me if I'm doing this right. If no objections within next 24 > hours, I'll proceed. > > Thank you, and apologies for my inexperience with git. > > cheers, > Robert > Hi Robert, Thanks for offering to help. I hadn't seen Dima's slim project before. This is the one that I've worked on with hellekin: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues It took me a while to find it. There was just an upgrade to gitlab and now I'm lost again It won't let me edit in place like I can in editors. Instead it said it downloaded something but damned if I can find it. Maybe someone can point me where to look. git is a real challenge. And IIRC placement of elements on the slim login screen is also. Good luck! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] ML archive oddities and annoyances
A day or so ago, when I clicked on my bookmark for the DNG archives it was not going to the dng archives but to some other weird place and I had a terrible time finding my way back. I finally figured it out this morning. My trusty DNG link that has been working since the exodus declaration had been hijacked by devuan-discuss - the webmail interface to discourse. I had not signed up for that feature and want nothing to do with it yet there it was. The only way I could get a reliable link to dng was through the search function. This seems to be working atm: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/search/20380101.00.@ml:dng.en.html I don't know whether the hijack was an intentional ploy to drive people to the discourse forum or just a linkage mis-step. In any case, you might want to check out how the mail sever is set up because this was really, REALLY annoying. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux)
On Fri, 7/15/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, July 15, 2016, 12:30 AM Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (golinux) > Robert Storey >> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2016 04:04:59 + (UTC) >> From: Go Linux >> >>>From /usr/share/doc/slim/README : >> >>Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file): >>- console: start console login >>- exit: exit SLiM >>- halt: halt the system >>- reboot: reboot the system > > Hi golinux, > > Thank you for this, it's useful information. However, just like the issue on > using F1 to scroll through available > window managers, the above isn't obvious and is easily missed (after all, I > missed it). True, I'm not the geekiest > Linux user alive, but I'm not a novice either. > > So I think it would be nice if there was a little "Help" box stuck in the > graphic login screen which contained all of > the above info. It wouldn't have to be very intrusive, but there is enough > screen real estate to accommodate it, I think. > > Should I be filing a bug report to push this issue? Hardly seems like a true > "bug," but I do think it's important. Hmm...I should have actually tried those commands before I shot off my mouth. Now I see more problems... The commands "console" and "exit" work, in the sense that you'll get a console from where you can log in, though I see no advantage in that. You could use Ctrl-Alt-F2 though F6 to do the same thing (and Ctrl-Alt F7 to get back to the original login desktop). You still have to log in first before you can reboot or shutdown. The commands "halt" and "reboot" do not seem to work. SLIM asks me for a password for user "halt" and user "reboot" which is less than useful, since no such users exist. There is an error in file /usr/share/doc/slim/README, it says: CONFIGURATION /usr/etc/slim.conf is the main configuration file. Of course, that should say: /etc/slim.conf is the main configuration file. best regards, Robert Obviously, I didn't try what was suggested in the readme . . . don't like to reboot or even logout. I'm hoping that someone with more chops than I have should be able to get those commands working. I suggest you file an issue under the slim package and assign it to hellekin. And I totally agree that there should be some text suggestions on the login screen perhaps to a revised README if nothing else. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads.
On Thu, 7/14/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Larcenous mail threads. To: "dng" Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 11:43 PM Hi, << About choice of language. I read there are 191 undefined behaviors in the C99 standard, which means an equal number of tarpits waiting for the cognitively difficient coder. >> And the source of that quote is . . . I looked on the archives and only found your two posts titled "Larcenous mail threads" (though I might have missed something) . . . Note that I am not reading the thread on C code golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt)
On Thu, 7/14/16, Robert Storey wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation (Steve Litt) To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 10:33 PM On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: >> Golinux told me that to change the window manager, when on the login >> screen, you repeatedly press F1 to cycle through the installed window >> managers. I confirm this, and will document it. >> >> However, I think somebody from Devuan should add to the login window's >> graphic (the stylized lightgreen and darkergreen Login graphic) the >> string "Press F1 to switch window managers." Today's computers should >> be discoverable, and this is just too easy not to do. I'd do it myself >> but I don't know which graphic, and probably my modification would be >> an aesthetic step backward. > > Thanks for posting this, it's an issue I wanted to raise but glad someone > else brought it up first. > > I've got a couple of other issues with the login screen that I was going to > bring up, and now is as > good a time as any... > > If there is some other option for reboot/shutdown, I can't think of it at the > moment. > From /usr/share/doc/slim/README : Special usernames (commands configurable in the config file): - console: start console login - exit: exit SLiM - halt: halt the system - reboot: reboot the system golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation
On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 9:07 AM On Thu, 14 Jul 2016 17:33:26 +1200 Daniel Reurich wrote: > On 14/07/16 17:27, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400 > > Steve Litt wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want. > >> Trouble is, there's no obvious way to change your window manager > >> after the fact. Somebody needs to document how to do this, and keep > >> the document in an obvious place, with a link from the top of our > >> documentation tree. > > > > Golinux told me that to change the window manager, when on the login > > screen, you repeatedly press F1 to cycle through the installed > > window managers. I confirm this, and will document it. > > > > However, I think somebody from Devuan should add to the login > > window's graphic (the stylized lightgreen and darkergreen Login > > graphic) the string "Press F1 to switch window managers." Today's > > computers should be discoverable, and this is just too easy not to > > do. I'd do it myself but I don't know which graphic, and probably > > my modification would be an aesthetic step backward. > > > File a bug against desktop-base and slim packages and I'll try to make > sure we do that on both Thanks Daniel, How do I file a bug against desktop-base and slim packages? Thanks, SteveT https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/issues https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues As to modification . . . that is hellekin's domain and Daniel could do it too (others too). If you open an issue that will be a reminder to do it before the next release golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Need for documentation
On Thu, 7/14/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Need for documentation To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016, 12:27 AM On Wed, 13 Jul 2016 22:39:34 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > When installing, you get to pick which window manager you want. > Trouble is, there's no obvious way to change your window manager > after the fact. Somebody needs to document how to do this, and keep > the document in an obvious place, with a link from the top of our > documentation tree. Golinux told me that to change the window manager, when on the login screen, you repeatedly press F1 to cycle through the installed window managers. I confirm this, and will document it. However, I think somebody from Devuan should add to the login window's graphic (the stylized lightgreen and darkergreen Login graphic) the string "Press F1 to switch window managers." Today's computers should be discoverable, and this is just too easy not to do. I'd do it myself but I don't know which graphic, and probably my modification would be an aesthetic step backward. Thanks, SteveT The "stylized lightgreen and darkergreen Login graphic" went bye-bye a long time ago. It should be a nice purpy just like the desktop. Do you have the latest desktop-base installed? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Mini init script written in Perl boots.
