Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 02 Apr 2019 13:38:32 +0200, Martin wrote in message 
<2435606.oUQQ83ams4@merkaba>:

> Adrian Zaugg - 01.04.19, 22:10:
> > I'd definitively preferred:
> > 
> > Devuan embraces Systemd!
> > After thorough discussions in our technical committee Devuan decided
> > to ship systemd with its next release "Beowulf" as the standard
> > init. Systemd is a complete pot of terware that will enhance Devuan
> > to an industry approved, enterprise grade blackbox system, that
> > demands highest trust in its developers. Ubiquitous access for any
> > user, no more security concerns combined with highest computing
> > power needs for any system will be the remarkable achievement of
> > this wise decision. Init freedom salutes you, veterans.  
> 
> +1
> 
> :)

..hush. ;o)

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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-02 Thread Martin Steigerwald
Adrian Zaugg - 01.04.19, 22:10:
> I'd definitively preferred:
> 
> Devuan embraces Systemd!
> After thorough discussions in our technical committee Devuan decided
> to ship systemd with its next release "Beowulf" as the standard init.
> Systemd is a complete pot of terware that will enhance Devuan to an
> industry approved, enterprise grade blackbox system, that demands
> highest trust in its developers. Ubiquitous access for any user, no
> more security concerns combined with highest computing power needs
> for any system will be the remarkable achievement of this wise
> decision. Init freedom salutes you, veterans.

+1

:)

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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-02 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 09:32:51 +0300, Lars wrote in message 
<720e36b0-096f-879a-6a9f-ca0c2aa84...@gmail.com>:

> On 4/2/19 12:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> >   
> >> Dear D1rs,
> >>
> >> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers"
> >> that compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and
> >> we concluded that you all are:
> >>
> >>* APRIL FOOLS *  
> > 
> > It was well done, IMO.  I'm impressed as heck (and nostaligic) that
> > you created a fully populated Gopher presence.  
> [snip]
> 
> Indeed.  I was worried quite a bit until nudged to look at the epoch
> dates.
> 
> +1 for fitting gopher into the joke.  Gopher is quite underrated.
> With OpenPGP-signed files, the lack of encryption is less of a
> problem, at least for public information.  Maybe next year the gopher
> site could be done as an Onion service and thus wrap the gopher in an
> encrypted protocol.  Though that may raise the bar for participation
> a bit too much.


..meanwhile: 'grep proxy /etc/lynx/lynx.cfg ' 
for ideas on where try your own
--proxy-server="socks://127.0.0.1:9050" 
on http://check.torproject.org/ and gopher sites.


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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-02 Thread Lars Noodén via Dng
On 4/2/19 12:26 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):
> 
>> Dear D1rs,
>>
>> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
>> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
>> concluded that you all are:
>>
>>* APRIL FOOLS *
> 
> It was well done, IMO.  I'm impressed as heck (and nostaligic) that you
> created a fully populated Gopher presence.
[snip]

Indeed.  I was worried quite a bit until nudged to look at the epoch
dates.

+1 for fitting gopher into the joke.  Gopher is quite underrated.  With
OpenPGP-signed files, the lack of encryption is less of a problem, at
least for public information.  Maybe next year the gopher site could be
done as an Onion service and thus wrap the gopher in an encrypted
protocol.  Though that may raise the bar for participation a bit too much.

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[DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Edward Bartolo via Dng
On 01/04/2019, info at smallinnovations dot nl  wrote:
> On 01-04-19 09:03, KatolaZ wrote:
>> Dear D1rs,
>>
>> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
>> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
>> concluded that you all are:
>>
>>* APRIL FOOLS *
>>
>> :P
>>
>> Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably
>> going to stay. Everything will be back to "normal" on:
>>
>>* Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:19 PM UTC *
>>
>> if you are wondering, unfortunately 1554123859 is not a prime number :\
>>
>>
>> See you at the 1st Devuan Conference on 5,6,7 April 2019. For more info:
>>
>>   gopher://www.devuan.org/0/os/debian-fork/d1conf-announce-20190119.txt
>>
>> Never forget to Live, Love, Linux, and have a good Laugh!
>>
>> LLoLL
>>
>
> I do not mind being a fool but i expected the Dev1 team to be wiser then
> joking about security. Another such joke and you have a mirror site less
> in the future.
>
> Grtz.
>
> Nick
>

Yes, hit them where it hurts. This is a 'joke' from some self inflated
egos who think playing with 'customers' trust is a joke! How shall
such naivity be described? Is it a sign of great intellectual ability?

