Re: [DNG] strange effect on overwrite
On Thu, Jun 23, 2022 at 03:41:21PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote: > > >> > > >> when i write to a disk: > > >> dd if=/dev/zero of=xx bs=1G count=1 > > >> > > >> reports 2.6 GB (expected) > > >> doing again speed drops to 200MB. Isn't conv=sync needed to make sure that you are not just seeing buffer effects? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Flash memory testing on Windows (was: fdisk SD card partitioning question)
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 07:31:59PM -0700, Syeed Ali wrote: > As there was some discussion of fakes. At your own risk and if you > have access to Windows there are some good tools to low-level verify > either for a fake or bad bits on USB/SD storage: But we have already noted that f3 is such a tool for linux... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fdisk SD card partitioning question
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 09:34:32AM +0200, Andreas Messer wrote: > > However, the best way to use SD-Cards in Linux only environments is > to format them with f2fs file system. f2fs was developed by Samsung > with internal behavior of embedded MMC memory devices in mind. Which > is pretty the same like an SD-Card. With f2fs you also have > uid/gid as usual and it will help to improve the endurance and > performance of an SD-Card. Interesting. I always use f2fs on my ssds, but it does seem to have a large overhead, so although I think I once used it on an sdhc card for exactly the reasons you describe, I usually go to ext4 without a journal to get more space. sdhc flash memory is extremely expensive so there is a strong motive to maximize the available space. Aside: I have almost ceased to use USB sticks (apart from booting live images) because a cheap SSD is far faster and cheaper: I use usb-sata cables, and they only cost a £ or two. I do use f2fs also on my heritage USB sticks. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fdisk SD card partitioning question
On Mon, Jun 13, 2022 at 10:09:31AM +0100, ael via Dng wrote: > On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 06:33:37PM -0700, Fred wrote: > > So confirmed as a fake. Maybe worth checeking with fwrite and fread for > a more thorough check. s/fwrite/f3write and s/fread/f3read: typo corrections, of course. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fdisk SD card partitioning question
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 06:33:37PM -0700, Fred wrote: > > The f3probe utility says: > > Good news: The device /dev/sdb is the real thing > > And then it reports the same size as fdisk, 27.48GB usable even though the > card is plainly marked 64GB. So confirmed as a fake. Maybe worth checeking with fwrite and fread for a more thorough check. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fdisk SD card partitioning question
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 02:14:15PM -0700, Fred wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > I recall a lot of discussion about this on either this list or the > > Debian list. If the card was an offbrand I would assume it was fraud > > and would not have even asked here. However, the card is a SanDisk. The > > packaging becomes destroyed in removing the card so I can't take it back > > to Walfart for exchange. Plenty of fake cards pretend to be SanDisk. No idea whether Walfart can be trusted to have checked their cards. > > You said above that you use a better filesystem for the sdhc cards. Have > > you done that for a card over 32GB? And how? Most of my sdhc cards are used in "other" devices, and so have to be kept in vfat. But I have other cards, usually in ext4 (without a journal to extend flash life). I can't remember now whether any are 64GB, but I have never had any problem reformatting, or finding fdisk reporting different sizes. But then I always check cards with f3 on purchase, just in case. Using fwrite and fread also gives me an idea of the speed of the card. The downside is that that test writes all (unreserved blocks) so all subsequent writes need an erase cycle, so the effective speed drops. But that is going to happen anyway with normal use. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] fdisk SD card partitioning question
On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 12:35:06PM -0700, Fred wrote:
> On 6/12/22 09:18, Antony Stone wrote:
> > On Sunday 12 June 2022 at 17:11:45, Fred wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I have some directories I want to back up to an SD card while preserving
> > > the permissions. I have tried to repartition a 64GB card and write an
> > > ext4 filesystem.
> >
> > What is the existing partition table?
> >
> > Out of interest, since this is ext4 and therefore Linux (not Windows), why
> > partiton at all? Why not just "mkfs.ext4 /dev/sdX"?
> >
> > > fdisk says the card has 124702720 sectors and has 59.5GB available.
> > > However it will not make a partition over 27.5GB. Why and what to do?
Are you sure that this is not just another example of "Flash Fraud"?
You could try running https://github.com/AltraMayor/f3 .
> Hi,
> As supplied the SD cards are intended to work with Windows. Under Linux
> only root can write to them and the ownership can not be changed. I want
> preserve permissions of data written to the card.
I don't follow above. SD cards usually come with a vfat file system and
are indeed set up mainly for Windoze. But if you mount with
-o uid=someone,gid=someone,..
then that someone user can write.
I do this all the time with a whole variety of sdhc cards. I only leave
them formated for vfat if I need to move them between other devices
(cameras, sat navs, ereaders which only read and write vfat). Otherwise
I use a better file system.
>
> root@aragog:# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb
> Disk /dev/sdb: 27.48 GiB, 29504831488 bytes, 57626624 sectors
> Disk model: Card-Reader
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> Disklabel type: dos
> Disk identifier: 0x
>
> Device Boot Start End Sectors Size Id Type
> /dev/sdb1 32768 124735487 124702720 59.5G 7 HPFS/NTFS/exFAT
>
> I don't know why the size is reported differently in two places. It is a
> 64GB card.
Are you sure?? Not a faked 32GB ?
>
> I tried your dd command line and things have gone downhill as the 64GB card
> is now only 27.4GB.
So almost certainly a fake. Did you but this from somewhere trustworthy?
> root@aragog:# /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb
> Disk /dev/sdb: 27.48 GiB, 29504831488 bytes, 57626624 sectors
> Disk model: Card-Reader
> Units: sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
> Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
> I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
>
>
> I tried fdisk again with the same result.
>
> root@aragog:# /sbin/fdisk /dev/sdb
> Command (m for help): n
> Partition type
>p primary (0 primary, 0 extended, 4 free)
>e extended (container for logical partitions)
> Select (default p): p
> Partition number (1-4, default 1): 1
> First sector (2048-57626623, default 2048):
> Last sector, +/-sectors or +/-size{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-57626623, default
> 57626623):
>
> Created a new partition 1 of type 'Linux' and of size 27.5 GiB.
>
> Command (m for help): d
> Selected partition 1
> Partition 1 has been deleted.
>
> Command (m for help): n
> Partition type
>p primary (0 primary, 0 extended, 4 free)
>e extended (container for logical partitions)
> Select (default p): e
> Partition number (1-4, default 1): 1
> First sector (2048-57626623, default 2048):
> Last sector, +/-sectors or +/-size{K,M,G,T,P} (2048-57626623, default
> 57626623):
>
> Created a new partition 1 of type 'Extended' and of size 27.5 GiB.
>
>
> Any ideas?