On Sun, 6/19/16, Stephanie Daugherty wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Mini init script written in Perl boots. To: "Edward Bartolo" , "Rainer Weikusat" Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, June 19, 2016, 8:54 AM > > When recovering from systermd-related breakage while first trying out Debian > jesse, I ended up booting with init=/bin/bash a lot. > > You can rather easily bring up a fully functional system that way, at least > for long enough to fire up a browser, find the problem, and then recover. > > My process for doing so was fairly simple. - boot into bash - remount / rw - mount the rest of the filesystems - start up udev (this was early in unstable or testing I think when it wasn't merged with systemd yet) - start up screen - bring up network interfaces - start up "important" system services (cron, syslog, and friends) - fire up a display manager (not strictly required, but easy enough to do, so why not) > > I'd suggest that this is a really good way to understand what's actually > necessary to bring up the system, without writing a bit of cod, and > reproducing the steps by hand provides the level of understanding that a > sysadmin needs to have of init IMHO. > Most of this thread has been over my head (most posts to this list are). So thank you for this very understandable explanation, Stephanie. I have actually used init=/bin/bash then remount / rw to change root PW a few times. Now I have a better grasp of just what I was doing and what this entire discussion is about. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] OT: PHP help needed
I have a misbehaving file on a blog that I have no idea how to fix . . . other than removing the widget that's screwing up. :( The error that pops up starts like this "Strict Standards: Only variables should be passed by reference in *path-to-file* on line 302 If there are any PHP wizards on this forum, please contact me OFF-LIST for the details. Have posted to the blog's forum but it looks kind of dead in there . . . Thanks, golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] package request
On Fri, 6/10/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] package request To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, June 10, 2016, 10:10 AM On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 04:57:06PM +0200, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: > Am Fri, 10 Jun 2016 14:36:05 + > schrieb dng-requ...@lists.dyne.org: > > > > Would it be possible to package palemoon for devuan? > > > > Are there a reasons for that? > > > > I use palemoon myself on Devuan. Just downloaded their bundle and > > opened in /opt/palemoon, set the bin in PATH and ready for use. It > > also notices me for upstream updates. > > > > I'm open to debate, but personally incline (for this and other > > packages) to concentrate on the maintanance of a *core*, *base* Devuan > > system and leave to individuals and downstream maintain a bigger set > > of packages for specific uses. > > Hi Jaromil! > > Yes - and no ;) > > If i succeed in my attempt with jwm, i'd like to set palemoon as > default browser; it's a bit hard if there is no package ... > > But for sure, it's correct what you say about keeping the core packages > as small as possible. OTOH, i for one, would not mind if > icewease/firefox would be substituted even in core by palemoon ... ;) > (It's what i did, individually; after havin tried for a while both in > parallel). > > Thanks in any case for your effort & cheers! > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng I cannot ue chrome on the web any more, because it is no longer supported on my 32-bit devuan system. It still runs, but is a security risk without security patches. Except, of course, on html files I build myself on the local system -- I just don't put in popups or ads or malware. I use mathjax to display mathematics. It is acceptable on chrome, and on midori. It is ridiculously slow on iceweasel. Not only that, but after it desplays my equations (it's a long document, bot just a small note) it keeps blanking the screen and restoring it for a randoom amount of time. It's even *fast* on midori. I don't know about palemoon. The main problems I've had with midori is that I haven't figured out how to get it to import bookmarks from iceweasel of chrome, and I can't figure out how to get is to sort local directories into alphabetical order -- almost any reasonable alphaet would do. If palemoon acts reasonably with mathjax, I'd be happy to welcome it to the fold. -- hendrik I use palemoon sometimes. I actually run it (and tor) from my /user directory. The problem with ANY browser other than FF/Iceweasel is the lack of addons - I use about 25. (Chrome is the worst at this.) Palemoon has some of them available but not all. And they may be disappearing from the FF repos as their engine moves to a different incompatible platform. Quite a while ago, chillfan and I discussed rescuing some addons and he even started such a project on git. I wouldn't mind seeing palemoon in the devuan repos because I suspect that eventually FF will become unusable (for me at least). Steve Pusser packaged palemoon for antiX quite a while ago so maybe we could get it from there? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan (f)art
On Thu, 6/2/16, KatolaZ wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan (f)art To: "Go Linux" Cc: "hellekin" , "KatolaZ" , dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 9:49 AM On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 02:39:44PM +, Go Linux wrote: [cut] > > > > Yes, that is an improvement but the proportions are still off. Both swooshes > are too elongated and hellekin's version looks 'pregnant with that bump on > the RH side. I stared at KatolaZ's version of the logo for some time but > could never see Devuan in it. Sorry. > Sorry for the silly question, but you are using fixed-size fonts, right? HND KatolaZ Ah, no I'm not. That's how much I know about ascii art. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan (f)art
On Thu, 6/2/16, KatolaZ wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan (f)art To: "hellekin" Cc: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, June 2, 2016, 7:49 AM On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 11:49:55AM +, hellekin wrote: [cut] On Thu, Jun 02, 2016 at 11:49:55AM +, hellekin wrote: [cut] > > I tried this before, indeed the result needs tweaking. The screenfetch > entry for Devuan looks pretty good already: > > hellekin@raiz > ..,,;;;::;,.. OS: Devuan 1.0 jessie > `':ddd;:,. Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.5.0-2-amd64 >`'dPPd:,. Uptime: 1d 1h 25m >`:b$$b`. Packages: 3519 > 'P$$$d`Shell: zsh 5.0.7 >.$` Resolution: 1366x768 >;$P WM: Xfwm4 > .:P$$` WM Theme: Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy > .,:b$$$;'CPU: Intel Core i5-3320M CPU @ 4x... >.,:dPb:' GPU: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge... > .,:;db$$Pd'` RAM: 1471MiB / 4611MiB >,db$$b:'` > :b:'` >`$bd:''` > `'''` > That's awesome :) (sorry for the small editing on the right-hand side...) HND KatolaZ Yes, that is an improvement but the proportions are still off. Both swooshes are too elongated and hellekin's version looks 'pregnant with that bump on the RH side. I stared at KatolaZ's version of the logo for some time but could never see Devuan in it. Sorry. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc.