From someone who holds a PhD, users expect better.
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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Christoph Schneeberger

On 4/1/19 09:03, KatolaZ wrote:

we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
concluded that you all are:

* APRIL FOOLS *

:P

Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably
going to stay. Everything will be back to "normal" on:

* Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:19 PM UTC *


Well, it's good you guys run a great Debian derivative distro and not 
some late night comedy show (cause you suck terribly at good jokes and 
entertaining humor).


Check some of the April Fools RFCs for some inspiration what makes up 
actually *good* April Fool jokes (i.e. 2549, 1149 etc.).


Cheers,
Christoph










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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Adrian Zaugg

I'd definitively preferred:

Devuan embraces Systemd!
After thorough discussions in our technical committee Devuan decided to
ship systemd with its next release "Beowulf" as the standard init.
Systemd is a complete pot of terware that will enhance Devuan to an
industry approved, enterprise grade blackbox system, that demands
highest trust in its developers. Ubiquitous access for any user, no more
security concerns combined with highest computing power needs for any
system will be the remarkable achievement of this wise decision. Init
freedom salutes you, veterans.

Cheers, Adrian.

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[DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Michael Stroucken via Dng
I like Devuan. I am proud to financially contribute to a project so
desperately needed in our time. But I would like to join others in
registering that this "joke" was in poor taste.

I don't know if it was one individual with Devuan who found it so
hilarious and single-handedly "defaced" the web site, and then added to
the uncertainty with the supposed investigation. I really hope it wasn't
a group effort. In any case, you may benefit from reconsidering the
policy on who gets to put what on the web page.

Leave the stupid jokes for the school playground. Do consider how you
would like it if the pilot of your next flight made an announcement that
they mixed up the kerosine with the salad oil, and they're investigating
the extent of the problem.

Greetings,
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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting KatolaZ (kato...@freaknet.org):

> Dear D1rs,
> 
> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
> concluded that you all are:
> 
>* APRIL FOOLS *

It was well done, IMO.  I'm impressed as heck (and nostaligic) that you
created a fully populated Gopher presence.

I was too busy (with visiting houseguests) to go install a Gopher client
and check -- and forgot that lynx still has native support.  For those
interested in doing so, here are options:

o  Lynx

o  KatolaZ's gophed (wow - a gopher client written in sh, ed, awk, cut,
   sed, and nc:  I doff my hat to you, sir!)
   https://mygit.mine.nu/katolaz/gophed

o  SeaMonkey with OverbiteFF extension

o  Firefox with OverbiteWX extension (which in WebExtensions) or OverbiteNX

o  Konqueror with kio-gopher

o  gopherclient (graphical),
   https://github.com/prologic/gopherclient

o  VF-1 (command-line tool in Python), https://github.com/solderpunk/VF-1

o  Gopherus (console, in C), http://gopherus.sourceforge.net/

o  Little Gopher Client (console, in Pascal),
   http://runtimeterror.com/tools/gopher/

o  Internet Gopher Client (console, in C),
   http://freshmeat.sourceforge.net/projects/gopher/
   (This appears to be a maintained descendent of the original
   University of Minnesota gopher client, that was just called
   'gopher' and is in the Debian collection here:
   https://packages.debian.org/source/jessie/gopher.)

o  Goldy (command-line tools, in C),
   https://github.com/TrilbyWhite/goldy-gopher

o  cgo (console, in C), https://github.com/kieselsteini/cgo/

o  cacc (console, in C), https://git.fifth.space/sacc/


Why you should learn to love gopherspace:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpd8ecH8uos

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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Arnt Karlsen (a...@iaksess.no):

> > disagree.
> > security can be joked about too:  https://xkcd.com/538/

With a $5 wrench, silly (or spanner, depending on your geography).

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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Andrew McGlashan
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Hi,

On 2/4/19 4:13 am, Dimitris via Dng wrote:
> On 4/1/19 7:49 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
>> ..this cartoon is used in production how? ;o)
> 
> snowden told us how.
> 
> dev1 joke affected production devuan systems how?

There is just so much wrong about this.

April Fools is fine in jest, but this prank, about a serious
alternative to Debian.  It may have caused heart attacks, it may have
stopped systems from getting valid updates, it may have done all sorts
of things.

I never went to the website; reading the mailing list only "about the
problems", any sane person shouldn't go to a website that is
potentially laden with malware.  For Android users, if you don't have
the February 2019 updates, you can get owned with just a PNG file.

So, this is very serious stuff.  Keep the humour to things much less
critical.

If you relied on Devuan for all your machines and the problem really
did happen; it would be hell.

