Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
Better to remove reference to links, than have bad links. It is good to know which are bad. Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE Droid On Apr 21, 2016 10:36 AM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> Clicking on 'forked from Debian' >> > > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing > like you did is useless and misguiding. I didn't 'generalize' anything. Svante Signell wrote: Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? To which you replied: Can you be more specific? Did you *read* the contents of the 404 page you must have stumbled upon? If so, you know what to do. The 404 page suggests that 'broken links etc' should be reported. Hence, I went through all top-level links and posted the results: Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the following text: [404 page text] The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404 page. The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page. That's a specific (and not general) statement about a bunch of broken links. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: >> >> Clicking on 'forked from Debian' >> > > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing > like you did is useless and misguiding. I didn't 'generalize' anything. Svante Signell wrote: Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? To which you replied: Can you be more specific? Did you *read* the contents of the 404 page you must have stumbled upon? If so, you know what to do. The 404 page suggests that 'broken links etc' should be reported. Hence, I went through all top-level links and posted the results: Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the following text: [404 page text] The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404 page. The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page. That's a specific (and not general) statement about a bunch of broken links. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On 04/20/2016 07:55 PM, Rainer Weikusat wrote: > > Clicking on 'forked from Debian' > This is indeed one of the sections that remain to write. Generalizing like you did is useless and misguiding. Don't forget that this is the BETA site of the BETA, so it's normal that a house in-the-making doesn't behave like a finished house. More generally, complaints are received at the level of their worth: zero. Help is wanted and welcome. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Wed, 2016-04-20 at 14:54 +, Go Linux wrote: > On Wed, 4/20/16, Svante Signell wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 9:38 AM > > On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote: > > > > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to > Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? > > > > Perhaps you would like to provide some content for those pages? Maybe that would be a good idea. I'll take a look at what I can contribute with. BBL. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
hellekin writes: > On 04/20/2016 02:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote: >> >> Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? >> > > Can you be more specific? Did you *read* the contents of the 404 page > you must have stumbled upon? If so, you know what to do. Clicking on 'forked from Debian' yields a 'not found' page with the following text: , | Document Not Found | | You may have: | followed a broken link: please report to the originating site. | mistyped the URL: check your location bar for typos and retry. | | We may have: | forgotten to redirect a moved link (shouldn’t happen) | not written the content yet! (See devuan-www issues) | | We strive to keep our links working. If you found the error while | browsing devuan.org, please take a moment to report it to devuan-www. | | We also have a sitemap for robots. ` The "shouldn't happen" link goes to some portal registration page. As does the 'devuan-www' issues link. As does the 'report it to devuan www link'. The sitemap link renders the same 404 page. The other two 2nd level package links go to the 404 page. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On 04/20/2016 02:38 PM, Svante Signell wrote: > > Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? > Can you be more specific? Did you *read* the contents of the 404 page you must have stumbled upon? If so, you know what to do. == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Wed, 4/20/16, Svante Signell wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Wednesday, April 20, 2016, 9:38 AM On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote: > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? Perhaps you would like to provide some content for those pages? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Tue, 2016-04-19 at 04:29 +, hellekin wrote: > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to Nice page, next would be to populate the links with content, right? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
Nice work, really. It looks beautiful! On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 1:29 AM, hellekin wrote: > For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you > have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to > > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues?label_name=A11y > > If you have impaired vision, please consider: > https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/46 > > == > hk > > -- > _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom > (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