On Wed, 6/1/16, hellekin wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What's the correct place for backgrounds, wallpapers etc. To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, June 1, 2016, 1:23 AM > You may also install desktop themes in your user's $HOME: ~/.themes/foo > == hk True but then root apps like synaptic and gparted won't be themed properly. To work across the board themes should go into /usr/share/themes. ;) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim
On Sun, 5/29/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 1:19 PM > > I just looked at the preceding-referenced URL, and it looks to me like > the highlighted text is hard to read for someone with bad vision. Is > there any way you can make the text color a little brighter so it > contrasts more with the purple text background? > Hi Steve, I just remembered that I also modified the Xfce theme for purpy. The colors are flat so the contrast might be better than on a gradient. It will work with gtk2 and gtk3 but unfortunately, there is no openbox theme. So depending on your setup, it might not be useful to you. You can get it here: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/Xfce-purpy.zip golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim
On Sun, 5/29/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: Purple theme for slim To: "Go Linux" Cc: "Daniel Reurich" , "hellekin" , "dng" Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 1:48 PM El 29/05/16 a las 20:31, Go Linux escribió: > On Sun, 5/29/16, aitor_czr wrote: > > Subject: Re: Purple theme for slim > To: "Go Linux" > Cc: "Daniel Reurich" , "hellekin" > , "dng" > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 12:50 PM > > Hi Golinux, > > El 29/05/16 a las 18:10, Go Linux escribió: >> On Sun, 5/29/16, aitor_czr wrote: >> >> Subject: Purple theme for slim >> To: "Daniel Reurich" , "hellekin" >> , "go Linux" , "dng" >> >> Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 9:33 AM >> >> Hi all, >> >>> Today i've been working in the purple (neutral) theme for slim, using >>> inkscape. >>> >>> I didn't test it because i can't reboot my system. Still building the >>> kernel... This is my 5º attempt. >>> >>> Yes, i'm a bit obstinate, but there were some udeb packages with common >>> modules *.ko, etc... >>> >>> Here you are the changed files in "slim/debian/devuan-curve": >>> >>> http://gnuinos.org/slim/ >>> >>> HYLI [*] >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Aitor. >>> >>> [*] Hope you like it :) >>> >> >> >> Thank you for taking this on Aitor! I'm not going to test it because it is >> not purpy (looks like rocky)! Please refer to >> http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/default_desktop.png to capture purpy colors >> for the swoosh, background and text. Also the edges of the font and swoosh >> are not smooth. I have no idea how to fix that but may at least try to >> tweak the colors myself later today. >> >> golinux > Definitely, graphical design is not my best virtue [*] > > I just uploaded the new files with the purpy theme, but i don't like it very > much. It looks pixelated. They don't seem vectorial images. > > > http://gnuinos.org/slim/ > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > > [*] I'm not Caravaggio :) > > > > Thanks! That's much better!! I'm on squeeze atm but will test when I get > back to devuan. > > Caravaggio . . . that's a name I haven't thought of for decades! I'm not > either but I am a rainbow :) > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zphAHMPtu4g > > golinux I improved it. Now it looks nice :) http://gnuinos.org/slim/ Cheers, Aitor. Aitor . . . Finally got back to devuan. The login is lovely! Thank you for doing this. It definitely needs to replace leafy in the default settings for beta2. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim
On Sun, 5/29/16, Steve Litt wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 1:19 PM On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:10:06 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: On Sun, 29 May 2016 16:10:06 + (UTC) Go Linux wrote: >> Please refer to >> http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/default_desktop.png to capture purpy >> colors for the swoosh, background and text. >> > > Hi Go Linux, > > I just looked at the preceding-referenced URL, and it looks to me like > the highlighted text is hard to read for someone with bad vision. Is > there any way you can make the text color a little brighter so it > contrasts more with the purple text background? > > I'm not an aesthetic person; my desktop is neverending black, but > there's something about your Purpy theme that I really like. It's > relaxing, and that's important when you're hammering away 10 hours a > day. The only reason I didn't use Purpy for Devuan, Void, and > everything else is that my bad vision makes bright colors and black > backgrounds most readable. > > Keep up the good work! > > SteveT > When I said 'text' I was thinking of the color of the logo not the theme. As to the text in the purpy theme . . . it is already #ff. That's a bright as it gets. ;) I think maybe some if the contrast gets lost in the png. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim
On Sun, 5/29/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Re: Purple theme for slim To: "Go Linux" Cc: "Daniel Reurich" , "hellekin" , "dng" Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 12:50 PM Hi Golinux, El 29/05/16 a las 18:10, Go Linux escribió: > On Sun, 5/29/16, aitor_czr wrote: > > Subject: Purple theme for slim > To: "Daniel Reurich" , "hellekin" > , "go Linux" , "dng" > > Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 9:33 AM > > Hi all, > >> Today i've been working in the purple (neutral) theme for slim, using >> inkscape. >> >> I didn't test it because i can't reboot my system. Still building the >> kernel... This is my 5º attempt. >> >> Yes, i'm a bit obstinate, but there were some udeb packages with common >> modules *.ko, etc... >> >> Here you are the changed files in "slim/debian/devuan-curve": >> >> http://gnuinos.org/slim/ >> >> HYLI [*] >> >> Cheers, >> >> Aitor. >> >> [*] Hope you like it :) >> > > > Thank you for taking this on Aitor! I'm not going to test it because it is > not purpy (looks like rocky)! Please refer to > http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/default_desktop.png to capture purpy colors for > the swoosh, background and text. Also the edges of the font and swoosh are > not smooth. I have no idea how to fix that but may at least try to tweak the > colors myself later today. > > golinux Definitely, graphical design is not my best virtue [*] I just uploaded the new files with the purpy theme, but i don't like it very much. It looks pixelated. They don't seem vectorial images. http://gnuinos.org/slim/ Cheers, Aitor. [*] I'm not Caravaggio :) Thanks! That's much better!! I'm on squeeze atm but will test when I get back to devuan. Caravaggio . . . that's a name I haven't thought of for decades! I'm not either but I am a rainbow :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zphAHMPtu4g golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Purple theme for slim
On Sun, 5/29/16, aitor_czr wrote: Subject: Purple theme for slim To: "Daniel Reurich" , "hellekin" , "go Linux" , "dng" Date: Sunday, May 29, 2016, 9:33 AM Hi all, > Today i've been working in the purple (neutral) theme for slim, using > inkscape. > > I didn't test it because i can't reboot my system. Still building the > kernel... This is my 5º attempt. > > Yes, i'm a bit obstinate, but there were some udeb packages with common > modules *.ko, etc... > > Here you are the changed files in "slim/debian/devuan-curve": > > http://gnuinos.org/slim/ > > HYLI [*] > > Cheers, > > Aitor. > > [*] Hope you like it :) > Thank you for taking this on Aitor! I'm not going to test it because it is not purpy (looks like rocky)! Please refer to http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/default_desktop.png to capture purpy colors for the swoosh, background and text. Also the edges of the font and swoosh are not smooth. I have no idea how to fix that but may at least try to tweak the colors myself later today. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings
Hi Joel, I wouldn't exactly call you suggestions 'artistic'. Maybe slightly 'sadistic'? :) On Wed, 5/18/16, Joel Roth wrote: Subject: [DNG] Artistic decisions - keyboard mappings To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, May 18, 2016, 7:13 PM > > I wonder if Devuan community is ready to support action on > other scourges of the linux on personal computer ecosystem. > A judgment of 'scourge' is very subjective. > I am thinking specifically of three key mapping bugaboos: > > 1) CAPSLOCK key under console and X, should be mapped to Control > >This mapping is compatible with most server >administrators preferences, prevents capslock-related mode >problems in vim. > I never have and probably never will use vim so makes no diff to me . . . unless this suggestion would screw something else up. > > 2) Terminate X via Ctrl-Alt-Backspace > > Seems like an easy, useful, historic way to kill a malfunctioning X. > My X has not misbehaved since trying to configure an Nvidia card on squeeze years ago. But never know when this might come in handy. > > 3) Disable Print key > > All my uses have been unintentional. Does anyone use it deliberately? > Yes! I have it mapped to launch screenshots and use it often! > > My other wishlist items are: > > 4) No display manager by default > > I think the community shouldn't coocoon naive users from > the console. yada, yada > I may be naive but I can go on happily for days without opening a terminal and weeks/months without getting into the console. Being a lousy typist, I much prefer point and click but can do the nerdy stuff if needed (and only if needed). ;) Which brings up a question . . . is REISUB enabled by default in devuan? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83
