[DNG] A Devuan install CD.

2015-11-06 Thread Scienceof Atomics

A quick thought.

Would it be possible and/or desirable for the end result of the dev1fanboy  
process to be captured as an image and used to create a short Devuan  
Install CD (not DVD)?


This probably belongs on the Devuan website, but I've been following this  
mailing list because of mutual interest.

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Re: [DNG] A Devuan install CD

2015-11-07 Thread aitor_czr
What are you referring to exactly? The tutorial of dev1fanboy explains 
how to upgrade from debian whezzy to devuan jessie, and the resulting 
system will depend on the original system.


There aresome livecds of devuan available, neigther of the being hosted 
in the website of devuan, since they are not official images. But i can 
build **exact**replicas** of Devuan in i586, i686-pae and amd64. I would 
be delighted to do so, if people are interested. The images could be 
uploaded to devuan.org with the approval of VUAs, of course.


Cheers,

   Aitor.

On 11/07/2015 11:23 AM, "Scienceof Atomics"  
wrote:

A quick thought.

Would it be possible and/or desirable for the end result of the dev1fanboy
process to be captured as an image and used to create a short Devuan
Install CD (not DVD)?

This probably belongs on the Devuan website, but I've been following this
mailing list because of mutual interest.


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Re: [DNG] A Devuan install CD.

2015-11-07 Thread dev1fanboy
One way you could do things is to debootstrap the hosts using the 
Devuan Install CD.


It's not for the faint hearted but I'd suggest install once and upgrade 
on each stable release.


To get some tips on what that might involve you can see this 
(unfinished) document:


https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgrade-Install-Devuan/wikis/upgrade-with-wheezy-minimal-install

I was originally going to post this as the install guide (luckily found 
a copy on disk), but since Devuan installer CD is working some of it 
was not relevant to Devuan, others parts were optional. You'll have to 
adapt it and I suggest using it with with care as I planned to test 
this before posting.


 
On Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:44 AM, Scienceof Atomics 
 wrote:

 

A quick thought.

Would it be possible and/or desirable for the end result of the 
dev1fanboy  
process to be captured as an image and used to create a short Devuan 
 

Install CD (not DVD)?

This probably belongs on the Devuan website, but I've been following 
this  

mailing list because of mutual interest.
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Re: [DNG] A Devuan install CD (aitor_czr)

2015-11-07 Thread Scienceof Atomics

aitor_czr wrote:

What are you referring to exactly?


A purely personal goal that I'll describe briefly by way of illustrating  
the spread of end-user interest.


I've just purchased a 13-DVD set of Debian Jessie, and also burnt myself a  
copy of ExeGnuLinux, which combines Debian with the Trinity project,  
aiming to keep alive the KDE 3.5 desktop:


http://exegnulinux.net/

EGL is planning a move to Devuan, which is how I found out about it, but  
is presently in a halfway state. I now have a complete software suite that  
should last indefinitely into the future, given two contingencies:


1. A move from 32-bit to a duplicate 64-bit DVD set when my ancient boxes  
eventually fall over.


2. Occasional kernel upgrades and driver installs to accommodate new  
hardware.


There are many who will view this not merely as conservative, but as a  
case of rigor mortis. The thing is, I'm interested in USING the software  
for creative and productive work, not just endlessly fiddling with  
eye-candy and invisible technological "improvements". Apps that I use  
include:


1. Electronic design: xcircuit, pcb, picprog, spice and others.
2. Music: hydrogen, audacious, audacity, denemo, rosegarden, sox, timidity  
and others.

3. Image: gimp, blender, cinelerra and others.

Along with the usual libre-office, gnumeric, nedit, opera and the rest of  
the daily round, most of these represent a large investment in time and  
effort in order to achieve productive competence. The VERY LAST thing I  
need is endless invisible changes to the underlying system that require me  
to run flat out in order to stay in the same place. This is the main  
reason I started with Linux more than a dozen years ago, and why I want it  
to remain manageable by those with moderate technical skills.


The systemd crowd will end up as a cabal of High Priests owned and  
controlled by the TransNational Corporations overseeing an OS consisting  
of a few monster binary blobs that only they have the time and experience  
to comprehend. The Micro$oft/SCO debacle of years past did not mark the  
end of efforts at corporate take-over of Linux, merely a move to a more  
subtle, longer-term agenda.

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Re: [DNG] A Devuan install CD (aitor_czr)

2015-11-08 Thread David Hare

On 07/11/15 22:27, Scienceof Atomics wrote:


I've just purchased a 13-DVD set of Debian Jessie, and also burnt myself
a copy of ExeGnuLinux, which combines Debian with the Trinity project,
aiming to keep alive the KDE 3.5 desktop:

http://exegnulinux.net/

EGL is planning a move to Devuan, which is how I found out about it, but
is presently in a halfway state.


Not a "halfway state". The EGL base system is now built from (devuan-) 
debootstrap.


Repos used are Devuan "merged", TDE and a couple of 3rd party repos, for 
some packages compiled without *systemd* dependency not yet in Devuan.


No *systemd* components are used, not even libsystemd0 (except udev.. 
but there is a version with eudev)


David

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