Yes. Almost certainly a fake
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Re: [DNG] Functional languages
On Tue, Feb 01, 2022 at 12:01:56PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Nikolaus Klepp via Dng said on Tue, 1 Feb 2022 17:55:30 +0100 > > >Anno domini 2022 Tue, 1 Feb 11:44:37 -0500 > > Steve Litt scripsit: > > >> In the hands of anything but a very careful and > >> security-knowledgeable programmer, writing Python3 is more secure > >> than writing C. You could think of Python3 as C with seatbelts and > >> airbags, and a heck of an inefficient transmission. > > > > I've been trying for over a decade to learn Scheme, or any other > functional programming language. I've failed every time. Since 1982 I had decided not to jump in on this thread since I am fanatical about occam and haskell. Unfortunately occam seems to be withering away. But if you learn any functional language Haskell is the only sane choice. There are many excellent tutorials online. Some assume a fair mathematical background, but there are some which make very few assumptions. Haskell code can be extremely efficient despite being functional and having garbage collection, approaching well written C. Haskell's proper rigorous mathematical underpinings make it very easy to learn. Extremly simple, and no hidden surprises. Pure elegance. But yes, a fairly steep learning curve if you have only a C-style imperative background. But the journey is exhilarating. Python is OO, so hopelessly broken in a concurrent world. But yes, still useful, and most of its good ideas are stolen/taken from Haskell... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Another one bytes the dust
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 09:12:12PM +, ael via Dng wrote: > On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 03:01:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Would it make any sense to invite Norbert Preining to become part of > > the Devuan project? > > I suggested that to him in a private email when that was current. > > I don't remember how or if he replied, but it was not hostile... Some memory has returned :-) At the time this mailing list had a lot of "extreme" posts and would definitely have put off anyone new. I now remember that I mentioned that to Norbert in the email, asking him not to get the wrong impresssion. I can well understand if he decided that he didn't want to be involved at that time. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Another one bytes the dust
On Sat, Jan 22, 2022 at 03:01:06PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > Please view the following email thread by Norbert Preining and others: > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2018/12/msg00032.html > > Best I can tell, because of one recent complaint and a review of his > "tone" in 2012 to 2014, based mostly on his coc and systemd posts, he > was demoted from Developer to Maintainer by the "Debian Account > Managers". This led him to either partially, substantially or > completely withdraw from the Debian project. A quick web search tells > me his view of systemd is not positive. > > Would it make any sense to invite Norbert Preining to become part of > the Devuan project? I suggested that to him in a private email when that was current. I don't remember how or if he replied, but it was not hostile... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: request for assistance
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 10:50:18PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > ael: > > > > > I'm told to: > > > > > > > > > > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y > > > > git clone > > git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git > > or if you want samething smaller, download a specific kernel source > from: > https://www.kernel.org/ > > > If you use "make menuconfig" the config mentioned above is in > "Device drivers -> Graphics support", put a "y" in this entry: > > [ ] Enable additional push buffer debugging > > There are a lot of choises in the kernel config, so the hard part is > to make the right choises. Maybe it is in those guides, but the biggest problem with make menuconfig is the vast number of choices when starting from scratch. If you are satisfied with an otherwise generic kernel, use /boot/config-xxx as a template. I should have mentioned that in my private message. If you do clone the stable kernel, it is probably a good idea to make htmldocs as in the top level README. What you are not told is that the results appear in the Documentation/output/ directory. Caveat: it is a long time since I compiled a kernel, so some of this may be dated. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Fwd: request for assistance
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 02:01:00PM -0600, o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > -- Forwarded message - > From: o1bigtenor > Date: Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 6:14 AM > Subject: Re: [DNG] request for assistance > To: > > > On Sat, Jan 15, 2022 at 2:37 PM wrote: > > > > o1bigtenor: > > ... > > > I'm told to: > > > > > > rebuild the kernel with CONFIG_NOUVEAU_DEBUG_PUSH=y > > ... > > > > That config is used in: > > drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/include/nvif/push.h > > > > its latest commit is d502297008142645edf5c791af424ed321e5da84 > > from 2021-01-19, so you need kernel v5.11-rc6 or later. So > > get a suffiently new kernel and do as they say. > > > > Hmm - - - - and HOW do I do that? git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git should do it. Seems to be 5.16.0 with updates for 5.17 in progress as of this evening. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Youtube, the systemd of video
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 01:38:52PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote: > > Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that > you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing. > > yt-download is gon with the wind. Use a fork like yt-ldp > https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - that's what I have in use. Since my off-topic remark seems to have spawned so much traffic, I will mention that I hae been using Noscript, Adblock latitude and uBlock Origin in my default browser for many years, and do not normally see any advertisements. The youtube video stuff embedded in/preprended to the video stream seemed to be something different. Perhaps I could have found a way to block that. But, as I think I conveyed, I didn't want to view these videos in a browser anyway: just keep downloading and viewing as and when I chose with a highly flexible player like mpv or mplayer or whatever. Just as I was used to with youtube-dl. But Nikolaus has solved that by pointing to yt-dl which I ought to have found myself. Not that I want to inhibit the extended conversation about blocking more generally. Thanks to everyone. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 01:38:52PM +0100, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via Dng wrote: > Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 11:56:51 + > ael via Dng scripsit: > > But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive > > deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make > > youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is > > dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv. > > Install umatrix + ublock-origin and that pestilence is gone. Be aware that > you'll have to fiddle with umatrix to get videos playing. > > yt-download is gon with the wind. Use a fork like yt-ldp > https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp - that's what I have in use. Thank you so much for that. I should have found yt-dlp myself. Just tried it and it worked perfectly, at least on one test case. Wonderful. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched the > video: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive deviant advertisements... And google seem to have found a way to make youtube-dl hopelessly slow. Not to mention that the YT viewer is dire: you can't slow down or speed up etc like, say, mpv. A bit off topic, I know... Does anyone know of a way of accessing youtube nowadays without wasting huge amounts of time and losing the will to live and all concentration before getting to the proper topic (etc)? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HDA AD1882 no card