On Sun, 5/15/16, Irrwahn wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Dng Digest, Vol 20, Issue 83 To: "dng" Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 12:43 PM P.S.: Is it just my mail client messing things up, or is the threading in DNG badly borked as of lately for other readers too? This thread as been borked from the git-go because of the Dng Digest subject. A reminder to digest readers . . . please change the subject line to that of the particular thread to which you are responding. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On Sun, 5/15/16, Edward Bartolo wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images To: "KatolaZ" Cc: "dng" Date: Sunday, May 15, 2016, 10:39 AM > Hi, > > When I tried to install Devuan 64 bit on a Pentium Dual Core, 3 GB > DDR2, I couldn't get past the disk partitioner as it assumed I was > using LVM. I never used LVM because it unnecessarily adds another > layer of complexity that I deem not necessary on a family computer. > This means, I always use plain ext4 partitions for my installations. > > I had to bypass the serious issue by using Debian Jessie 64 > installation iso instead. > > I am reposting as nobody actually reported any feedback on this issue. > > Edward > It's not clear exactly which iso were you trying to install. One from the Devuan repos or the refracta unofficial live iso (which is the subject of this thread)? Could you please clarify? Thanks. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release
On Sat, 5/14/16, . fsmithred wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release To: emnin...@riseup.net Cc: "dng" Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 10:58 AM > > Stick with the repos that are in sources.list plus backports if > you need it. > Excellent advice. That said, I have also used dmo and antix repos once or twice but very carefully. > > Yes, you can compile a package from source, but any time I've done > this, I do not run 'make-install' so that system files don't get replaced. > It's better to create your > own debian package. I'm having touble searching forums.debian.net right now, > but in the howto > section, there are some explanations of how to create a debian package from > source. If you do > that, the package manager will be aware of what you installed. > fsr . . .are you thinking of Soul Singin's "HowTo Build a Package from Source the Smart Way?" http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=38976 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release
On Sat, 5/14/16, emnin...@riseup.net wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Some questions re the devuan release To: ". fsmithred" Cc: "dng" Date: Saturday, May 14, 2016, 10:04 AM > > > Ceni, you can get from launchpad ubuntu or via aptosid (as .deb > packages). > > All debs are not created equal. Grabbing debs from random distros is so not-a-good-idea: https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian#Don.27t_make_a_FrankenDebian http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=114130 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in
On Fri, 5/13/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in To: "Go Linux" Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 9:34 PM On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 10:11:16PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Fri, 5/13/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 2:06 PM > >> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 02:17:50PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> > On Fri, 13 May 2016 10:37:20 -0400 >> > Hendrik Boom wrote: >> > >> > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:40:04PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> > > Hi all, >> >> > > >> >> > > I just installed the beta, in a VM, using the x64 DVD iso. >> >> > > >> >> > > In my opinion, the user interface was very pleasing. The faded >> >> > > purple is very relaxing. The fonts are all crisp and clear, even in >> >> > > a tiny VM. And I **LOVE** the fact that the titlebar of the focused >> >> > > window is an extremely different color than those without focus. >> >> > > I'm a production man, and appreciate knowing at the quickest glance >> >> > > which window has focus. >> >> > > >> >> > > Great job on the UI. >> >> > > >> >> > > SteveT >> >> > >> >> > Yes that's a nice colour I see at start-up. I wouldn't mind having >> >> > it after I log in. >> >> > >> >> > But once things are going -- I use xfce -- I have a brighgt >> >> > yellow-green screen. I seem to have nno way t change it. I can >> >> > use Applicatinos Menu -> settings to change the settings, and >> >> > they'rre still there the next time I adjust settings, but the seem to >> >> > have no effect on the actual screen. >> >> >> >> Yes. That nauseating rotten mustard color occurs on the login screen. >> >> On LXDE, it disappears and is replaced by the colors I described >> >> earlier in this thread. So the Xfce implementation fails to load the >> >> desktop graphic. Probably it's missing a command in ~/.xinitrc or its >> >> equivalent for display managers. >> > >> > I'm getting light purple on the login screen, but not in xfce. Could >> > it xfce is still depending on an systemd-ism that isn't there in >> > order to talk to itself? >> > >> >> >> Do you have the purpy background(s) in /use/share/backgrounds? You can get >> them here: >> >> https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/tree/master/backgrounds >> >> Then select the one that best fits you screen size from the desktop settings. > All I have in /usr/share/backgrounds is an xfce directory. It has > only one background, which *is* one of the backgrounds that the xfce > settings tool offers me. Even when I pick it I instead get a plain green > background, which is *not* on the list of offered backgrounds. > > Even when I ask for a solid single-colout and specify the colour, it > ignores me and instead gives me a solid green background. > > So it looks as the problem lies elsewhere. Once I get the background > to conform to the settings tool, perhaps it will be time to find and > install purpy. > > My guess is that xfce is relying on some other tool to set the > background colour, and that other tool isn't there. > > > -- hendrik > Something is fubared for sure. Setting backgrounds has always worked ootb for me on Xfce even when they were in various locations. Why don't you boot the refracta unofficial-devuan-live iso and see if you can change the bg there: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ If that works, it's something specific to your setup. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in
On Fri, 5/13/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 2:06 PM On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 02:17:50PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 13 May 2016 10:37:20 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:40:04PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> > > Hi all, >> > > >> > > I just installed the beta, in a VM, using the x64 DVD iso. >> > > >> > > In my opinion, the user interface was very pleasing. The faded >> > > purple is very relaxing. The fonts are all crisp and clear, even in >> > > a tiny VM. And I **LOVE** the fact that the titlebar of the focused >> > > window is an extremely different color than those without focus. >> > > I'm a production man, and appreciate knowing at the quickest glance >> > > which window has focus. >> > > >> > > Great job on the UI. >> > > >> > > SteveT >> > >> > Yes that's a nice colour I see at start-up. I wouldn't mind having >> > it after I log in. >> > >> > But once things are going -- I use xfce -- I have a brighgt >> > yellow-green screen. I seem to have nno way t change it. I can >> > use Applicatinos Menu -> settings to change the settings, and >> > they'rre still there the next time I adjust settings, but the seem to >> > have no effect on the actual screen. >> >> Yes. That nauseating rotten mustard color occurs on the login screen. >> On LXDE, it disappears and is replaced by the colors I described >> earlier in this thread. So the Xfce implementation fails to load the >> desktop graphic. Probably it's missing a command in ~/.xinitrc or its >> equivalent for display managers. > > I'm getting light purple on the login screen, but not in xfce. Could > it xfce is still depending on an systemd-ism that isn't there in > order to talk to itself? > Do you have the purpy background(s) in /use/share/backgrounds? You can get them here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/tree/master/backgrounds Then select the one that best fits you screen size from the desktop settings. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in
