Re: [DNG] Distrowatch user satisfaction stats
goli...@devuan.org said on Fri, 21 May 2021 14:29:14 -0500 >I was poking around distrowatch (I don't very often) and found a page >which ranks Linux distros according to user ratings. > >Devuan is #2! Arch is #1 and Debian and the 'buntus (and other >"popular distros) are further down the page: >https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ranking > >If you're interested, you can read the reviews on which that ranking >was based at: >https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ratings=devuan > >We must be doing something right!! :D Remember when the media and the systemd fanboiz said the VUAs were just bluffing? Remember after the corrupt GR Devuan's message was "Don't panic and keep on forking?" #2 on Distrowatch's ratings list is something to be proud of. Also to be pointed out: Five of the top ten distros init without systemd. The next time a fanboy says everyone uses systemd, remind him of this. Of course he'll say that Devuan is waaay down the list of DistroWatch's list sorted by downloads, and you can counter that many of those downloads were experimental, and the list according to ratings is much more likely to include people who actually installed and use the OS. SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch user satisfaction stats
To be honest, I never heard of distrowatch before. There are 221 reviews on Devuan, though. 221! People seem to know the place, and going full steam tu use it to share with the world! We must be doing something right!! :D Taking Debian, which had solid basis in the past, and fixing the crap introduced by poor leadership and catastrophic GR? Feels strange people eventually like the result, right? Oh, wait. Kudos to all the quiet hard workers behind that success! Bernard (Beer) Rosset https://rosset.net/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Distrowatch user satisfaction stats
I was poking around distrowatch (I don't very often) and found a page which ranks Linux distros according to user ratings. Devuan is #2! Arch is #1 and Debian and the 'buntus (and other "popular distros) are further down the page: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ranking If you're interested, you can read the reviews on which that ranking was based at: https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ratings=devuan We must be doing something right!! :D golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Distrowatch reviews
You might have noticed that distrowatch has recently introduced the possibility to review and rate distros: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ranking It is good to see that Devuan is doing quite well overall: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=ratings=devuan I hope it's not just due to Dev1fanboys :) HND KatolaZ -- [ ~.,_ Enzo Nicosia aka KatolaZ - GLUGCT -- Freaknet Medialab ] [ "+. katolaz [at] freaknet.org --- katolaz [at] yahoo.it ] [ @) http://kalos.mine.nu --- Devuan GNU + Linux User ] [ @@) http://maths.qmul.ac.uk/~vnicosia -- GPG: 0B5F062F ] [ (@@@) Twitter: @KatolaZ - skype: katolaz -- github: KatolaZ ] signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
Le 23/08/2016 09:02, KatolaZ a écrit : I wouldn't be too much concerned about Internet polls. In particular, a scientifically sound poll should ask a single question at a time, and not mix four questions like in this case: - Have you tried Devuan? - If not, do you plan to try it in the future? - If yes, do you think it is ready to use? - If it is not ready to use, how much work do you think is needed? It doesn't respond to the following question: how many didn't answer the poll because they just don't care and they feel satisfied with Systemd or Windows? Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 06:27:58PM +, Go Linux wrote: > Looks like the second poll has ended. There's a new one up today and voting > is no longer an option. Here are the final results: > > Poll results for: The state of Devuan > > I have tried Devuan and it is ready to use: 95 (27%) > I have tried Devuan and it needs a little more work: 45 (13%) > I have tried Devuan and it needs lots more work: 19 (5%) > I have not yet tried Devuan but plan to later:90 (25%) > I have not yet tried Devuan and have no plans to try it: 107 (30%) The important ones are, of course, the ones who have tried Devuan. Most of those who have tried Devuan think it is ready to use. But we should try to accommodate that 13 %. And what are the problems of the 5%. Unfortunately the poll doesn't give us this level of detail. -- hendrik > > Those results are actually better percentage wise than the ones that were > "lost". Thanks to everyone who voted. > > golinux > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On 08/20/2016 05:02 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: What can prevent a single person from voting multiple times? I have voted - once only - but I think this kind of poll is, at the minimum, terribly biased. It probably only allows one per IP address per day. So if you are on a dynamically assigned address... (-; Polls traditionally get loaded by the questions asked and the targeted demographic. The nature of the beast. Clarke ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