On Mon, Jan 10, 2022 at 11:55:19AM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > ael: > > On Sun, Jan 09, 2022 at 07:32:13PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > > > I have a lenovo desktop computer which I cannot make sound work > > > on, what am I missing ? > I have used model=AD1882. > Added modinfo output to above site. I am pretty sure that is not a valid setting for the model parameter, but you probably already concluded that. Did not #dmesg |grep -C 4 snd show some complaint about that? > > Look also in /proc/asound/cards > 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xd01a irq 26 As I said before, that's encouraging... Over to the experts... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HDA AD1882 no card
On Sun, Jan 09, 2022 at 07:32:13PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > I have a lenovo desktop computer which I cannot make sound work > on, what am I missing ? > > It's a HDA AD1882 "sound card", but alsamixer says "no card". kernel Documentation/sound/hd-audio/models.rst includes AD1882 / AD1882A 3stack 3-stack mode 3stack-automute 3-stack with automute front HP (default) 6stack 6-stack mode which I think means that these are possible "model" parameter values for the driver. Perhaps worth trying those? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HDA AD1882 no card
On Sun, Jan 09, 2022 at 07:32:13PM +0100, k...@aspodata.se wrote: > I have a lenovo desktop computer which I cannot make sound work > on, what am I missing ? > > It's a HDA AD1882 "sound card", but alsamixer says "no card". > > alsa-info, kernel config and lenovo doc (see p.80) in: > http://aspodata.se/tmp/sound/ Nothing obvious that I could see there on a very superficial skim: but you clearly have alsa seeing the audio devices at some level which is encouraging. I would start with # lspci -k |less and then identify the Audio and the driver which I think I noticed in your alsa-info output: probably snd_hda_intel? Perhaps then # modinfo snd_hda_intel (or whatver your driver is) Seems plausible that you may need to adjust some parameters there to match your hardware. But you have an old lenova which surely must have been sorted out years ago? It looks as if aplay (aka arecord) isn't seeing your cards, so start there before bothering with alsamixer. $ aplay -l would be a good start. Once aplay can see your card(s), I suspect all the other problems will vanish. Look also in /proc/asound/cards I am not an expert: I hope someone else knows far more. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:23:07AM +, Alexis PM via Dng wrote: > > > > Main contributor is from certain company associated with color red and > > a headgear. Given the sentiment on this list, you may want to think twice. > > "pipewire" is not Red Hat's evil version of a supposedly innocent and > community-based "pulseaudio". In fact, knowing who is behind each, although I > distrust both, I think possibly more reliable the person behind "pipewire". > > The creator of "pipewire" is Wim Taymans, Red Hat engineer, co-creator of the > "gstreamer" multimedia framework together with Erik Walthinsen. > > On the other hand, Lennart Poettering, Red Hat engineer too, is the person > behind "pulseaudio" and "systemd". I also think there can be an over reaction to Redhat. I know someone who works for them, and distrusts systemd as much as anyone on this list, and I gather that he is not alone in that view within redhat. It seems to be a pretty accurate rule of thumb that any company that is publically owned cannot be trusted. Google and RH were not too bad until they were listed. It seems that then the corrupting suits move in and destroy any ethics. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio: apulse & firefox
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 08:05:15PM -0700, Gregory Nowak via Dng wrote: > On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 06:57:02PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > > Next, I may take out pulseaudio and verify > > that firefox works on my system with apulse. Then I can be rid of both of > > them. > > Firefox works fine on my systems for playing audio without pulseaudio > or apulse. So, I suggest verifying firefox works for you without > apulse first. Interesting. I only use firefox occasionally, but some versions at least need apulse. I have just checked with version 95.0, and it needs apulse here. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Pipewire and PulseAudio
On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 08:04:35AM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > On 12/13/21 01:05, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 12, 2021 at 09:40:20PM -0800, Marc Shapiro via Dng wrote: > > I am not at all sure that I want pipewire. It was brought in by zoom, and, > at the time I had no idea what it was. I am cutious, now, as to how both > pipewire and pulsaudio are installed and not clobbering each other. If it Just for information, zoom works fine with just plain alsa here on a debian testing system. I normally use Palemoon which also is fine with plain alsa. I know that some people worry about Palemoon... I occasionally use firefox, and then I need apulse - which works. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan with usr merge? initramfs
On Sat, Nov 13, 2021 at 09:32:38AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > > I now understand the concern of Steve: it looks like the beginning > of an attempt to force initramfs on people, even if it is not effective yet. I too dislike having to use initramfs rather than having the essential modules compiled into the kernel. In passing, I can see the problem for distributions, since what is "essential" varies with the user. For example, I usually use f2fs on my SSDs. However, as I understand it, it is difficult to apply firmware fixes to CPUs other than by using initramfs. And firmware fixes are pretty important, not least for security. Have I got this wrong? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Chimaera Oddities
On Sat, Oct 30, 2021 at 10:04:20AM -0400, Ken Dibble wrote: > Well, it kind of works on chimaera, but the i/o is limited to 6MB/s. > > Blacklisting it results in full speed 140MB/s +-. > > Are you getting normal i/o speeds? Well, I haven't measured, but it seems fast. Maybe I should reach for iotop next time I have that drive connected. I would expect the drive rather than the interface to be the limiting factor. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Chimaera Oddities
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 12:36:19PM -0400, Ken Dibble wrote: > A couple of oddities. > > > The uas driver does not like the JMicron Sata/USB 3 bridge. > > Bus 004 Device 003: ID 152d:0578 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA > Technology Corp. JMS567 SATA 6Gb/s bridge Works here on debian testing: # lsusb -s 004:002 Bus 004 Device 002: ID 152d:0567 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JMS567 SATA 6Gb/s bridge # lsmod |grep uas uas32768 1 usb_storage81920 1 uas usbcore 331776 8 xhci_hcd,ehci_pci,usb_storage,uvcvideo,ehci_hcd,btusb,xhci_pci,uas scsi_mod 262144 6 sd_mod,usb_storage,uas,libata,sg,sr_mod # uname -srvm Linux 5.14.0-2-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 5.14.9-2 (2021-10-03) x86_64 ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Clicking website wasRe: Announcing Devuan 4.0: Chimaera!