KatolaZ writes: > On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 03:29:30PM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: >> On 20/04/16 15:21, Noel Torres wrote: >> >Trond Arild Ydersbond escribió: >> >>I agree. And IMHO, it is not only the docs, but the whole approach to >> >>information handling where we need to improve on Debian. [...] >> >And even to Debian users. If we develop a good documentation system, >> >people will start telling other people to search our docs, and >> >mouth-to-ear we'll receive more visits and can explain to them why we >> >are here. >> >> As a personal preference when I'm in a hurry, I've always liked the >> Arch documentation. > > Please do not forget that there is already plenty of documentation > about Debian, which has been accumulated over the past two decades. It > is true that most of it is dispersed into dozens of wikis, If that's a problem (I've long stopped trying to use the Debian page to find anything instead of using Google to search for keywords which means it might be), why not organize that into an easy-to-use overview? ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Wed, Apr 20, 2016 at 03:29:30PM +0800, Brad Campbell wrote: > On 20/04/16 15:21, Noel Torres wrote: > > > >Trond Arild Ydersbond escribió: > > > >>I agree. And IMHO, it is not only the docs, but the whole approach to > >>information handling where we need to improve on Debian. How do we > >>cater for tens of thousands or more users, spread over the whole > >>spectrum of computing needs and with widely differing skills? We have > >>to prepare for becoming hugely successful :-) > > > >And even to Debian users. If we develop a good documentation system, > >people will start telling other people to search our docs, and > >mouth-to-ear we'll receive more visits and can explain to them why we > >are here. > > As a personal preference when I'm in a hurry, I've always liked the > Arch documentation. > Please do not forget that there is already plenty of documentation about Debian, which has been accumulated over the past two decades. It is true that most of it is dispersed into dozens of wikis, but I think that the reference manual is a decent piece of doc. There is no need to replicate that lot of work, at least at the moment, since most of what is valid for Debian is also valid for Devuan, except systemd-related stuff. My2Cents KatolaZ -- [ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ --- GLUG Catania -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ me [at] katolaz.homeunix.net -- http://katolaz.homeunix.net -- ] [ GNU/Linux User:#325780/ICQ UIN: #258332181/GPG key ID 0B5F062F ] [ Fingerprint: 8E59 D6AA 445E FDB4 A153 3D5A 5F20 B3AE 0B5F 062F ] ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On 20/04/16 15:21, Noel Torres wrote: Trond Arild Ydersbond escribió: I agree. And IMHO, it is not only the docs, but the whole approach to information handling where we need to improve on Debian. How do we cater for tens of thousands or more users, spread over the whole spectrum of computing needs and with widely differing skills? We have to prepare for becoming hugely successful :-) And even to Debian users. If we develop a good documentation system, people will start telling other people to search our docs, and mouth-to-ear we'll receive more visits and can explain to them why we are here. As a personal preference when I'm in a hurry, I've always liked the Arch documentation. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
Trond Arild Ydersbond escribió: 19. april 2016 15.45 Jaromil : thanks to Hellekin and Golinux. I agree they have done an outstanding job! the aim is really at consolidating short and sharp documentation. one thing Debian really suffers from: the dispersion of its docs. This is understandable since it is sedimented from years of activity. By starting from scratch with Devuan's documentation I think we can really make the life easier to newcomers and professionals using Devuan. I agree. And IMHO, it is not only the docs, but the whole approach to information handling where we need to improve on Debian. How do we cater for tens of thousands or more users, spread over the whole spectrum of computing needs and with widely differing skills? We have to prepare for becoming hugely successful :-) And even to Debian users. If we develop a good documentation system, people will start telling other people to search our docs, and mouth-to-ear we'll receive more visits and can explain to them why we are here. Noel er Envite bin9E8lXhCusj.bin Description: Clave PGP pública pgp9Awrzr799r.pgp Description: Firma digital PGP ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
19. april 2016 15.45 Jaromil : >thanks to Hellekin and Golinux. >I agree they have done an outstanding job! >the aim is really at consolidating short and sharp documentation. >one thing Debian really suffers from: the dispersion of its docs. >This is understandable since it is sedimented from years of >activity. >By starting from scratch with Devuan's documentation I think we can >really make the life easier to newcomers and professionals using >Devuan. I agree. And IMHO, it is not only the docs, but the whole approach to information handling where we need to improve on Debian. How do we cater for tens of thousands or more users, spread over the whole spectrum of computing needs and with widely differing skills? We have to prepare for becoming hugely successful :-) Trond ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On Tue, 19 Apr 2016, Simon Walter wrote: > Just from a quick glance, it looks really nice - much better than > the current site. thanks to Hellekin and Golinux. I agree they have done an outstanding job! the aim is really at consolidating short and sharp documentation. one thing Debian really suffers from: the dispersion of its docs. This is understandable since it is sedimented from years of activity. By starting from scratch with Devuan's documentation I think we can really make the life easier to newcomers and professionals using Devuan. ciao ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan Web A11y
On 04/19/2016 01:29 PM, hellekin wrote: https://beta.devuan.org Just from a quick glance, it looks really nice - much better than the current site. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Devuan Web A11y
For the Devuan Web we tried to take accessibility into account. If you have a11y issues with https://beta.devuan.org, please report to https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues?label_name=A11y If you have impaired vision, please consider: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/devuan-www/issues/46 == hk -- _ _ We are free to share code and we code to share freedom (_X_)yne Foundation, Free Culture Foundry * https://www.dyne.org/donate/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