Le 20/08/2016 07:11, Peter Olson a écrit : On August 19, 2016 at 2:25 PM Steve Littwrote: On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:06:24 -0400 fsmithred wrote: For anyone who's interested in the results before they got wiped, I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple times because I'm originally from Chicago. Boston has dibs on that as well. What can prevent a single person from voting multiple times? I have voted - once only - but I think this kind of poll is, at the minimum, terribly biased. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:53:18 -0700 > Rick Moenwrote: > > > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > > > I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple > > > times because I'm originally from Chicago. > > > > I was able to vote while eating BBQ because I'm visiting Kansas City. > > Go to Santa Maria California and get a "tritip" from one of the local > street vendors. It's only a 385 km bicycle ride from home. I'll get right on that! (I did vote in the Distrowatch poll, saying, truthfully, 'I have not yet tried Devuan but plan to later.' Which position I see is at a respectable 23%, with 53 votes.) ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 12:53:18 -0700 Rick Moenwrote: > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple > > times because I'm originally from Chicago. > > I was able to vote while eating BBQ because I'm visiting Kansas City. Go to Santa Maria California and get a "tritip" from one of the local street vendors. SteveT Steve Litt August 2016 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
> On August 19, 2016 at 2:25 PM Steve Littwrote: > > On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:06:24 -0400 > fsmithred wrote: > > > For anyone who's interested in the results before they got wiped, > > I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple > times because I'm originally from Chicago. Boston has dibs on that as well. Peter Olson ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple > times because I'm originally from Chicago. I was able to vote while eating BBQ because I'm visiting Kansas City. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): > What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? How does that not describe just about every Internet poll, ever? I did, though, rather like what the government of Hungary did about Stephen Colbert fans brigading the Internet poll to rename the Northern M0 Danube Bridge between Buda and Pest: Hungarian Ambassador András Simonyi appeared on The Colbert Report (Colbert's comedic television programme) to congratulate Mr. Colbert on placing first with 17 million votes (the entire population of Hungary being about 10M), but deadpanned that Hungarian law imposed a couple of additional requirements: One, he said Colbert would need to be fluent in Hungarian. Two, once that minor problem was addressed, Mr. Colbert would need to be _deceased_. A fortnight later, the Hungarian Geographical Name Committee decided to ignore the poll and name the bridge 'Megyeri' on grounds of it connecting the Káposztásmegyer and Békásmegyer districts. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
What does it mean "little" and "lots" of work? Words like "little"and "lots" are too subjective. Although DEVUAN may be a works in progress, many like me have been using it as their production OS for a whole year. An OS can never be ready. Is MS Windows ready? Does it have outstanding bugs? Is everyone satisfied with MS Windows GUI? I am asking about MS Windows, but my questions can be asked about all operating systems, open and closed. Popularity and polls are intimately related as popularity often shapes the result of polls. Does it make any difference if the masses out there reject DEVUAN or not? DEVUAN is the result of rejecting systemd which was created to make things easier for the masses. A good survey would be one that specifically asks system administrators. Is DEVUAN being adopted to power servers? Do server administrators prefer to have systemd dependent OSs powering their machines? Is DEVUAN being used as a base for other distributions? Please take popular polls that appeal to the masses with a pinch of salt. Edward -- If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 8/19/16, fsmithred <fsmith...@gmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 1:06 PM On 08/19/2016 01:31 PM, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:55:49 + (UTC) >> Go Linux <goli...