On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 09:28:54AM +1100, terryc wrote: > On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 17:49:17 +0200 > > System is a pre-release installation of chimaera (about march?) but > updated. > Sound system is alsa with problem of single focus only; i.e. only one > sound program can be run at a time. So I have to shut down vlc to be > able to play a video(ewetube) in falkon(browser) with sound. > > If falkon is open, the selecting a linked video(ewetube) in firefox > produces a click. The video will still play, but no sound. > > I just put it down to something to do with alsa configuration as > porto=hdmi(no spreakers in screen) and port1=hw and none of the little > fiddling I've attempted can fix that. Just a wild guess: change hw to plughw? $ aplay -L will display all the alsa devices. I think that plughw allows multiple device access. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] 2FA via SIPP# to PC- HowTo? Under Devuan
On Fri, Oct 08, 2021 at 09:28:08AM +1100, terryc wrote: > Hello folks > > Since it is topical:2FA > > So any recommendations for software and cluebies? > > For 2FA, all I need is a text message receiver. Others may want the > whole headset backend. Any clues/experience? In UK at least, some providers have an option to do 2FA using a landline/SIP 'phone (with a PTSN gateway). Usually they sent a automated voice message asking for a number displayed on a webpage to be entered on the keypad. Others send the code directly via an audio message instead of a text. No smartphone needed. Pressure the companies to do the same? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Synaptics Touchpad Fn+F9
On Fri, Feb 05, 2021 at 01:23:16PM +, g4sra via Dng wrote: > > > > Perhaps someone has a hint on resetting the device, if you'd reveal its > > make and model? > > Laptop make is mostly irrelevant as the hardware is self-contained as > manufactured by Synaptics. I believe the communication is SMBus in this > instance, I know of no way to interrogate the touchpad itself other than by > what is reported using Synaptics drivers for Windows. Doesn't the xserver-xorg-input-synaptics package do that and more? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] motherboard BIOS update
On Fri, Jan 08, 2021 at 07:43:37AM -0700, Fred wrote: > Is there a Devuan program that can update the motherboard BIOS? I don't do > Windows. Maybe https://github.com/fwupd/fwupdi, https://fwupd.org/ ? From what I remember, it has a lot of limitations and requires the cooperation of the motherboard manufacturer. Presumably libreboot must include a something to write the BIOS. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Disabling touchpad
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:55:19AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 03:36:35PM +0000, ael wrote: > > On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:20:04AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > If it is an synaptics touchpad then it is highly configurable and you > > should be able to fine tune it to do exactly what you want. > > believe it is a synaptics. > man synclient and man syndaemon a should tell you what you need to know. syndaemon - "Disabling the touchpad while typing avoids unwanted movements of the pointer that could lead to giving focus to the wrong window." $ synclient here gives: Parameter settings: LeftEdge= 1767 RightEdge = 5600 TopEdge = 1637 BottomEdge = 4451 FingerLow = 24 FingerHigh = 29 MaxTapTime = 179 MaxTapMove = 234 MaxDoubleTapTime= 150 SingleTapTimeout= 180 ClickTime = 100 EmulateMidButtonTime= 80 EmulateTwoFingerMinZ= 282 EmulateTwoFingerMinW= 7 VertScrollDelta = 106 HorizScrollDelta= 106 VertEdgeScroll = 1 HorizEdgeScroll = 0 CornerCoasting = 0 VertTwoFingerScroll = 1 HorizTwoFingerScroll= 1 MinSpeed= 1 MaxSpeed= 1.75 AccelFactor = 0.0374602 TouchpadOff = 1 LockedDrags = 0 LockedDragTimeout = 5000 RTCornerButton = 0 RBCornerButton = 0 LTCornerButton = 0 LBCornerButton = 0 TapButton1 = 1 TapButton2 = 3 TapButton3 = 2 ClickFinger1= 1 ClickFinger2= 1 ClickFinger3= 1 CircularScrolling = 0 CircScrollDelta = 0.1 CircScrollTrigger = 0 CircularPad = 0 PalmDetect = 1 PalmMinWidth= 10 PalmMinZ= 200 CoastingSpeed = 20 CoastingFriction= 50 PressureMotionMinZ = 30 PressureMotionMaxZ = 160 PressureMotionMinFactor = 1 PressureMotionMaxFactor = 1 GrabEventDevice = 0 TapAndDragGesture = 1 AreaLeftEdge= 0 AreaRightEdge = 0 AreaTopEdge = 0 AreaBottomEdge = 0 HorizHysteresis = 26 VertHysteresis = 26 ClickPad= 0 Those are all tuned for my system and my preferences here. synclient allows you to adjust all of them. So you can change the undue sensitivity that you mentioned, or do almost anything else. man synaptics documents what all those parameters do. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Disabling touchpad
On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 10:20:04AM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > My touchpad is absurdly sensitive, and I keep brushing against it by accident. > I don't feel the touch at all, but the computer sure does. > It can hapen while I'm typing and suddenly my text edit turns into a > shell command in a newsly chosen window. > I suspect even a few beard hairs can activate it. > the mouse fails (usually low battery) an then I do want the touchpad. > > Is there any way to disable the touchpad normally, but to reactivate it > easily when the mouse fails? If it is an synaptics touchpad then it is highly configurable and you should be able to fine tune it to do exactly what you want. But just /usr/bin/syndaemon -i 1 -d -k may be all you need to avoid problems when typing. dpkg -L xserver-xorg-input-synaptics will reveal several relevant tools. I don't know if other types of touchpad have similar tools. Probably. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] problematic mouse driver?
On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 10:58:16AM -0800, Ian Zimmerman wrote: > On 2020-11-17 06:07, Haines Brown wrote: > > > About the time I upgraded to Bwowulf I experienced periodic problems > > having the mouse pasting scanneted text with middle mouse button. > > > It does help to have a full leo^H^H^Hkeyboard with a numeric keypad, > rather than one of the built-in laptop keyboards. Some decent laptops have full numeric keypads: Clevo for instance. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom via Firefox
On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 11:10:18AM +, Jim Jackson wrote: > > Firefox sound works for showing videos etc. I have set mixer values so that > I can record > > arecord -vvv -f dat -d 4 /tmp/a.wav > > and it plays back. So speakers and microphone working. > > I want to run Zoom via Firefox (not via external app), sound only - I don't Just use apulse? Works here with firefox/zoom and no pulseaudio... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...
On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 02:23:04PM +0100, ael wrote: > On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 06:52:06AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > For me security refers primarily to file access. This takes me back to > > my question. If I craete a new user, named zoom for example, and have > > it run zoom, won't that limit access files on my HD? > > One hopes so. But I had to install the zoom deb package via root. > Since it is closed source, who knows what the package might do? Actually zoom does offer a tarball for download, so that can be checked and so is safer than a closed deb. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom? Rather not...
On Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 06:52:06AM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > For me security refers primarily to file access. This takes me back to > my question. If I craete a new user, named zoom for example, and have > it run zoom, won't that limit access files on my HD? One hopes so. But I had to install the zoom deb package via root. Since it is closed source, who knows what the package might do? It is probably safe since zoom would have a lot to lose if there was anything dubious in there, and many experts had tried to check. Maybe running zoom on a live image would be safer, but even there root has access to permanent storage. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On Wed, Aug 05, 2020 at 03:39:53PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > On Tue, Aug 04, 2020 at 01:34:59PM +0100, ael wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:58:26PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > > > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > > > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > > > > > But there's no zoom in the beowulf repository. Do I have to download > > > debian's zoom .deb? > > Incidenttally is there a public site that one can use to test zoom? There is an automated test session on the zoom site. Good plac to check out audio and video setting. It does *not* require pulseaudio: it works with simple alsa. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Zoom?
