Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
wirelessduck--- via Dng said on Fri, 13 Aug 2021 20:06:37 +1000 >> On 13 Aug 2021, at 18:28, Steve Litt >> wrote: >> >> terryc said on Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:55:07 +1000 >> >> >>> >>> Setting up? As in reallocating desktops? >>> >>> I'd be more inclined to look at HW/Sw problems when you are adding >>> something like a 4K screen. Is there sufficient ram? >> >> And... >> >> OP, while you're at it, just for fun run a ram test on all the ram. > >Memtest86+ would be a good choice? > >http://www.memtest.org/ Excellent choice. It's what I use. I think it's one of the boot choices on System Rescue CD. > >> And run smartctl on your disks. And lmsensors to read various >> temperatures and fan parameters. > >https://askubuntu.com/a/53782 > >Install lm-sensors package, run `sudo sensors-detect`, and then load >the listed kernel modules or add to /etc/modules and reboot. > >`sensors` will display the data in a terminal, or you can use various >GUI front ends such as psensor or gkrellm. > >> It sound like you have an intermittent problem, and that justifies >> the extra corrective maintenance tests of hardware, even though >> those tests will take some time (run them overnight when you're >> sleeping). > >https://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ > >Running a few tests from Phoronix test suite might be good for >detecting hardware issues? I looked at the Phoronix suite for 1 minute, and it seemed pretty good. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
On Fri, 13 Aug 2021 08:37:00 -0400 Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 08:06:37PM +1000, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > > > > On 13 Aug 2021, at 18:28, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > terryc said on Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:55:07 +1000 > > > > > > > > >> > > >> Setting up? As in reallocating desktops? > > >> > > >> I'd be more inclined to look at HW/Sw problems when you are adding > > >> something like a 4K screen. Is there sufficient ram? > > > > > > And... > > > > > > > OP, while you're at it, just for fun run a ram test on all the ram. > > > > Memtest86+ would be a good choice? > > > > http://www.memtest.org/ > > I've always wondered about memtest: > > It presumably has to be loaded into memory somewhere. > Does it ever manage to test the memory it is loaded into? > Perhaps by moving itself into different memeory to do this? > > My guess is not. > > -- hendrik Hi, the iso is only 1.8 MB in size so eventually 2MB of RAM (or less) will not be tested. Shuffle around the ram sticks and test again to be sure all ram was tested. Ciao, Tito ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
On Fri, Aug 13, 2021 at 08:06:37PM +1000, wirelessduck--- via Dng wrote: > > > > On 13 Aug 2021, at 18:28, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > terryc said on Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:55:07 +1000 > > > > > >> > >> Setting up? As in reallocating desktops? > >> > >> I'd be more inclined to look at HW/Sw problems when you are adding > >> something like a 4K screen. Is there sufficient ram? > > > > And... > > > > OP, while you're at it, just for fun run a ram test on all the ram. > > Memtest86+ would be a good choice? > > http://www.memtest.org/ I've always wondered about memtest: It presumably has to be loaded into memory somewhere. Does it ever manage to test the memory it is loaded into? Perhaps by moving itself into different memeory to do this? My guess is not. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 17:45:47 -0500, o1bigtenor wrote in message : > Greetings > > I am running a fairly old rig on debian testing with 2 gpus ..which gpus, and which drivers? IME, my old gpus runs better with nouveau and radeon. > and want to run 5 monitors. ..that rig should be fun on flightgear(.org). ;o) > The 5th is hdmi connected and is a 4k monitor with the other 4 all > being 1920x1080. > After I installed the 4k monitor I had regular graphics sub-system > freezes (won't come out of suspend typically) with a normal being a > system reboot at least once every 24 hours. ..tried keeping a ssh session going into it? Graphics sub-system freezes shouldn't kill ssh nor networking. > I filed a bug report. Have subsequently unplugged the 4k monitor - - > - - a lot of headache rebooting and setting up the machine at least > 1x per day. > > Recommendation is to download and install even a 5.14 (still in beta) > kernel. > > The newest kernel (changed just yesterday) for debian in debian > experimental is a 5.13.?? version. ..debian tradition before the systemd coup, used to call stable things upstream, "experimental." Todays kernel list: arnt@d44:~$ siste-kernels mainline: 5.14-rc5 2021-08-08 stable: 5.13.10 2021-08-12 stable: 5.12.19 [EOL] 2021-07-20 longterm: 5.10.58 2021-08-12 longterm: 5.4.140 2021-08-12 longterm: 4.19.203 2021-08-12 longterm: 4.14.243 2021-08-08 longterm: 4.9.279 2021-08-08 longterm: 4.4.280 2021-08-10 linux-next: next-20210813 2021-08-13 Other resources Fri Aug 13 12:36:32 CEST 2021 arnt@d44:~$ ..catch your own updated list with e.g.: arnt@d44:~$ alias siste-kernels alias siste-kernels='lynx -dump -width 144 https://www.kernel.org/ \ |grep -A 14 "Latest Release" |tail -n 13 |cut -c -40 ;date ' arnt@d44:~$ > Dunno if I want to try a beta kernel (sorta scared to in fact). ..then make it boring with Devuan's good old Debian way, add your build tree to your /etc/apt/sources.list, and install your .debs from your local build tree with e.g. aptitude. Will even do all the bootloader updating automagically. > Suggestions from y'all? > (Y'all, or at least quite a number of you, have a lot more experience > at this than I do.) ..err, guys, has Devuan's good old Debian way changed in any way the last dozen years? We of course disabled systemd and use a real init, or did we just leave it the way it was, leaving out Debian's nice shiny new barn door? > Please advise. ..pick 5.13.10 and build and install it Devuan's good old Debian way. ..if that kernel fails, chk for 5.13.11 etc, if those fail, your rig might be "too old", so fall back to try 5.10.58 or whatever the next version there is. Etc down the longterm trees. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