On Fri, 5/13/16, Boruch Baum wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 10:34 AM On 2016-05-13 15:20, Go Linux wrote: > > > On Fri, 5/13/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Subject: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 9:37 AM > >> On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:40:04PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I just installed the beta, in a VM, using the x64 DVD iso. >> >> >> >> In my opinion, the user interface was very pleasing. The faded purple >> >> is very relaxing. The fonts are all crisp and clear, even in a tiny VM. >> >> And I **LOVE** the fact that the titlebar of the focused window is an >> >> extremely different color than those without focus. I'm a production >> >> man, and appreciate knowing at the quickest glance which window has >> >> focus. >> >> >> >> Great job on the UI. >> >> >> >> SteveT >> > >> > Yes that's a nice colour I see at start-up. I wouldn't mind having >> > it after I log in. >> > >> > But once things are going -- I use xfce -- I have a brighgt >> > yellow-green screen. I seem to have nno way t change it. I can >> > use Applicatinos Menu -> settings to change the settings, and they'rre >> > still there the next time I adjust settings, but the seem to have no >> > effect on the actual screen. >> > >> > I can use geeqie to set a background image, but I have to do that every >> > time I start up. >> > >> > -- hendrik > > >> >> Unfortunately the slim login is still leafy color. Once you get to the >> desktop, you should have the purpy wallpaper but with the unintended blue >> icons and incorrect adwaita pointer. All that should have been fixed by now >> but there have been more important issues than cosmetics. It really is on >> the todo list. At least the boot screen is getting there . . . >> >> golinux > > @'Hendrik Bloom': > I no longer have SliM installed on my Devuan machine, but I remember > that the background image was set in a file named something like > '/etc/slim.conf' or '/etc/slim/slim.conf' or > '/usr/share/slim/slim.conf' > > @'Go Linux': > Why not just tell Hendrik how to change the background himself? It's a > trivial change to a text config file. I no longer have the package > installed and don't remember the file name. > Why? Because I have never done it myself! Here's the link to your notes: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/slim/issues/10 golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in
On Fri, 5/13/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] but I lose it once I log in To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 9:37 AM On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 09:40:04PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I just installed the beta, in a VM, using the x64 DVD iso. >> >> In my opinion, the user interface was very pleasing. The faded purple >> is very relaxing. The fonts are all crisp and clear, even in a tiny VM. >> And I **LOVE** the fact that the titlebar of the focused window is an >> extremely different color than those without focus. I'm a production >> man, and appreciate knowing at the quickest glance which window has >> focus. >> >> Great job on the UI. >> >> SteveT > > Yes that's a nice colour I see at start-up. I wouldn't mind having > it after I log in. > > But once things are going -- I use xfce -- I have a brighgt > yellow-green screen. I seem to have nno way t change it. I can > use Applicatinos Menu -> settings to change the settings, and they'rre > still there the next time I adjust settings, but the seem to have no > effect on the actual screen. > > I can use geeqie to set a background image, but I have to do that every > time I start up. > > -- hendrik > Unfortunately the slim login is still leafy color. Once you get to the desktop, you should have the purpy wallpaper but with the unintended blue icons and incorrect adwaita pointer. All that should have been fixed by now but there have been more important issues than cosmetics. It really is on the todo list. At least the boot screen is getting there . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On Sun, 5/8/16, Joel Roth wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Sunday, May 8, 2016, 7:45 PM Hi, Piggybacking onto this thread, I'd like to have a live distro to demo for friends who are still bombarded with hateful Windows popups. Ideally with heavy-weight apps such as libreoffice, firefox, thunderbird. And I'd like to write it to a USB drive, or SD card. I'm aware of Knoppix, and open to any other less heavy assemblages. Appreciate any suggestions. Thanks, -- Joel Roth Hi Joel, Did you download the iso and give it a spin? Or at least look at the pkg list? It has 2 of the three items you mentioned - libreoffice and iceweasel (firefox). I have copied the pkg list below FYI. You might also want to check out refracta2usb. Check with fsr if it is compatible with the Devuan iso: http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt golinux acl acpi acpi-support-base acpid adduser adwaita-icon-theme alsa-base alsa-utils anacron apt apt-listchanges apt-utils aptitude aptitude-common aptitude-doc-en aspell aspell-en at at-spi2-core avahi-daemon base-files base-passwd bash bash-completion bc bind9-host bsd-mailx bsdmainutils bsdutils busybox bzip2 ca-certificates ca-certificates-java coinor-libcbc3 coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1:i386 coinor-libcoinutils3 coinor-libosi1 colord colord-data console-setup console-setup-linux consolekit coreutils cpio cpp cpp-4.9 crda cron cups cups-browsed cups-bsd cups-client cups-common cups-core-drivers cups-daemon cups-filters cups-filters-core-drivers cups-pk-helper cups-ppdc cups-server-common dash dbus dbus-x11 dc dconf-gsettings-backend:i386 dconf-service debconf debconf-i18n debian-archive-keyring debian-faq debianutils default-jre default-jre-headless desktop-base desktop-file-utils devuan-baseconf devuan-keyring dh-python dictionaries-common diffutils discover discover-data dmidecode dmsetup dnsutils doc-debian docbook-xml docutils-common docutils-doc dosfstools dpkg e2fslibs:i386 e2fsprogs eject emacsen-common espeak-data:i386 ethtool evince-common evince-gtk exfalso exim4 exim4-base exim4-config exim4-daemon-light exo-utils file findutils firebird2.5-common firebird2.5-common-doc firebird2.5-server-common fontconfig fontconfig-config fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-core fonts-dejavu-extra fonts-droid fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-liberation fonts-opensymbol fonts-sil-gentium fonts-sil-gentium-basic foomatic-db-compressed-ppds foomatic-db-engine ftp fuse gcc-4.8-base:i386 gcc-4.9-base:i386 gconf-service gconf2 gconf2-common gcr gdebi-core gdisk geoip-database gettext-base ghostscript gimp gimp-data gir1.2-atk-1.0 gir1.2-atspi-2.0 gir1.2-freedesktop:i386 gir1.2-gdkpixbuf-2.0 gir1.2-glib-2.0:i386 gir1.2-gnomekeyring-1.0 gir1.2-gst-plugins-base-1.0 gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gir1.2-gtk-3.0:i386 gir1.2-gtksource-3.0:i386 gir1.2-keybinder-3.0 gir1.2-notify-0.7 gir1.2-packagekitglib-1.0 gir1.2-pango-1.0:i386 gir1.2-wnck-3.0:i386 gksu glib-networking:i386 glib-networking-common glib-networking-services gnome-icon-theme gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome-keyring gnome-mime-data gnome-orca gnupg gnupg-agent gnupg2 gpgv grep groff-base grub-common grub-pc grub-pc-bin grub2-common gsettings-desktop-schemas gsfonts gstreamer0.10-alsa:i386 gstreamer0.10-plugins-base:i386 gstreamer1.0-libav:i386 gstreamer1.0-plugins-base:i386 gstreamer1.0-plugins-good:i386 gstreamer1.0-plugins-ugly:i386 gstreamer1.0-x:i386 gtk2-engines:i386 gtk2-engines-xfce gtk3-engines-xfce gvfs:i386 gvfs-common gvfs-daemons gvfs-libs:i386 gzip hddtemp hdparm hicolor-icon-theme host hostname hp-ppd hplip hplip-data hunspell-en-us hyphen-en-us i965-va-driver:i386 iamerican ibritish iceweasel ienglish-common ifupdown info init init-system-helpers initramfs-tools initscripts insserv install-info installation-report iproute2 iptables iputils-ping isc-dhcp-client isc-dhcp-common iso-codes isolinux ispell iw java-common javascript-common kbd keyboard-configuration klibc-utils kmod krb5-locales laptop-detect less liba52-0.7.4 libaa1:i386 libaacs0:i386 libabw-0.1-1 libacl1:i386 libalgorithm-c3-perl libamd2.3.1:i386 libao-common libao4 libapt-inst1.5:i386 libapt-pkg4.12:i386 libarchive-extract-perl libarchive13:i386 libart-2.0-2:i386 libasound2:i386 libasound2-data libasound2-plugins:i386 libaspell15:i386 libasprintf0c2:i386 libass5:i386 libassuan0:i386 libasyncns0:i386 libatasmart4:i386 libatk-adaptor:i386 libatk-bridge2.0-0:i386 libatk-wrapper-java libatk-wrapper-java-jni:i386 libatk1.0-0:i386 libatk1.0-data libatspi2.0-0:i386 libattr1:i386 libaudio2:i386 libaudit-common libaudit1:i386 libauthen-sasl-perl libavahi-client3:i386 libavahi-common-data:i386 libavahi-common3:i386 libavahi-core7:i386 libavahi-glib1:i386 libavc1394-0:i386 libavcodec56:i386 libavformat56:i386 libavresample2:i386 libavutil54:i386 libbabl-0.1-0:i386 libbasicusageenvironment0 libbind9-90 libblas-common libblas3 libblkid1:i386 lib