On Mon, Aug 03, 2020 at 07:58:26PM -0400, Haines Brown wrote: > I've been relying on zoom on a laptop runnding debian. But there's a > problem with it and I want to install zoom on beowulf 3. > > But there's no zoom in the beowulf repository. Do I have to download > debian's zoom .deb? There is no zoom.deb in Debian as far as I can see. It is closed source, I think. You have to download it from https://zoom.us/download?os=linux if you trust it. I was forced to use it to join certain zoom meetings at a University, but tend to purge it after use. But since zoom writes the deb, there is no certainty that really removes everything. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 07:03:45PM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > Anno domini 2020 Thu, 21 May 13:09:32 +0100 > ael scripsit: > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:57AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > > > I forgot.. > > > The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch > > > the > > > kernel, it should be supported by definition( it loads the kernel into > > > memory...so it access the block device.. ).. > > > > But you need the f2fs module in the initramfs as well, so that might be > > the problem. See also > > http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21951#p21951 > > Not with the "stock" kernel you get when running rpi-update. It has f2fs > built in, not as a module. I doublechecked that yesterday :) That's good to know. I guess I should check for amd64 which is what I am looking at just now. On debian config-5.6.0-1-amd64 it seems to be a module, so I guess the same will be true of devuan. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation
On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 05:04:57AM +0100, tux...@sapo.pt wrote: > I forgot.. > The bootloader needs support for f2fs, but since you are able to launch the > kernel, it should be supported by definition( it loads the kernel into > memory...so it access the block device.. ).. But you need the f2fs module in the initramfs as well, so that might be the problem. See also http://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=21951#p21951 ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation
On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:35:22PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 19 May 2020 at 22:30:50, ael wrote: > > > I am hoping to install beowulf onto a new laptop in a week or two. > > I use f2fs on several drives with good results, so I want to > > use it on the root partition. f2fs seems the obvious choice on ssd's. > > https://howtos.davidsebek.com/debian-f2fs.html may be what you need. Thanks for that. That seems to be a workaround for the deficiences of the debian installer, and I guess that I might have to do something like that. But I was hoping that the devuan installer might be a bit better. I hope that the devuan installer already has the f2fs modules in its initramfs: despite that howto, I think that it is only the f2fs module itself that is needed. So that would be a simple lightweight change to the devuan version if it is not already there. Then the f2fs-tools,libf2fs-format4 and libf2fs5 packages need to be added to the pool. Is much else needed? I suppose that I might be able to build an installation image like that myself and see what happens. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] f2fs and beowulf: installation
I am hoping to install beowulf onto a new laptop in a week or two. I use f2fs on several drives with good results, so I want to use it on the root partition. f2fs seems the obvious choice on ssd's. I have just downloaded devuan_beowulf_3.0.0_RC_desktop-amd64.iso, loop mounted it, and looked for any f2fs packages in the pool. I didn't find anything, although I only used a rather simplistic 'find' search. Does the beowulf installer support f2fs as a root partition? Perhaps I need to use the net-install approach? I see that grub has supported f2fs for over two years, so that part should be OK. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select "No Operating system". See, for example, https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop Send from a Clevo laptop running Linux... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select "No Operating system". See, for example, https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop I have no knowledge of that company: I just did a search for Clevo & Australia. Clevo laptops are sold under many different names: I think all resellers rebrand them. I think all the resellers offer "No Operating system", so no MS tax. Unfortunately, as yet they do not offer any Ryzen laptops, although that could change. I suspect Clevo actually manufacture many of the "well known" brands. Send from a Clevo laptop, which has never been soiled by MS, running Linux... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Audio woes in Ascii - speakers but no headphones
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:17:25AM +0200, Lars Noodén via Dng wrote: > > > On 12/10/18 1:25 AM, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > > [...] > > One other good idea is this: alsactl init > > The command will put your soundcard in a usable > > state. > > > > As exemplified here: > > > > > https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/15765/why-do-i-have-to-run-alsactl-init-each-time-i-boot-my-system > > Progress. > > Thanks. I checked AlsaMixer and it showed the headphones with full > volume but still no sound, unless I unplug the headphone jack and then > sound comes from the speakers instead. In alsamixer, you should have an "Auto-mute" control. What you describe matches "Auto-mute enabled". Just use alsamixer to disable that if that is what you prefer. Then you can use alsactl to save these new settings as needed. alsactl init resets to "default" state, which may not be what you want or expect. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Audio woes in Ascii - speakers but no headphones
On Sun, Dec 09, 2018 at 01:25:05PM -1000, Joel Roth via Dng wrote: > One other good idea is this: alsactl init > The command will put your soundcard in a usable > state. Just a note on this: I use alsactl regularly to modify my alsa sound settings when I switch to headphones for voip calls. So I have a script like this: --- #!/bin/sh /usr/sbin/alsactl -f /home/me/voip/my_preferred_voip_alsa restore 0 . --- However "my_preferred_voip_alsa" has to be regenerated quite often - maybe after a couple of months. A diff on before and after reveals minor changes. I am not quite sure why, perhaps as alsa is updated. But this change/failure is silent, so this results in mysterious failures. Now I aware of this, I simple regenerate the file and all is well again. The point of this note is to save others time in diagnosing such alsa problems. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan for Raspberry Pi fried SD CARD.
On Sun, Dec 02, 2018 at 11:41:48AM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > > Recently I have been using a Raspberry Pi 3B, obviously powered with > Devuan, to run as music player. Restarting it yesterday, I was > dismayed to discover it would not boot properly anymore, with long > lists of errors complaining about not being able to write to the SD > CARD. The latter is not full. Examining it I found it is now Just in case you are not aware of this, there is a huge market in fake and substandard SD cards, often with the firmware modified to fraudulently claim a larger capacity than the chips actually present. That said, I don't think that they often fail into a read only mode. The only time that I encountered that problem, the supplier replaced the card. sdtool (https://github.com/BertoldVdb/sdtool) may be useful if you don't know about it. I always check incoming cards with f3 (http://oss.digirati.com.br/f3/) which should detect fraudulent cards. Of course it uses up one write/erase cycle, but that can't be helped. So do you know that you have a genuine card purcahsed from a reliable source? Again, apologies if this is all old news. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Jessie + Huawei USB modems
On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 03:10:15PM +0100, Miroslav Skoric wrote: > > What is needed to install so that Devuan Jessie recognizes Huawei modems: > > - Huawei Mobile Connect - 3G modem (Wintendo sees it as such) > - Huawei USB modem E3372 4G > - Huawei Mobile Wifi router E5573C 4G I used to use a couple of dongle/modems. I used "raw" chat scripts. As I recall, the dongles were recognised and connected by the kernal via /dev/ttyUSBn, with n = 0,1,2,3,... Or maybe the other /dev/??? name for a serial usb device: I forget for the moment. Perhaps I had to load a module explicity, but I don't think so. The horrible Modem Manager sometimes worked and sometimes didn't. I hated it because it was a complex black box that I couldn't easily debug when it failed. It did (does?) have an associated database of network operators and their various connection protocols/passwords. Checking that database might be useful for information in writing chat scripts. Above was on Debian. I imagine that your dongles are more recent: maybe quite different. I wrote some notes on getting a huwai dongle going, but I don't have them to hand just now. I think that most of the information was on line. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OT - LXDE themes and Palemoon widget coloring
On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 01:12:30PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 06:17:59 -0500 > > Try qupzilla. Similar browser, without the baggage. Now Falkon, it seems. But it doesn't support NoScript or an equivalent as far as I can see. I don't think I could live without that. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Web browser needed