> On 13 Aug 2021, at 18:28, Steve Litt wrote: > > terryc said on Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:55:07 +1000 > > >> >> Setting up? As in reallocating desktops? >> >> I'd be more inclined to look at HW/Sw problems when you are adding >> something like a 4K screen. Is there sufficient ram? > > And... > > OP, while you're at it, just for fun run a ram test on all the ram. Memtest86+ would be a good choice? http://www.memtest.org/ > And run smartctl on your disks. And lmsensors to read various > temperatures and fan parameters. https://askubuntu.com/a/53782 Install lm-sensors package, run `sudo sensors-detect`, and then load the listed kernel modules or add to /etc/modules and reboot. `sensors` will display the data in a terminal, or you can use various GUI front ends such as psensor or gkrellm. > It sound like you have an intermittent problem, and that justifies the > extra corrective maintenance tests of hardware, even though those tests > will take some time (run them overnight when you're sleeping). https://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/ Running a few tests from Phoronix test suite might be good for detecting hardware issues? > SteveT -- Tom___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
terryc said on Fri, 13 Aug 2021 13:55:07 +1000 > >Setting up? As in reallocating desktops? > >I'd be more inclined to look at HW/Sw problems when you are adding >something like a 4K screen. Is there sufficient ram? And... OP, while you're at it, just for fun run a ram test on all the ram. And run smartctl on your disks. And lmsensors to read various temperatures and fan parameters. It sound like you have an intermittent problem, and that justifies the extra corrective maintenance tests of hardware, even though those tests will take some time (run them overnight when you're sleeping). SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 17:45:47 -0500 o1bigtenor via Dng wrote: > Greetings > > I am running a fairly old rig on debian testing with 2 gpus and want > to run 5 monitors. > The 5th is hdmi connected and is a 4k monitor with the other 4 all > being 1920x1080. > After I installed the 4k monitor I had regular graphics sub-system > freezes (won't come out of suspend typically) with a normal being a > system reboot at least once every 24 hours. > I filed a bug report. Have subsequently unplugged the 4k monitor - - > - - a lot of headache rebooting and setting up the machine at least > 1x per day. Setting up? As in reallocating desktops? I'd be more inclined to look at HW/Sw problems when you are adding something like a 4K screen. Is there sufficient ram? Are you using the same driver for both GPUs? Under beowulf, I couldn't load both the amdgpu and radeon drivers. Have you tried the other way around by setting up 4K, then add the other monitors one by one? Although they are rare, there are some odd problems affecting different HW combos under Linux. I have a problem where my gpu will not boot with two x 2k monitors on DisplayPort cables. It is actually the amdgpu that stack crashes. > > Recommendation is to download and install even a 5.14 (still in beta) > kernel. > > The newest kernel (changed just yesterday) for debian in debian > experimental is a 5.13.?? version. > > Dunno if I want to try a beta kernel (sorta scared to in fact). IME, the worst that will happen is a entirely black screen; thus ssh in to inspect or big red button to restart and then VERY Fast on boot up to intercept the bios(set max timeout prior) to uninstall, or your grub should give the option to go to a prior boot image. Note, at one stage it accumulated them, but now it only keeps current and previous boot image. > Suggestions from y'all? > (Y'all, or at least quite a number of you, have a lot more experience > at this than I do.) > > Please advise. 2c above. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Advice sought on kernel upgrade
Greetings I am running a fairly old rig on debian testing with 2 gpus and want to run 5 monitors. The 5th is hdmi connected and is a 4k monitor with the other 4 all being 1920x1080. After I installed the 4k monitor I had regular graphics sub-system freezes (won't come out of suspend typically) with a normal being a system reboot at least once every 24 hours. I filed a bug report. Have subsequently unplugged the 4k monitor - - - - a lot of headache rebooting and setting up the machine at least 1x per day. Recommendation is to download and install even a 5.14 (still in beta) kernel. The newest kernel (changed just yesterday) for debian in debian experimental is a 5.13.?? version. Dunno if I want to try a beta kernel (sorta scared to in fact). Suggestions from y'all? (Y'all, or at least quite a number of you, have a lot more experience at this than I do.) Please advise. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