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On Sat, 5/7/16, fsmithred wrote: Subject: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images To: "dng" Date: Saturday, May 7, 2016, 10:43 AM If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH. https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ [cut] Kudos to fsmithred for putting this together. Gives me a chance to see how the theming is coming along without the headache of an install. And those on the fence can get a peek too!! Just booted the live disk. Starting this post from it now. A little sluggish on 4gb ram, no surprise. Boot wallpaper looks great! Theming is getting there but . . . NOTE TO DAN . . . it still needs some tweaking. Clearlooks blue and the adwaita pointer have to go! Replacements should be the older classic gnome icons (NOT the tango ones installed here) and the DMZ-white pointer as default. I'll send you those files in a sec. This live iso is a fantastic contribution to Devuan. Thanks again fsr!! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Purpy theme with dark titlebar
For my own desktop that uses only a gradient, I created a darker titlebar for the purpy theme. Screenshot: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/dark-titlebar-sm.png zip: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy-dark.zip IIRC the only changes made were to the xfwm4 directory so you should just be able to switch that out in the other purpy theme. But just to be sure, I zipped the whole thing. Remember in xfce you need to change: 1. Menu > Settings > Appearance > Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy (or Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy-dark) 2. Menu > Settings > Window Manager > Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy (or Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy-dark) And it needs to be in /usr/share/themes (not /home/user/.themes/) if you want gtk3 root apps like synaptic to be purpy too. Enjoy! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On Sat, 5/7/16, Jim Murphy wrote: On Sat, 5/7/16, Jim Murphy wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images To: "parazyd" , "dng" Date: Saturday, May 7, 2016, 2:33 PM On Sat, May 7, 2016 at 1:53 PM, parazyd wrote: > On Sat, 07 May 2016, fsmithred wrote: > >> If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without >> installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually >> be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH. >> >> https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ >> >> [snip] > > Nice! > > Care to share any scripts or the workflow you have for creating such > ISOs? >You might want to start a couple of levels up from the files. >https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/ > > I'm still looking into this myself, but refracta AFAIKT is a set of tools that > generate a live cd named, what else, retracta. There is a link to the > refracta Web > Site there. I'm sure fsmithred could offer more info, but this may > give you a start. > > Jim OK. I found the latest refractasnapshot 9.3.3 here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/testing/ (Downloading now) I've been using this software for years. It's amazing!! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images
On Sat, 5/7/16, parazyd wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Unofficial Devuan live images To: "fsmithred" Cc: "dng" Date: Saturday, May 7, 2016, 1:53 PM On Sat, 07 May 2016, fsmithred wrote: > If someone want to see what Devuan-Jessie beta looks like without > installing it, I made some live isos. I expect that there will eventually > be an official Devuan-Live, but this is not it. HTH. > > https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/unofficial_devuan_live/ > > [snip] Nice! Care to share any scripts or the workflow you have for creating such ISOs? -- ~ parazyd 0333 7671 FDE7 5BB6 A85E C91F B876 CB44 FA1B 0274 refractasnapshot and refractainstaller http://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ Earlier today fsr suggested I use the 9.3.3 version to make a snap of Devuan. Not quite sure where it is on SF. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Why I was away.
This is all warm and fuzzy but very OT. Please take your "therapy" off-list. Or better yet, get comfortable enough with yourself that a four-legged crutch isn't necessary to give meaning to your existence. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] CORRECTION to purpy desktop theme
I just realized (with horror!) that the files in git for the purpy theme are incomplete and inaccurate. The correct version can be downloaded from here: http://www.saynotogmos.org/ss/Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy.zip If I could figure out how to use git I would upload them myself but alas I am at someone else's mercy. Maybe someday I'll figure it out. Apologies for the inconvenience to those who can appreciate properly integrated desktop graphics . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Default purpy desktop theme
On Wed, 5/4/16, fsmithred wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Default purpy desktop theme To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 11:13 AM On 05/04/2016 11:20 AM, Go Linux wrote: > Evidently the default purpy desktop graphics didn't make it into the beta. > :( You can find the purpy wallpaper here (among all the others): > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/tree/master/backgrounds > > And it looks like the purpy window manager theme is here: > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme/tree/master > > Put the following elements into a directory named Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy: > > index.theme > gtk-3.0 > gtk-2.0 > openbox-3 > metacity-1 > xfwm4 > > Then put that directory in /usr/share/themes/ . > > You will also need to change two settings in Xfce: > > 1. Menu > Settings > Appearance > Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy > > 2. Menu > Settings > Window Manager > Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy > > Hopefully all this will be integrated by beta2. > > Enjoy the purpiness! > > golinux > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > @golinux: It looks nice! @everyone else: the following goes in the gtk-2.0 files to get rid of the giant icons in the popups on the desktop items (The ones that jump up and practically bite you when you hover a desktop icon.) --- cut style "xfdesktop-icon-view" { XfdesktopIconView::label-alpha = 0 XfdesktopIconView::selected-label-alpha = 0 XfdesktopIconView::tooltip-size = 0 base[NORMAL] = "#00" base[SELECTED] = "#94928d" base[ACTIVE] = "#b5b3ac" fg[NORMAL] = "#ff" fg[SELECTED] = "#ff" fg[ACTIVE] = "#ff" } # xfce4 stuff widget_class "*XfdesktopIconView*" style "xfdesktop-icon-view" --- cut For those unfamiliar with theming, these lines go at the very end of the purpy gtk-2.0/gtkrc file. Or if you'd like to get rid of the gigantic pops globally put that into a .gtkrc-2.0 file in you home directory. Depending on the theme and wallpaper, you may need to tweak some of the alpha and color settings. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Default purpy desktop theme
Evidently the default purpy desktop graphics didn't make it into the beta. :( You can find the purpy wallpaper here (among all the others): https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/desktop-base/tree/master/backgrounds And it looks like the purpy window manager theme is here: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages/clearlooks-phenix-purpy-theme/tree/master Put the following elements into a directory named Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy: index.theme gtk-3.0 gtk-2.0 openbox-3 metacity-1 xfwm4 Then put that directory in /usr/share/themes/ . You will also need to change two settings in Xfce: 1. Menu > Settings > Appearance > Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy 2. Menu > Settings > Window Manager > Clearlooks-Phenix-purpy Hopefully all this will be integrated by beta2. Enjoy the purpiness! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry
On Tue, 5/3/16, Ozi Traveller wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry To: "Go Linux" , "dng" Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 8:15 PM On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 10:28 AM, Go Linux wrote: >> I just upgraded some packages and got this error: >> >> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ >> jessie/main i386 Packages >> >>(/var/lib/apt/lists/auto.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie_main_binary-i386_Packages) >> >> Hoping someone can translate. Don't know if it's something local or a >> duplication at the source. >> >> golinux > > > > There could be sources.list file in these folders that overlap. > /etc/apt > /etc/apt/sources.list.d > Thanks Ozi Traveller. I found this in /etc/apt/sources.list.d: # autogenerated by devuan-baseconf # decomment following lines to enable the developers devuan repository deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main # deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ jessie main I guess I should comment out that one line. Since I didn't have this error before upgrading to the beta, I assume it is something that occurred during that process. You might want to look into it Centurion_Dan. golinux golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Duplicate sources.list entry
I just upgraded some packages and got this error: W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/main i386 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/auto.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_jessie_main_binary-i386_Packages) Hoping someone can translate. Don't know if it's something local or a duplication at the source. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan
On Tue, 5/3/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 3:36 PM > > I noticed in > > https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 > > that it recommends deb lines like > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main > > and > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main > > Shall I change them to auto.mirror.devuan.org? > > Or does that require special privileges? I've only just signed on > there and I'm rated a rank newbie. > > -- hendrik I just made the changes. Please double check that there are no errors. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan
On Tue, 5/3/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: [DNG] another instance of packages.devuan To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 3:36 PM > > I noticed in > > https://talk.devuan.org/t/migrating-from-debian-to-a-minimalist-devuan/181 > > that it recommends deb lines like > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main > > and > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main > > Shall I change them to auto.mirror.devuan.org? > > Or does that require special privileges? I've only just signed on > there and I'm rated a rank newbie. > > -- hendrik I have admin privs on discourse and found a way to edit other people's posts. Can't do it atm but will later if no one else gets to it before me. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan (and Windows)
On Tue, 5/3/16, Mitt Green wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Devuan To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, May 3, 2016, 1:51 AM >> The current init system is old. Ancient. >> We should all agree on it. Devuan is looking >> for a new init system that is not systemd and my >> personal choice for this task from now on is >> Gentoo's OpenRC. > > Unix is old. Ancient. We should all agree on it. > Devuan is looking for a new base system that > is not Unix and my personal choice for this > task from now is Microsoft's Windows. > Mitt's response reminded me of a post that was made to the forum earlier today in the topic "Windows explained to Devuan supporters" at https://talk.devuan.org/t/windows-explained-to-devuan-supporters/139/10 : Linux = Pen testing Windows = everything else There are no advantages in using any linux distros other than pen testing and that it can be installed on a USB key(and I think that's very cool). Even Software Defined Radio (SDR) with maybe the exception of GMS intercepting and decoding, has more development under Windows. Night and day. One works extremely well on all PCs and permits the User to actually be productive and do things. The other one is a clunky Windows wannabe with a couple of specialized advantages that most don't care about. So.. YES I like its functionality, its popularity(more software dev and hardware support), its clarity and ease of use. The only thing wrong with my Windows is its lack of pen testing capability, and that is why I'm here (KL2 using Debian8 and now looking for an alternative with Dev-one as a base), otherwise I would >> n e v e r << bother with anything linux, life is too short I'll spare you my personal thoughts on this evaluation of Linux but looking forward to all of yours. :) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] cloud
On Sat, 4/30/16, Hughe Chung wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] cloud To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Saturday, April 30, 2016, 8:33 PM >How about cloudnine? How about Stratos. A reference to Star Trek episode the 'Cloud Minders'. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Security Repo (was Re: invalid security certificate)
On Sat, 4/30/16, Don Wright wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Security Repo (was Re: invalid security certificate) To: "dng" Date: Saturday, April 30, 2016, 3:25 PM Daniel Reurich wrote: >We now have jessie-security and ascii-security repositories available on >our mirrors > >deb http(s)://.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main >[contrib] [non-free] Would someone speak to the differences between auto.mirror.devuan.org and auto.mirrors.devuan.org? The first is being used in this discussion, while the second is used on https://devuan.org/ in the main page. I resolve them as: auto.mirror.devuan.org. 300 IN CNAME packages.devuan.org. packages.devuan.org.1800IN A 46.105.191.77 auto.mirrors.devuan.org. 300IN CNAME www.devuan.org. www.devuan.org. 600 IN A 46.105.191.76 Bingo! I removed the 's' on mirrors and it worked!! Thank you! I'll correct that on the site asap!! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Security Repo (was Re: invalid security certificate)
On Sat, 4/30/16, Daniel Reurich wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Security Repo (was Re: invalid security certificate) To: "dev1fanboy" , "dng@lists.dyne.org" Date: Saturday, April 30, 2016, 6:12 AM We now have jessie-security and ascii-security repositories available on our mirrors deb http(s)://.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main [contrib] [non-free] If you've installed from the beta image the security repo stanza should already be in your /etc/apt/sources.list Thanks go to Franco (nextime) Lanza for the big push in working with me to get this up and running. Regards, Daniel. I reconfigured my sources.list as per instructions on the site: deb http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged jessie main deb http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main deb http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main And I'm getting: # apt-get update Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie InRelease Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-updates InRelease Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-security InRelease Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie Release.gpg Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-updates Release.gpg Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-security Release.gpg Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie Release Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-updates Release Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-security Release Err http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1 80] Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie/main Translation-en_US Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie/main Translation-en Err http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-updates/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1 80] Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-updates/main Translation-en_US Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-updates/main Translation-en Err http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-security/main i386 Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1 80] Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-security/main Translation-en_US Ign http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org jessie-security/main Translation-en W: Failed to fetch http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1 80] W: Failed to fetch http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-updates/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1 80] W: Failed to fetch http://auto.mirrors.devuan.org/merged/dists/jessie-security/main/binary-i386/Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:41d0:8:2c55::a1 80] E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead. What am I doing wrong? Probably overlooked something basic . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] mounting an android phone as usb storage