On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:20:46PM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Jul 14, 2018 at 10:09:37AM +0100, Simon Hobson wrote: > > Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > > > If the developpers are worried about users wandering into unsafe sites, > > > I would understand a warning, but why the complete blockage ? > > While not directly addressing your problem, it's a symptom of the "nothing > > old exists, all (would be) legacy stuff gets replaced by 3 years old, we > > don't care" approach from several quarters. This might not be relevant, but I have a "legacy" switch/router. It does not have wifi, so there are no free firmwares to use. The problem with connecting securely, as I recall is that the manufacturer had/has several brands, and the certificate had a mismatch there. When I used to use firefox, it allowed me to specify a "security" exception, and then I could connect. Nowadays, I usually use Palemoon (I know that some people here object to the licence conditions, so let's not go there now). That also allows me to declare an exception and connect. This is from memory, and may not be quite right, but perhaps may give a clue. You will want to know how to allow an exception. As I recall that was offered when the security problem is detected. You problem might be different, of course. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Checksum failure on devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso Resolved
On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 10:41:37PM +0100, ael wrote: > You will all love this! I just reported a checksum failure downloading I have just got back to this. Somehow, it seems that the iso file that I downloaded (twice?) was truncated: $ ls -lh devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso* -rw-r--r-- 1 ael ael 1005M Jun 6 23:44 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso -rw-r--r-- 1 ael ael 977M Jul 12 21:37 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.isofail 997M rather than 1005M. As you will gather, I have now successfully downloaded a complete file. I used wget: I have never known that to fail, so I have no idea what happened. Maybe some proxy/cache had a truncated copy which might explain why the same thing happened twice. I noted a kernal bug/message. I have now found how that was triggered: it is reproducable. I usually loop-mount iso images as a check before using them. That is what triggers the dmesg dump: # mount -o loop -t iso9660 /store1/ael/devuan_images/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso /testmnt/ The contents of /testmnt look OK. The bug seems to be around the kernel hung_task_timeout. But you will still like the fact that systemd is involved. But I have to admit that I have seen a kernel timing bug on this Clevo board before (reported to both debian and the proper KML, but with no response). When I have a little more time, I expect to report this problem, maybe to the same bugs. But the main point is that it seems not to be devuan specific. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Checksum failure on devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso
You will all love this! I just reported a checksum failure downloading an devuan iso file. Just before closing for the night, I checked dmesg. And guess what: I was doing this on debian and it looks like a kernel bug (it doesn't say panic) involving systemd-udev!! :- 11238.037689] INFO: task systemd-udevd:346 blocked for more than 120 seconds. [11238.037692] Not tainted 4.16.0-2-amd64 #1 Debian 4.16.16-2 [11238.037693] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. [11238.037695] systemd-udevd D0 346 1 0x0104 [11238.037698] Call Trace: [11238.037710] ? __schedule+0x291/0x870 [11238.037714] schedule+0x28/0x80 [11238.037718] schedule_preempt_disabled+0xa/0x10 [11238.037721] __mutex_lock.isra.1+0x1a0/0x4e0 [11238.037726] ? __blkdev_get+0x78/0x510 [11238.037728] __blkdev_get+0x78/0x510 [11238.037735] ? kmem_cache_alloc_trace+0x107/0x1b0 [11238.037738] blkdev_get+0x12a/0x330 [11238.037741] ? bd_acquire+0xd0/0xd0 [snip] ----- ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Checksum failure on devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso
I just downloaded devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso from https://devuan.smallinnovations.nl/?dir=devuan_ascii/desktop-live and the sha256sum failed. I have not had such a failure before, and I think I downloaded twice, but will try again from another mirror tomorrow - it's late. $ sha256sum -c SHA256SUMS devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso: OK devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso: FAILED The failed cksum is $ sha256sum devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso 9b366bb16c83a3dc16a8a09a104a6218899dec674e20033ccf93e83ebe6c5966 devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso I am however doing this on a *very* new ssd, but a corrupt fs problem doesn't seem likely. I will check more thoroughly tomorrow, but meanwhile I thought it worth mentioning here. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] NFS failure New ascii to upgraded ascii.
On Thu, Jul 05, 2018 at 08:08:59PM +1000, terryc wrote: > FWIW, the migration borked the static networking and shoved it over to > dhcp. That's horrible :-) ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] noisy computer
On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 02:15:32PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 2 Jul 2018 11:54:11 -0400 > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 02, 2018 at 10:01:26AM +0200, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: > > > > In earlier days this was the "click of death". Maybe it would be a If you have speakers active, check that it isn't coming through the sound system. I have had that in the past with a system process polling every second or so. Not sure why it hit the sound: at first I thought it was a poor soundcard letting system noise on the power rails through. But it went away after a software upgrade, so that couldn't have been the explanation. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] When 128?
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 09:37:26AM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > It is time for true excellence again. It was on offer for several years, but too few understood: the transputer family. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] I hope one *can* use a CDROM?
On Thu, Apr 05, 2018 at 03:40:55AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Apr 04, 2018 at 08:06:10PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > I hope fixing this doesn't disable the CDROM and that ascii or jessie > > will still install from a CDROM when you *have* a CDROM. > > > On the other hand, I for one haven't owned a machine equipped with a CD > drive in like a decade (and DVD or BD: never), although I do have a few > drives in the junk pile, briefly attached one last year to help a relative > to sort through old stuff. CD/DVD/BD drives are hardware that's already > rare and will become unheard of very shortly. > > > My machine's USB has died. > > Unless your machine is a laptop, in which case you already have a keyboard > and a bad pointing device, but have no way to attach a CD drive even if you > wanted. Sorry, but some current and next generation laptops still have CD/DVD/BD drives. You do seem to have a very narrow view of the diversity of hardware currently being manufactured and sold. I am typing this on a Clevo laptop purchased (without operating system, so linux friendly) within the last couple of years. This and the current revision has the usual CD/DVD drive. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:19:02AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 14:11:53 + > ael <adrian.lawre...@physics.oxon.org> wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:24:26PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > > > They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering > > > iron and cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺ > > > > As someone with a fair amount of experience of soldering, I must say > > that you have been lucky with exceptonal thermal isolation in the > > motherboard. Most multilayer boards need a bit more than > > just a fine tipped iron. I would expect to need at least a hot air > > "hotplate" > > > and a beefy temperature controlled soldering iron. > > U mean like this? https://tinyurl.com/y9ka2k4m That would probably do for the soldering iron aspect, although they are rather expensive. There are perfectly adequate cheaper options, especially if they are only for occasional use. However, this is really missing the point. You have to raise the temperature to above the solder melting point (obviously), and to do that you need to supply enough thermal energy. Doing that via conduction along the leads of a capacitor can be difficult, requiring excellent thermal contact between the soldering iron & the lead. More importantly, you have to overcome the thermal conductivity of the multilayer board conducting the the heat away. Having designed multilayer boards, one of the challenges is to provide thermal isolation pads around the through-board holes for leaded components to make rework of this sort possible. Not easy. As a rule you also need to heat the area around the target with something like a hot air unit in addition to the solder iron to have a decent chance. I suspect that most modern designs don't cater for rework, so it is even harder to remove components without destroying the board. Of course, surface mount is easier and much more common nowadays, so some of this is historical. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Used *and* free hardware
On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 05:24:26PM +1300, Daniel Reurich wrote: > They're all thru-hole and can be done with a fine tipped soldering iron and > cheap plunger type solder sucker..☺ As someone with a fair amount of experience of soldering, I must say that you have been lucky with exceptonal thermal isolation in the motherboard. Most multilayer boards need a bit more than just a fine tipped iron. I would expect to need at least a hot air "hotplate" and a beefy temperature controlled soldering iron. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Touch pad under ASCII misbehaves.