A good prank would be a blog post that doesn't question the real
security of the project.  Once you question the security of the
project, you can then have lingering doubts .. that's not good for
anyone here.

There are times and places for great fun.  This was a terrible idea
and it has to lessen trust to at least some extent as well as posing a
serious health risk for administrators who care about security, a lot.

And the xkcd comic hsa nothing on this scare.

Kind Regards
AndrewM
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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 4/1/19 7:49 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> ..this cartoon is used in production how? ;o)

snowden told us how.

dev1 joke affected production devuan systems how?

d.



=== JOKE BELOW - PROCEED WITH CAUTION ===

i can also confirm that dev1 systems i run, weren't affected by the joke
bug, but just to be sure, scratched 'em alltogether and switched to M$
win10, that doesn't joke at all and is really cerious & corporately
correct..

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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 19:23:49 +0300, Dimitris wrote in message 
<5604fee1-d2c8-e254-59f1-2bde73640...@stinpriza.org>:

> On 4/1/19 7:04 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> > be wiser then
> > joking about security  
> 
> disagree.
> security can be joked about too:  https://xkcd.com/538/

..this cartoon is used in production how? ;o)

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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Dimitris via Dng
On 4/1/19 7:04 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote:
> be wiser then
> joking about security

disagree.
security can be joked about too:  https://xkcd.com/538/



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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 01-04-19 09:03, KatolaZ wrote:
> Dear D1rs,
>
> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
> concluded that you all are:
>
>* APRIL FOOLS *
>
> :P
>
> Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably
> going to stay. Everything will be back to "normal" on:
>
>* Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:19 PM UTC *
>
> if you are wondering, unfortunately 1554123859 is not a prime number :\
>
>
> See you at the 1st Devuan Conference on 5,6,7 April 2019. For more info:
>
>   gopher://www.devuan.org/0/os/debian-fork/d1conf-announce-20190119.txt
>
> Never forget to Live, Love, Linux, and have a good Laugh!
>
> LLoLL
>

I do not mind being a fool but i expected the Dev1 team to be wiser then
joking about security. Another such joke and you have a mirror site less
in the future.

Grtz.

Nick




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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread mett
On 2019年4月1日 22:01:56 JST, lilo via Dng  wrote:
>Il 01/04/19 09:03, KatolaZ ha scritto:
>> Dear D1rs,
>> 
>> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers"
>that
>> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
>> concluded that you all are:
>> 
>>* APRIL FOOLS *
>> 
>> :P
>
><3
>
>i saw soon yestarday but lurking and a lot of lol reading here. Ops!
>
>:*
>
>and
>
>THE WEB SUCKS -- JAVASCRIPT SUCKS -- BROWSERS SUCK
>
>WE ARE GREEN HAT HACKERS: WE CAME, WE SAW, WE KICKED YOUR ASS
>
>*** KISS PORT 80 GOODBYE -- JOIN THE REVOLUTION ON PORT 70 ***
>
>\0/ yahyyy for ever and ever.
>
>
>
>--lilo;
>
>
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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread lilo via Dng
Il 01/04/19 09:03, KatolaZ ha scritto:
> Dear D1rs,
> 
> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
> concluded that you all are:
> 
>* APRIL FOOLS *
> 
> :P

<3

i saw soon yestarday but lurking and a lot of lol reading here. Ops!

:*

and

THE WEB SUCKS -- JAVASCRIPT SUCKS -- BROWSERS SUCK

WE ARE GREEN HAT HACKERS: WE CAME, WE SAW, WE KICKED YOUR ASS

*** KISS PORT 80 GOODBYE -- JOIN THE REVOLUTION ON PORT 70 ***

\0/ yahyyy for ever and ever.



--lilo;


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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:03:56 +0200, KatolaZ wrote in message 
<20190401070356.6jbd7eiovhr7m...@katolaz.homeunix.net>:

> Dear D1rs,
> 
> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
> concluded that you all are:
> 
>* APRIL FOOLS *
> 
> :P

..some things warrant a little more wisdom than what you demonstrated
here, e.g. Holocaust, war crimes, public safety, and privacy in less
than democratic places, and computer security is a serious matter for
e.g. whistle blowers, and we are not quite where we need to be on this.


> Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably
> going to stay. Everything will be back to "normal" on:
> 
>* Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:19 PM UTC *
> 
> if you are wondering, unfortunately 1554123859 is not a prime
> number :\
> 
> 
> See you at the 1st Devuan Conference on 5,6,7 April 2019. For more
> info:
> 
>   gopher://www.devuan.org/0/os/debian-fork/d1conf-announce-20190119.txt


..
> Once again, the Veteran Unix Admins salute you, and now invite you
> to celebrate community development and software freedom at the first
> Devuan Conference this coming spring!
> 
> Devuan Conference #1: “THE POWER OF CHOICE”
> 
> Starting: Friday, April 5th 2019, 13:00 CEST
> Ending:   Sunday, April 7th 2019, 16:00 CEST
> 
> Location:
> 
> Amsterdam Houthavens
> Haparandadam 7, 1013AK
> The Netherlands
> Latitude: 52.396795 | Longitude: 4.880298
> 
> 
> Presentations
>   - PID1: Welcome and Introductions
>   - The Importance of Minimalism and Modularity
>   - CI Galore: the Devuan SDK and the Docker Toaster
>   - Make Your Own Distro
>   - Competing with Giants: How to Sell Devuan to Your Company
>   - Maemo-Leste Mobile Phone OS on N900
>   - DECODE OS for P2P Micro-Services over Tor
>   - Dowse: the Rod for Local Area Network Awareness
>   - Running a Devuan data center
>   - Demystifying init
>   - … More to be announced
> 
> Hacking sessions
>   - Installing Devuan-live
>   - Devuan with s6/s6-rc
>   - Disk Encryption
>   - … Suggestions welcome


..suggest a safe newbie-proof Tor and firewall default setup, under 
the label "If you don't know what Tor or firewall is, or how to set
these up safely, click here to use our safe newbie-proof Tor and
firewall default setup." on our installers etc, e.g. with shorewall.

..conceptually, shorewall is about as easy to learn and understand 
as the good old http://ipcop.sourceforge.net/ : ...
https://www.wikihow.com/Configure-IPCop-as-a-Firewall

...and far more powerful, and remains alive and under 
active development at: http://www.shorewall.net/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shorewall
http://www.shorewall.net/Introduction.html
http://www.shorewall.net/shorewall_features.htm

..at a minimum, we want: http://www.shorewall.net/Laptop.html 
and _never_ the http://www.shorewall.net/FoolsFirewall.html .


> For those unable to attend, the event will be live-streamed,
> recorded, and available online.

..link?







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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Irrwahn
KatolaZ wrote on 01.04.19 09:03:
> Dear D1rs,
> 
> we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
> compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
> concluded that you all are:
> 
>* APRIL FOOLS *
> 
> :P

D'oh!

A prank well executed from a purely technical POV, kudos for that. However 
IMO in quite bad taste given anything even remotely security related when 
talking OS distributions is quite a touchy subject. 

At the very least you had me with my finger already on the kill switch for 
one of the packet mirrors, for a short while. Not sure it was worth it.

> Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably
> going to stay. 

Now, this is the one part of the joke I can wholeheartedly appreciate. ;-)

[...]> if you are wondering, unfortunately 1554123859 is not a prime number :\

MFW I was literally only a few keystrokes away of actually checking. -.-

[...]
> Never forget to Live, Love, Linux, and have a good Laugh!
> 
> LLoLL

Evil me let off a diabolical chuckle, does that count?  }:->

Reasonable me, however, would like to kindly suggest you a choose less 
sinister scenario for potential future jokes on that scale. And please 
keep in mind that April fools jokes are popular only in some parts of 
so-called western culture, and not a concept readily recognized or 
accepted globally.

So yeah, please have a good laugh at your fellow Devuaners expense every 
once in a while, by all means. We all need to vent every now and then, 
especially those who work tirelessly to keep things rolling. Just be 
aware that this particular kind of joke might eventually backfire in 
unexpected ways.

Just my two nano-cents.

Cheers,
Urban
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Re: [DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread Don Wright
KatolaZ wrote:
>   * APRIL FOOLS *


Not funny. Came here to get away from the crap. Going back to Debian, or
maybe IBM Red Hat.

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[DNG] Update on the Green Hat Hackers attack

2019-04-01 Thread KatolaZ
Dear D1rs,

we have analysed in depth the attack from the "Green Hat Hackers" that
compromised the Devuan infrastructure in the last hours, and we
concluded that you all are:

   * APRIL FOOLS *

:P

Hope you enjoyed the new Devuan gopherholes, as they are most probably
going to stay. Everything will be back to "normal" on:

   * Mon 01 Apr 2019 01:04:19 PM UTC *

if you are wondering, unfortunately 1554123859 is not a prime number :\


See you at the 1st Devuan Conference on 5,6,7 April 2019. For more info:

  gopher://www.devuan.org/0/os/debian-fork/d1conf-announce-20190119.txt

Never forget to Live, Love, Linux, and have a good Laugh!

LLoLL

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