Re: [Dng] rumors on RMS about systemd at libreplanet
Great reading. I knew RMS would answer something like that to that question, if it's licensed under GPL, it's free software, period. On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Nextime next...@nexlab.it wrote: On March 21, 2015 3:34:28 PM WET, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: re all, perhaps interesting to perceive the atmosphere, no trolling intended and please consider we shall not fight, rather seek undersanding and claim respect and the right to have different opinions than the majority. At Libreplanet (the GNU/FSF conference) today someone (who?? thanks for that!) asked RMS about what he thinks of systemd. Few of us can afford to be there however from a twit by FSF member John Sullivan I apprehend the QA: @johns_FSF RMS, do you have an opinion about systemd? No. I know it's free software, so you can make your own opinion about it. #lp2015 follows up Stefano Zacchiroli (former Debian leader and present board member of OSI): @zacchiro achievement unlocked: #systemd troll brilliantly averted by rms during #libreplanet keynote a statement by a renown public speaker that clearly leads the public perception of someone making a question to RMS about systemd as being automatically a troll, just for the fact such a question is being asked. I've replied myself, via the @DevuanOrg twit account: is asking a question about #systemd now considered trolling? wow. #minculpop also later asking John: did someone explained how #Hurd is affected? https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/systemd.html … ...and uclibc etc. FWIW (no trolling intended) and I'm serious: I'd like to hear the *opinion* (which we are all free to have) of the GNU leaders on these matters, considering the aforementioned implications, which I'm not sure RMS has acknowledged. I understand perfectly RMS answer above which is rather sane: he is separating the power of his role in that particular moment (setting the ethical bar on free software for people listening) with the fact we can all have opinions. This is something a good leader should do, rather than bully somoene for making an uncomfortable question What I want to make here is an exortation to everyone reading: if we really think something needs to be done about systemd, please do your best in putting forward your opinion, avoiding to impose it or to aggressively wave it in front of everyone. If bullied please stand firmly by the right you have to have a different opinion and to debate it in the public. I think we need to state this because what Stefano and others are doing in this occasion is bullying people with different opinions, labeling them as trolls (and therefore enemies of the community) and ultimately denying there can even be a debate about systemd, spreading fear in anyone willing to debate it. I think this is totally unacceptable for a free society, that's why I label it as MinCulPop attitude, which ultimately was the fascist authority which established what can be debated, something Italians remember very well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Popular_Culture ciao -- Jaromil, Dyne.org Free Software Foundry (est. 2000) We are free to share code and we code to share freedom Web: https://j.dyne.org Contact: https://j.dyne.org/c.vcf GPG: 6113 D89C A825 C5CE DD02 C872 73B3 5DA5 4ACB 7D10 Confidential communications: https://keybase.io/jaromil ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng Standing ovation jaro! -- nextime ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] greetings how to help
Thank you! On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Udo Rader list...@bestsolution.at wrote: Haven't tried it for myself, but the Wiki says there are native qemu images as well: https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/wikis/try-devuan-on-qemu On 03/18/2015 02:48 PM, Linuxito wrote: How can you download the image without using vagrant? I couldn't make it work on my FBSD box :( On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:06 PM, fsmithred fsmith...@gmail.com mailto:fsmith...@gmail.com wrote: On 03/17/2015 09:56 AM, Steve Litt wrote: I tried the Vagrant on my Wheezy box the day the Vagrant image came out, and it errored out with some VirtualBox error. I forgot the error, and don't have enough time to whip it into working shape. Are there any instructions for using Vagrant with Qemu instead of Virtualbox? If you managed to download the image... qemu-img convert -f vmdk -O raw box-disk1.vmdk devuan_alpha1.img fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org mailto:Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] simple backgrounds
I agree with you. We need identity, and more important, we need a brand. Although I know nothing about marketing, I think a logo it's the most important component of a brand. It will help us make our distribution known by others, it will bring contributions, donations, etc. So I believe choosing a logo, at least a temporary one, it's something important. From Wikipedia: Marketing is communicating the value of a product, service or brand to customers, for the purpose of promoting or selling that product, service, or brand. We need to sell Devuan to get more help and let our community grow. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Anto arya...@chello.at wrote: On 26/02/15 18:04, Hendrik Boom wrote: And don't want Devuan deelopers to waste time on them if it means delaying our release. After a usable release, we'll have time for such matters. -- hendrik Hello Hendrik, I agree with what you mentioned as the highest priority is to get the first version of Devuan being released. I am quite sure that in the next 6 months or so after Devuan is being released, I will not need any logo, background or even splash screen. As my first priority is to switch my 2 Xen VPS' from Debian into Devuan. I will test that first on my backup NAS server, which is now just lying around gathering dust. Having said that, perhaps I can use this old server to test Devuan and report any problems. However, logo is quite important as it is all about identity. I think Devuan needs that. Don't you think? There is no harm in discussing it now. Some good artistic ideas could come out of this discussion. So turning this kind of discussions down, would not help getting those ideas. Kind regards, Anto ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey
Of course. Should I make that link public on this list? Thanks. On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:21 PM, Go Linux goli...@yahoo.com wrote: On Wed, 2/25/15, Linuxito ad...@linuxito.com wrote: Subject: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, February 25, 2015, 10:10 AM Hi people, As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for Devuan in the Without Systemd Wiki: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo Now I have created a new (more graphical) survey, to give a vote to your favorite logo: https://surveymonkey.com/s/Q7HV9GZ Remember this is not an authoritative poll and intends to help the design team to make a choice on what we have at present. This is important because: 1- we cannot trust 100% the survey tools; and 2- we have decided to not select things by majority voting, but by a specialized workgroup. Greetings, Emiliano. Thanks for setting this up. Is there a URL where we can see the results in real time? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey
Thanks Jaromil, We outpassed the 100 responses limit in the survey (122 actually) and sadly surveymonkey will only show you that 100 (unless you pay). I'm going to send the link to golinux. Have a great day. Emiliano. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 7:58 AM, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Linuxito wrote: Of course. Should I make that link public on this list? perhaps not, just mail the pass to golinux waters are calmer, but trolls and vandalism is still behind the corner, we cannot be too lax on our infrastructure. by the time the systemd hooligans will realize that Devuan is a serious project that will deliver, we'll have to face some fights I guess... First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi and as of today they are still laughing.. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] Devuan Logo survey
I tried limesurvey once, works great. That would be great. On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Martijn Dekkers devuan-li...@dekkers.org.uk wrote: If this is something we are going to be doing more often, I can deploy https://opinahq.com/ or https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (or whatever else people prefer) On 26 February 2015 at 13:54, Jaromil jaro...@dyne.org wrote: On Thu, 26 Feb 2015, Linuxito wrote: Thanks Jaromil, We outpassed the 100 responses limit in the survey (122 actually) and sadly surveymonkey will only show you that 100 (unless you pay). we do have funds to pay that in case the design workgroup deems it as a useful way to collect feedback. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] Devuan Logo survey
Hi people, As you may know, we have been collecting logo proposals for Devuan in the Without Systemd Wiki: http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Category:Logo Now I have created a new (more graphical) survey, to give a vote to your favorite logo: https://surveymonkey.com/s/Q7HV9GZ Remember this is not an authoritative poll and intends to help the design team to make a choice on what we have at present. This is important because: 1- we cannot trust 100% the survey tools; and 2- we have decided to not select things by majority voting, but by a specialized workgroup. Greetings, Emiliano. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