On Sun, Mar 04, 2018 at 05:50:00PM +0100, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Dear Devuan Developers, > > I am running ASCII with XFCE from the repositories. The touchpad is > swapping the emulated left and right mouse clicks. By 'emulated' I > mean not the actual buttons, but when the right edge is tapped, a > right mouse click should be generated. Tapping the other remaining Not a developer, but if it is a synaptics, then man synaptics and man synclient should help. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Text editor ?
On Sun, Dec 10, 2017 at 07:09:27PM -0300, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Is there in Devuan a text editor that will do find/replace on a regexp ? Almost every non trivial editor will do that: my favorite is vim. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] noatime by default
On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 03:25:03PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > > >Little. AFAIK this used to be a more serious concern on the first > > > > generation of SSDs, because they suffered strongly from write-wear and > JFFS2 and the other filesystems, mentionned in this link are for raw > flash memory, not for the flash-based disk drives (aka SSD) which come with > a SATA interface and emulate a rotating disk. You cannot put a JFFS2 > filesystem on an SSD. > > The last implement wear levelling etc in the firmware, so that they can > be used with the same filesystems you use on a traditionnal disk. But, as > was said, it is better if the filesystem is aware of the storage being on > flash. I am surprised that f2fs has not been mentioned in this thread. I use it on several usb flash drives, and am expecting to use it on my next SSD. ael ` ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1
On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 01:27:33PM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 13:24:36 +0200 > Alessandro Selli <alessandrose...@linux.com> wrote: > > > On Wed, 16 Aug 2017 at 11:56:46 +0100 > > ael <adrian.lawre...@physics.oxon.org> wrote: > > > > [...] > > > > > Devuan needs to avoid importing this problem. > > > > It also needs to avoid been labelled as an unsafe distro, one of the few¹ > > to still support unsecure protocols. After all, TLS v. 2.0 is from 1995, > > quite a long time ago. > > Sorry, that's SSL v 2. TLS v. 1.2 is dated 2008. Not very long tome ago. > I'd favour disabling it by default, only to be enabled if esplicitly > configured to do so. I am happy with that. Just as long as one can enable it when *necessary*. What is unacceptable is for Devuan to take away the freedom to read email or prevent communication with devices which cannot be updated. It may be that the Debian maintainer will see sense, and correct the mistake, but if not Devuan will need to provide a modified (perhaps I mean an unmodified) package. Unfortunately that involves extra work, although I think it is only a minor change. I haven't checked, but if by an chance upstream provides their own dpkg, that would be the obvious option. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] openssl/libssl1 in Debian has disabled TLS 1.0 & 1.1
The Debian maintainer of openssl has unilaterally decided to disable TLS 1.0 and 1.1 with no option to re-enable. This breaks situations where users have no access to or influence on servers which still (unfortunately) use these old protocols. One case is offlineimap and there is a thread on the OLIM mailing list discussing this catastrophic situation. Here is the relevant part of the changelog entry: [ Kurt Roeckx ] * Disable TLS 1.0 and 1.1, leaving 1.2 as the only supported SSL/TLS version. This will likely break things, but the hope is that by the release of Buster everything will speak at least TLS 1.2. This will be reconsidered before the Buster release. -- Kurt Roeckx <k...@roeckx.be> Mon, 07 Aug 2017 01:08:45 +0200 Devuan needs to avoid importing this problem. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apulse in experimental
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 09:10:31PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 08:51:30PM +0100, ael wrote: > > [cut] > > > > > However, if I use > > cmake -DAPULSEPATH=/usr/local/lib/apulse -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr > > -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release .. > > > > then the apulse libraries are properly "hidden" in /usr/local/lib/apulse. > > > > I didn't seem anything like this in the rules for the Devuan package. > > Did I miss where this is specified? > > > > it is in debian/rules. I thought that I looked there: in the apulse_0.1.9-2.git from the devuan pool. I didn't see the usual source files there, but maybe I am out of date. > > > My problems with mpv and mplayer would be explained if this is an > > oversight in the apulse build. Although it is possible to explicitly > > specify the audio-device as alsa for these programs, the README.md > > file suggests that they should not have tried to use the apulse > > libraries. > > I still have not understood what is your problem with the apulse > package (which you said you have not installed). Apulse is not used > unless you call mpv or mplayer with: OK. Sorry. As I said earlier, I am still on debian testing. I don't recall precisely, but I am sure that I just installed the debian apulse package after someone (you?) posted a note about apulse on this list. It worked find with firefox, but a day or two later I found the problem with mpv and mplayer. > $ apulse mpv As I said, I did *not* use $ apulse mpv, just $ mpv. > If your programs experiences problems with pulseaudio, and you have > not sued the syntax above, the problem is either in your program or in > pulseadio. It was the apulse libraries being dynamically linked by default. > > Where does the devuan apulse package install > > libpulsecommon-5.0.so,libpulse-simple.so,libpulse-simple.so.0,libpulse.sio > > and libpulse.so.0? > > well, you can find out yourself: > > katolaz@akela:~$ dpkg -L apulse If I had that package installed :-) > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/apulse > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/apulse/libpulse-simple.so.0 > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/apulse/libpulse.so.0 > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/apulse/libpulsecommon-5.0.so > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/apulse/libpulse-simple.so > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/apulse/libpulse.so That looks right. I have done further testing here and mpv does not pick up the apulse libraries by default in a situation like that. Maybe the original debian package that I tried was misconfigured. Anyway Devuan clearly has it right, as usual. Sorry for the noise. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apulse in experimental
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:28:34AM +1000, Royal Ozma of Oz wrote: > I think that there is a workaround for mplayer to force it to use ALSA: > > It can be made by adding the file "~/.mplayer/config" with these lines: I have done a little more investigation. First in the apulse source there is a README file which discusses some of these issues. Second, I have found that all of mpv, mplayer, vlc and xine have options to set the audio device to alsa, and they all work with apulse installed. Those are the only media players that I checked, but probably many others are similar. ekiga also works with apulse installed. I compiled from source for these checks: I haven't yet looked at the package, but I guess the build prefix setting may be important. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apulse in experimental
On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 09:28:34AM +1000, Royal Ozma of Oz wrote: > I think that there is a workaround for mplayer to force it to use ALSA: > > It can be made by adding the file "~/.mplayer/config" with these lines: > > # Write your default config options here! > ao="alsa" > softvol="true" > volume="15" > > >deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main > > Good, but has anything been done to make it compatible with mpv, > > mplayer (etc)? They seem to dynamically link to libpulse-simple.so > > which results in a disasterous degradation in performance rendering them > > pretty much useless. I really should have checked that, but the man pages for mplayer & mpv are so long, I fear that I have never managed to get through everything :-) It looks as if mpv has similar options. Thanks for finding this. But I do wonder whether there are other programs that will seek some pulseaudio libary before alsa without such overrides, in which case there might be problems. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apulse in experimental