On Fri, 4/29/16, fuumind wrote: Subject: [DNG] mounting an android phone as usb storage To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 9:26 AM > I'm trying to connect my android > phone to my devuan laptop as a USB storage device but it > aint working. Connecting an ordinary USB storage device > automounts and triggers a popup in pcmanfm. > > dmesg says it has detected the device and lsusb shows an > entry as well but I can't seem to find a device in /dev. > > What should I be looking for? /fuumind This may or may not be relevant but . . . when I connect my Canon camera on Devuan I have to mount it from the device column in Thunar. If your phone is listed there, give it a try. Or try mounting it the old-fashioned way . . . ;) golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie - beta release announcement
On Fri, 4/29/16, Harald Arnesen wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie - beta release announcement To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 7:07 AM >> Veteran Unix Admins [2016-04-29 13:32]: >> Debian GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd, on its way to ^^ >> become much more than that. This Beta release marks an important >> milestone towards the sustainability and the continuation of Devuan as >> an universal base distribution. >> -- >> Hilsen Harald Oops . . . This announcement definitely should have been passed by some proofreaders. It is a little ragged and really could have used a cleanup for spelling and ESL issues. There are those of us who are here to do that but this is the first I've seen it. So much for 'team' effort . . . golinux PS. Apologies for being annoyed at this less than perfect unveiling of the Beta. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] dist upgrade from alpha4 to beta
On Fri, 4/29/16, Noel Torres wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] dist upgrade from alpha4 to beta To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 29, 2016, 7:26 AM Haines Brown escribió: >> >> In my alpha 4 sources.list I have: >> >> deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main non-free contrib >> >> However, if the beta is jessie, then I should already be at beta >> level. That is, a simple aptitude update/safe upgrade would be all I >> need to do, rather than a dist-upgrade. Is that so? > > Yes > > Regards > > me I actually did a dist-upgrade. All is running just fine but libsystemd0 is still installed! What's with that? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers
On Thu, 4/28/16, Rob Owens wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] For all you automounter programmers To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Thursday, April 28, 2016, 9:44 AM - Original Message - > From: "Steve Litt" > Do you happen to know a corresponding utility to read/write the label > on an ext4 formatted thumb drive partition? > e2label /dev/sdXY my_label Steve, I know it's a tool you probably wouldn't use but labels can also be created with gparted. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly
On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, April 22, 2016, 9:28 PM On 04/23/2016 10:54 AM, Go Linux wrote: > On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter wrote: >> >> >>> What is the reason people use CentOS? It's in the name and Cpanel is >>> evidence. >>> >> >> >> I think that people use Centos to avoid the cost of an expensive support >> contract with Redhat. >> >> > >But still have the cozy feeling that they are using an "enterprise" >product. CentOS = Community enterprise OS. > Because Centos IS Redhat without the paid support ie a "free' community version. Nearly all the hosting companies I've done business with have used Centos. > > Why would you want to use RedHat anyway? > For me it was just a matter of circumstances. Back @2005 the geeks at the local LUG were using it. They had an "installfest" and that's what got put on a hand-me-down machine alongside Winblows 98. Those were blissful days of a sane Gnome2 desktop and a customizable usplash login screen. Ubuntu hadn't arrived yet and Lennart was still in 'diapers' with only sugarplum dreams of Lendows . . . sigh . . . ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly
On Fri, 4/22/16, Simon Walter wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] M$ Linux-frendly To: "dng@lists.dyne.org" Date: Friday, April 22, 2016, 8:16 PM [cut] > > What is the reason people use CentOS? It's in the name and Cpanel is evidence. > [cut] I think that people use Centos to avoid the cost of an expensive support contract with Redhat. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On Wed, 4/20/16, BohwaZ wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 7:51 AM Le Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:45:39 +0200, Didier Kryn a écrit : > Le 19/04/2016 15:41, BohwaZ a écrit : > > > For Skype you can use apulse (like this: $ apulse skype) which wraps > > > calls to PulseAudio directly to Alsa without requiring any PA > > > component. It works well. > > > > Sure I will try this! Not only Skype requires pulse, but it > > wants the 32-bit version of it. If apluse can run 64-bit, it will > > remove a lot of mess. Thanks. > > I use https://github.com/i-rinat/apulse > > There is a debian package which contains two binaries (by > Nikolay Romanov, but I can't seem to find the package anymore?): > > This program provides the PulseAudio emulation for ALSA. > Usage: > $ apulse32 [parameters] - for 32-bit programs > $ apulse64 [parameters] - for 64-bit programs > > There's other packages out there but didn't try them. > > -- > BohwaZ > This is not the first time apulse has been discussed on this list. There was talk of packaging apluse for Devuan last year but that conversation has been lost in time. Perhaps adding apulse to Devuan will be reconsidered once the beta is out. I would certainly like pulseaudio and it's libs out of my system. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Wed, 4/20/16, Svante Signell wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 9:38 AM On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote: > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? Perhaps you would like to provide some content for those pages? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On Tue, 4/19/16, Hendrik Boom wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Tuesday, April 19, 2016, 8:32 AM On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 02:17:43PM +0900, Simon Walter wrote: > On 04/18/2016 07:13 PM, Noel Torres wrote: > >* our own bug reporting system > > > > Hi all, > > I am a bit surprised there is no bug tracker and some other architecture. > > I would like to help make this a reality. Who is "in charge" of that > and who decides this kind of thing? More to the point, what is being used s a bug tracker now? Something on github, maybe? -- hendrik To report a bug, open an issue under the appropriate project in Devuan's gitlab (not github) at https://git.devuan.org/. You will need to register to do so. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ?
On Mon, 4/18/16, Didier Kryn wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] What do we want for ascii ? To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Monday, April 18, 2016, 9:31 AM Le 18/04/2016 12:13, Noel Torres a écrit : > >My Excel macros are a bit slow today (Yes, I said Excel, I use that at >> work) so I started wondering... >> >> What do we (the DNG people) want for ascii ? >> >> My list starts as this: >> * full init freedom, that is, all init methods being equally supported >> (sysv, upstart, systemd) and nothing depending on any of them. >> * our own bug reporting system >> * a method for dividing Devuan in "cases" or "eggs" that do not >> interfere with each other. E.g. the KDE egg, the LibreOffice egg, the >> multimedia egg... maybe tasks with steroids? >> * a rock-solid server platform for all architectures >> * a sufficiently solid desktop and laptop platform for most usual >> architectures >> * Long Term Support for server whit a method for fast updating certain >> packages (like virus lists) >> >> What do YOU want for ascii ? >> >> Regards > All of this seems very attractive. At the moment I just see one > point which is still a nightmare and is not in your list: the sound system. > > Could it be possible to work out a setup of the sound system simple > enough for the random admin to understand how it works and make > educated choices? Eg some set up which would not use Pulse, except for > those apps which exclusively want it, like Skype. > > Do you seriously consider it possible to keep systemd in one of > these eggs? > >Any news of s6? I'm afraid Laurent has leaved the list, either > because he didn't like our disussions or because he was upset by his > emails from dynamic address being rejected. > > Cheers. >Didier > This is putting the cart before the horse IMO. It would be nice to get the beta out the door before focusing on ascii. Any chance some of that energy could be directed towards the beta release? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fw: Beginning of the End for Wheezy [sigh!]
Do you know that debian-u...@lists.debian.org allows non-registered users to post to their lists? I've been checking that list for followups to this post. Was hoping to see some of your responses there but it seems I'm the only one who sent to there. Perhaps some late responders will consider copying to -user also. golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng