Re: [DNG] Automating the distro?
Steve Litt: > I wonder if building Devuan can be further automated. Void Linux has > some super-duper software processes to do much of this automatically. > It works right off of a git server (unfortunately, github). If I'm not > mistaken it puts out two updates a day, but of course there's no > automatic updating so the user chooses when to do all the updates up to > current. With very few people, Void Linux manages to keep a very > complete distro with very few screwups, and they fix major security > flaws about as fast as Debian. > > I'm wondering if Devuan could make use of something similar. Perhaps > doing this would free up resources to Devuanize more packages, for less > dependency on Debian. You just have to provide build servers and maintainers, and then copy the way debian does it. > Before you ask, no, I can't help. I'm indexing my new book, Writing takes time, indexing shouldn't, what's wrong here. > I'm making > provisions so programs written in Freepascal, C, and pretty much any > other language, can send a sine wave to the speakers (a capability > requiring way too much programming in Linux). Of course I'll > release it as Free Software. Have a look at: http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dtmfdial/dtmfdial_0.2.orig.tar.gz ... > In the > long run it's probably going to be advantageous for Devuan to move more > toward a distro of its own, before the Debian crowd decide to put in > halloween code to sabotage Devuan. Sure, what programs do you want to maintain ? Can you provide a build server ? Me myself, I could work on . removing bogus debendancies on udev in packages . busybox init . kernels without iiniramfs for traditional desktop computers with ahci sata if. . udev-less systems just don't know the devuan process. Regards, /Karl Hammar ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Automating the distro?
On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 16:16:32 -0500 Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if building Devuan can be further automated. Void Linux has > some super-duper software processes to do much of this automatically. > It works right off of a git server (unfortunately, github). If I'm not > mistaken it puts out two updates a day, but of course there's no > automatic updating so the user chooses when to do all the updates up to > current. With very few people, Void Linux manages to keep a very > complete distro with very few screwups, and they fix major security > flaws about as fast as Debian. > Hi, I fail to see how rebuilding all the stuff twice a day even if there are no changes could be useful: 1) do you want to automate the building of the devuanized packages or of all packages? 2) How does the system know when a series of commits is complete? How do we avoid that half-baked packages are built? > I'm wondering if Devuan could make use of something similar. Perhaps > doing this would free up resources to Devuanize more packages, for less > dependency on Debian. In the beginning it will bind more resources as you need to learn the new workflow, later I think it will not make a great difference because to devuanize more packages you need more developers and there are not many. It is already a miracle that such a small group of devs is able to run this project (just look at the weekly meetings, there are a handful of people at best). If devuanizing more packages will ever be needed this will endanger the future of devuan unless there is a increase in manpower and resources (tech and money). > > Before you ask, no, I can't help. I'm indexing my new book, I'm making > provisions so programs written in Freepascal, C, and pretty much any > other language, can send a sine wave to the speakers (a capability > requiring way too much programming in Linux). Of course I'll > release it as Free Software. That's sad as you have the expertise needed to help. > The Debian "Community" is getting more rotten every day. Just today on > Debian-User, somebody asked a maybe sorta dumb question, and several > people gleefully jumped all over him. One guy (not the OP) thanked > everybody for their diverse solutions, and then criticized the OP, > signing his email "With kindest regards" :-). Another guy managed to > bring the OP's advanced age into it. So it's not just their politicians > with their rigged GRs, it's the very citizenry of Debian itself. In the > long run it's probably going to be advantageous for Devuan to move more > toward a distro of its own, before the Debian crowd decide to put in > halloween code to sabotage Devuan. To be honest the same happens sometimes on the devuan mailing list and forum. This just mirrors today's society: people forgot that collaboration made us climb down the trees and move from Afar region to conquer all corners of the world. They look in their little oled screens and feel powerful swiping left and right with their fingers. I still remember a episode that happened some thirty years ago: a tree fall in Switzerland during a storm on a high voltage wire and the domino effect caused a 2-3 days long blackout in whole Italy. This made me understand that our civilization rests on very shaky ground. Should debian decide to cut the metaphorical tree by adding a dependency to systemd in every package than devuan will be history and at that point trying to build a distro from scratch will be next to impossible, so you need to have a plan B. Ciao, Tito > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Automating the distro?
I would be willing to help with this idea. Who would I contact? I'd need to learn the process so I could help automate it. Rod On 12/7/21 3:16 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I wonder if building Devuan can be further automated. Void Linux has > some super-duper software processes to do much of this automatically. > It works right off of a git server (unfortunately, github). If I'm not > mistaken it puts out two updates a day, but of course there's no > automatic updating so the user chooses when to do all the updates up to > current. With very few people, Void Linux manages to keep a very > complete distro with very few screwups, and they fix major security > flaws about as fast as Debian. > > I'm wondering if Devuan could make use of something similar. Perhaps > doing this would free up resources to Devuanize more packages, for less > dependency on Debian. > > Before you ask, no, I can't help. I'm indexing my new book, I'm making > provisions so programs written in Freepascal, C, and pretty much any > other language, can send a sine wave to the speakers (a capability > requiring way too much programming in Linux). Of course I'll > release it as Free Software. > > The Debian "Community" is getting more rotten every day. Just today on > Debian-User, somebody asked a maybe sorta dumb question, and several > people gleefully jumped all over him. One guy (not the OP) thanked > everybody for their diverse solutions, and then criticized the OP, > signing his email "With kindest regards" :-). Another guy managed to > bring the OP's advanced age into it. So it's not just their politicians > with their rigged GRs, it's the very citizenry of Debian itself. In the > long run it's probably going to be advantageous for Devuan to move more > toward a distro of its own, before the Debian crowd decide to put in > halloween code to sabotage Devuan. > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US https://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ext 100 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Automating the distro?
On 2021-12-07 15:16, Steve Litt wrote: In the long run it's probably going to be advantageous for Devuan to move more toward a distro of its own, before the Debian crowd decide to put in halloween code to sabotage Devuan. SteveT Aren't they doing that already? There are a lot of folks hanging around Devuan who have ideas about what Devuan should/could do and way too few to actually do any work. It is really, REALLY annoying . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Automating the distro?
Hi all, I wonder if building Devuan can be further automated. Void Linux has some super-duper software processes to do much of this automatically. It works right off of a git server (unfortunately, github). If I'm not mistaken it puts out two updates a day, but of course there's no automatic updating so the user chooses when to do all the updates up to current. With very few people, Void Linux manages to keep a very complete distro with very few screwups, and they fix major security flaws about as fast as Debian. I'm wondering if Devuan could make use of something similar. Perhaps doing this would free up resources to Devuanize more packages, for less dependency on Debian. Before you ask, no, I can't help. I'm indexing my new book, I'm making provisions so programs written in Freepascal, C, and pretty much any other language, can send a sine wave to the speakers (a capability requiring way too much programming in Linux). Of course I'll release it as Free Software. The Debian "Community" is getting more rotten every day. Just today on Debian-User, somebody asked a maybe sorta dumb question, and several people gleefully jumped all over him. One guy (not the OP) thanked everybody for their diverse solutions, and then criticized the OP, signing his email "With kindest regards" :-). Another guy managed to bring the OP's advanced age into it. So it's not just their politicians with their rigged GRs, it's the very citizenry of Debian itself. In the long run it's probably going to be advantageous for Devuan to move more toward a distro of its own, before the Debian crowd decide to put in halloween code to sabotage Devuan. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