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 01:08:19PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:44:32PM +0100, ael wrote: > > > This was on a system with no pulseaudio, only alsa. Maybe putting apulse > > in its own folder will fix things. > > > > My little understanding is that if a program is compiled with > pulseaudio support it will first check whether the pulseaudio server > is available, and if PA is not it should revert to alsa (if > possible). The problem is that many utilities have started supporting > only pulseaudio, despite ALSA is still around. > > This is where apulse comes in the scene: if a program requires > pulseaudio, apulse will lure it into believing that pulseaudio is > available, but behind the scenes it will use ALSA instead. This is > more than enough for, e.g., skype or firefox, but might not work if > the program uses more "advanced" PA functions, but here my scarce > knowledge of apulse comes to an end. I had speculated that something like that might be happening. But if apulse gets linked even when a program is not started with the apulse "wrapper", then we have a problem so long as it only provides partial/inadequate support. Perhaps mpv and mplayer and so on might be compiled with only alsa support on Devuan, but that would only be a short term fix. Lack of time and worry about not having a functional mpv (and other programs) is the main reason that I have not converted to devuan on existing machines. It will definitely be on new boxes... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apulse in experimental
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:54:46AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 11:40:51AM +0100, ael wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 01:22:52AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main > > > > Good, but has anything been done to make it compatible with mpv, > > mplayer (etc)? They seem to dynamically link to libpulse-simple.so > > which results in a disasterous degradation in performance rendering them > > pretty much useless. > > > > I am not sure how or why these programs are selecting libpulse-simple.so > > . > > > > As of now, installing apulse breaks these programs. > > > Hi ael, > > have you tried the package mentioned above? This version of apulse > installs everything in its own folder, and will not shadow > libpulse-stuff if it is installed already. In order to actually use > apulse you need to wrap your program with "apulse > ". Unhappily, I am still using debian, and my testing was done on unstable. Obviously I did not invoke mpv (etc) with "apulse mpv", so I was disturbed with it linking to libpulse-simple.so nevertheless. This was on a system with no pulseaudio, only alsa. Maybe putting apulse in its own folder will fix things. Not sure whether I can try to install that package on debian, but if not I imagine that I should be able to re-compile from source for a debian test. Hope to be running devuan real soon now ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] apulse in experimental
On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 01:22:52AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > Dear Devuaners, > > just to let you know that a .deb package for apulse is now available > in experimental (except for armel: I am working on that). Just add the > repo: > > deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main Good, but has anything been done to make it compatible with mpv, mplayer (etc)? They seem to dynamically link to libpulse-simple.so which results in a disasterous degradation in performance rendering them pretty much useless. I am not sure how or why these programs are selecting libpulse-simple.so . As of now, installing apulse breaks these programs. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] The apulse FF solution - but problems with mpv & mplayer
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 10:52:54AM -0500, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > Steve Pusser has come through once again!! > > See: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=639579#p639579 > > "Adding apulse 0.1.9. This will fool Firefox 52 that you have pulseaudio > installed when you only have ALSA sound." I just installed apulse (on a debian testing for now). Compiled from source. It worked fine with FF. However mpv and mplayer both misbehaved. Examining ldd, it showed that mpv, at least, was using /usr/local/lib/libpulse-simple.so.0 for some reason. Obviously I did *not* start mpv with apulse. So I had to remove apulse for now. I assume the same will happen on devuan, so be warned. Or maybe that was an artefact of the way I installed the libraries on /usr/local, but I doubt it. I guess the package needs a tweak to fix such problems. Or maybe it happens because debian is trying to default to pulseadio? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] New documentation on the Surf browser
On Fri, Mar 10, 2017 at 01:00:15PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 10 Mar 2017 17:36:34 +0100 > > > > No discussion intended, but you might want to have another look at > > free and libre OpenStreetMap: https://osm.org/ > > > > Runs like a charm in /every/ not-textonly browser and is, at least for > > most of my use cases, superior in many, many details. > > I think OpenStreetMap is a European Thang. Here in the US, it can't > match addresses to locations. It also has no way of custom-changing a > route, which IIRC is the only thing that Google Maps couldn't do in > Surf. And, as expected, it has neither Street View, Satellite View, nor > store locations. Well, it may have started in the UK, but it is now very international. It mainly depends on local people maintaining their areas, and there is a very active contingent in the USA. But there are areas which are not well mapped, and it sounds as if you have sampled one such. OSM is very often far superior to Google maps with much more detail, up to date, and better accuracy. But the coverage is uneven. OSM is very much open in the same sense as devuan, so what about improving your area if it is not so well mapped? I hope this is not getting too far off topic. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] FF pulseaudio hard dependency is here
> > > > According to this post on FDN - > > > > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=638632#p638632 - the hard > > > > pulseaudio requirement has now been implemented: > > > > > > > > "From Firefox 52 onwards, pulseaudio is a hard requirement for sound > > > > on linux. Alsa is unsupported and alsa code will be removed in Firefox > > > > 54." (from - https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c ... 47056#c178 ) So far no one has mentioned Palemoon: do we know if they are continuing to support alsa? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Bluetooth
The Arch wike says that bluez% dropped direct integration for Alsa and supports PulseAudio. I see that the current debian bluesz package Suggests: pulseaudio-module-bluetooth. What is the situation with bluetooth in devuan? In passing, I am also unclear about the support for GSM modem-dongles. I am sure that my old chat scripts will work under devuan, but they are pretty specific to particular models and networks. Networkmanager (sorry) has a database of modems and networks so is more general. Is there anything similar, cli or not, in devuan? ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Life After Firefox 56
On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:36:24AM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 24/02/2017 03:31, Rick Moen a écrit : > > , but Pale Moon looks pretty interesting: anybodyhere use it? > > My conclusion is that the software is satisfactory but the maintainance > isn't, not knowing if the problem is > upstream or only with the maintainer of the repository I use. > > > Do you trust them to keep up with security updates? It seems to OK on debian testing: $ dpkg -s palemoon Package: palemoon Status: install ok installed Priority: optional Section: web Installed-Size: 99160 Maintainer: Steven Pusser <ste...@mxlinux.org> Bugs: mailto: <maintai...@mepiscommunity.org> Architecture: amd64 Version: 27.1.1~repack-1 ... Pale Moon requires a processor that supports the SSE2 instruction set. ... From /var/log/dpkg: 2017-02-23 11:36:11 status installed palemoon:amd64 27.1.1~repack-1 so last updated yesterday. It is working on both amd64 & i386. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Wordiness of code.
On Sat, Aug 06, 2016 at 11:20:30AM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > > NAK. I wouldn't count a language that uses whitepaces as > language constructsanything near 'readable'. FWIW, -1. I have exactly the opposite experience and thus view. I don't see the point of dogmatic statements without the underlying reasoning. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Tochpad scrolling on devuan
On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 10:13:32AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > There *is* such a daemon. I tried it for a little while and didn't like > it. That's why I don't remember the daemon's name. It is /usr/bin/syndaemon and is part of xserver-xorg-input-synaptics in debian, at least. ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