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: >> >>> What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? >>> >> >>> What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would >>> depend whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why >>> shouldn't it be those of us supporting Devuan? >>> >>> golinux >> >> Well said! >> >> Whether it's intentional sabotage or ballot stuffing, I'm a lot more >> likely to retain a high sense of dignity and ethics if my opponents are >> playing by the rules. >> >> Or, as one of the characters in "Lucifer's Hammer" says toward the end >> of the book, "A society adopts the ethics they can afford." >> >> SteveT >> ___ > For anyone who's interested in the results before they got wiped, what I > recall is that around half said they would never try it, a quarter said > they'd try it later. > > Among those who had tried it, three times as many said it was ready than > said it needed a lot of work. And those who said in needed a little work > were between the other two groups. > > For raw numbers, the only one I remember is that 12 said it was ready. I'm > a little slow with math, so I'll stop here. > > -fsr That last number was at least 120 - maybe a typo? My click was #70! golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:06:24 -0400 fsmithredwrote: > For anyone who's interested in the results before they got wiped, I just voted again, "ready to use" again. I'm able to vote multiple times because I'm originally from Chicago. SteveT Steve Litt August 2016 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On 08/19/2016 01:31 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:55:49 + (UTC) > Go Linuxwrote: > >> On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski wrote: > >>> What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? >>> >> >> What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would >> depend whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why >> shouldn't it be those of us supporting Devuan? >> >> golinux > > Well said! > > Whether it's intentional sabotage or ballot stuffing, I'm a lot more > likely to retain a high sense of dignity and ethics if my opponents are > playing by the rules. > > Or, as one of the characters in "Lucifer's Hammer" says toward the end > of the book, "A society adopts the ethics they can afford." > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > August 2016 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting > Brand new, second edition > http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr > ___ For anyone who's interested in the results before they got wiped, what I recall is that around half said they would never try it, a quarter said they'd try it later. Among those who had tried it, three times as many said it was ready than said it needed a lot of work. And those who said in needed a little work were between the other two groups. For raw numbers, the only one I remember is that 12 said it was ready. I'm a little slow with math, so I'll stop here. -fsr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
I chose the second option as it does need a bit more work WRT Network Manager a few small nits. I'm confident these will be completed soon. - Nate -- "The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds. The pessimist fears this is true." Ham radio, Linux, bikes, and more: http://www.n0nb.us ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:55:49 + (UTC) Go Linuxwrote: > On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski wrote: > > What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? > > > > What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would > depend whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why > shouldn't it be those of us supporting Devuan? > > golinux Well said! Whether it's intentional sabotage or ballot stuffing, I'm a lot more likely to retain a high sense of dignity and ethics if my opponents are playing by the rules. Or, as one of the characters in "Lucifer's Hammer" says toward the end of the book, "A society adopts the ethics they can afford." SteveT Steve Litt August 2016 featured book: Manager's Guide to Technical Troubleshooting Brand new, second edition http://www.troubleshooters.com/mgr ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:55:49PM +, Go Linux wrote: > On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: > > Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over > To: dng@lists.dyne.org > Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 2:13 AM > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:21:24AM +, Go Linux wrote: > > >> The Distrowatch poll posted by Jim Murphy a few days ago - > >> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160816.141551.cded4448.en.html - > >> went sideways this morning. It was archived with results from another > >> unrelated poll. I emailed to let them know and suddenly the odometer was > >> back to zero and there were about 15 votes. So looks like they managed to > >> 'lose' the original data. > >> > >> Time to go click again: > >> > >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll > >> > >> Polls may not be important but still . . . > > > > > > What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? > > > > > What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would depend > whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why shouldn't it be > those of us supporting Devuan? That poll asks whether Devuan is ready. It also asks separate questions of those using and not using Devuan. It does look as if it is properly structured. Go look and decide yourself. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, 8/19/16, Adam Borowski <kilob...@angband.pl> wrote: Subject: Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over To: dng@lists.dyne.org Date: Friday, August 19, 2016, 2:13 AM On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:21:24AM +, Go Linux wrote: >> The Distrowatch poll posted by Jim Murphy a few days ago - >> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160816.141551.cded4448.en.html - >> went sideways this morning. It was archived with results from another >> unrelated poll. I emailed to let them know and suddenly the odometer was >> back to zero and there were about 15 votes. So looks like they managed to >> 'lose' the original data. >> >> Time to go click again: >> >> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll >> >> Polls may not be important but still . . . > > > What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? > What's the point of any poll or election? I imagine that would depend whether you agree with those doing the 'stuffing'. ;) Why shouldn't it be those of us supporting Devuan? golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 01:21:24AM +, Go Linux wrote: > The Distrowatch poll posted by Jim Murphy a few days ago - > https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160816.141551.cded4448.en.html - went > sideways this morning. It was archived with results from another unrelated > poll. I emailed to let them know and suddenly the odometer was back to zero > and there were about 15 votes. So looks like they managed to 'lose' the > original data. > > Time to go click again: > > http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll > > Polls may not be important but still . . . What's the point of a poll that's stuffed with votes from one side? -- An imaginary friend squared is a real enemy. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Distrowatch Devuan poll do-over
The Distrowatch poll posted by Jim Murphy a few days ago - https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20160816.141551.cded4448.en.html - went sideways this morning. It was archived with results from another unrelated poll. I emailed to let them know and suddenly the odometer was back to zero and there were about 15 votes. So looks like they managed to 'lose' the original data. Time to go click again: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20160815#poll Polls may not be important but still . . . golinux ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On 151105-21:19-0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:18:42 + > Nuno Magalhãeswrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:49 AM, wrote: > > > > > > It is very unlikely that Gentoo would switch to systemd. > > > > I sure hope so, it and slackware are my current distros of choice ever > > since Debian ceased to be, it's been fun. > > However, i must point out that Gentoo does have systemd as an option > > and this, IMHO, is the best approach i've seen so far to this whole > > conundrum: default OpenRC, optional (if you choose), systemd. > > Everybody's happy. > > > > As for distros that'll never ever change to systemd... look to the > > past and see what happened. > > > > Cheers, > > Nuno > > I'd start by booting a System Rescue CD CD, the Gentoo based Live CD, that is. > hopefully booting it to RAM > so you can remove the CD. Sure, that's the recommended way... > Run it for a couple hours. If you hear any > beeps, it's hardware. Otherwise it was software and you can start from > there. > > You really wouldn't want to start with an erroneous assumption as to > whether it's hardware or software: That's the kind of thing that leads > to day or week long efforts. > Probably that is the case. In fact I sure can take your word that it is. I mostly agree with your opinions which I read in Devuan ML. You're credible enough. (It probably depends on what you do with it, in my minimal use, just backup and restore, if face cloning my systems, to be truthful, I don't have those issues. But that does not mean I recommend anything systemd-based.) But it seems you present Sysresccd as a typical Gentoo install, and that it reflect the acceptance if systemd in Gentoo, is that the case? If it is, you are wrong (in your presenting of Sysresccd as being typical for Gentoo). Sysresccd is not recommended as a live system to use, to newbies in Gentoo Installation guide, since a few years ago. It was previously, maybe 5 or so years ago. Not anymore. Regards! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:23 AM,wrote: > On 151105-21:19-0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:18:42 + >> Nuno Magalhães wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:49 AM, wrote: >> > > >> > > It is very unlikely that Gentoo would switch to systemd. >> > >> > I sure hope so, it and slackware are my current distros of choice ever >> > since Debian ceased to be, it's been fun. >> > However, i must point out that Gentoo does have systemd as an option >> > and this, IMHO, is the best approach i've seen so far to this whole >> > conundrum: default OpenRC, optional (if you choose), systemd. >> > Everybody's happy. ... >> I'd start by booting a System Rescue CD CD, > the Gentoo based Live CD, that is. > >> hopefully booting it to RAM >> so you can remove the CD. > Sure, that's the recommended way... > >> Run it for a couple hours. If you hear any >> beeps, it's hardware. Otherwise it was software and you can start from >> there. I'd say you guys are replying to the wrong thread (the laptop beeping one, not this one?).. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On 151102-13:00-0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:57:23 +0800 > Robert Storeywrote: > > > > From: Nuno Magalhães > > > > > > Unfortunately it only allows you to search by package, leaving you > > > with a lot of non-linux and inactive distros - and no ranking. > > > But it's a nice feature. > > > > Yes, but biggest problem is that it misses some good non-systemd > > distros like Gentoo and Manjaro-OpenRC because those do include the > > systemd packages but it's use is optional. > > Big difference between the preceding two. As far as I know, Gentoo has > shown no reluctance to *eventually* switching to systemd. It is very unlikely that Gentoo would switch to systemd. Study for yourself the huge forum threads, such as: Why is Gentoo not switching to systemd? https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-998108.html ( pls. notice here the poll: I <3 systemd!! I want Gentoo to switch!! 12% [ 26 ] Get that horse-crap away from Gentoo as far as possible! 87% [ 186 ] ) Why is Gentoo not switching to systemd? Part 2 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1003784.html The Politics of systemd https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-983808.html The Politics of systemd Part 2 https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1031982.html > By its very > existence, Manjaro-OpenRC has. Here are the distros I've heard of that > have taken an absolute stand not to *ever* default to systemd: > > * Devuan > * Funtoo > * Void Linux > * And by context, Manjaro-OpenRC > So add Gentoo in the list above. Believe me, a non-systemd Gentoo is I could almost say from my experiencs, almost very close to perfection (I however use a kind of minimalist install: I hate and never intend to use in any way in my system the *dbus*[**], the great partner to systemd in poetterizing FOSS Linux). That presented in defence of Gentoo, you never know. Such as: My most favorite, my most admired program in FOSS, the program that I believe fixes the hooks for the one-ring cravers in the FOSS Linux kernel introduced since the LSM, and which program, actually a set of patches to the kernel, I dreamed of some day teaching newbies how to deploy in their Devuan (as I have with success taught newbies in Devuan, bafore the disgusting systemd took over Debian, has gone incompleteware: the grsecurity Read who is interested, since I do remeber, from some of my previous few participations in the discussion here, that there are some devs[*] in Devuan, who deploy grsecurity and know the huge benefits of grsecurity: Intel Subsidiary's Violations Made Grsec withdraw Stable? https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1031476.html Regards! [*] I'm just a somewhat advanced user only, so I won't participate much in the discussion here. [**] and I remember Jude C. Nelson wrote that *vdev* will not depend on dbus, great to know! -- Miroslav Rovis Zagreb, Croatia http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:49 AM,wrote: > > It is very unlikely that Gentoo would switch to systemd. I sure hope so, it and slackware are my current distros of choice ever since Debian ceased to be, it's been fun. However, i must point out that Gentoo does have systemd as an option and this, IMHO, is the best approach i've seen so far to this whole conundrum: default OpenRC, optional (if you choose), systemd. Everybody's happy. As for distros that'll never ever change to systemd... look to the past and see what happened. Cheers, Nuno ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On Thu, 5 Nov 2015 21:18:42 + Nuno Magalhãeswrote: > On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 8:49 AM, wrote: > > > > It is very unlikely that Gentoo would switch to systemd. > > I sure hope so, it and slackware are my current distros of choice ever > since Debian ceased to be, it's been fun. > However, i must point out that Gentoo does have systemd as an option > and this, IMHO, is the best approach i've seen so far to this whole > conundrum: default OpenRC, optional (if you choose), systemd. > Everybody's happy. > > As for distros that'll never ever change to systemd... look to the > past and see what happened. > > Cheers, > Nuno I'd start by booting a System Rescue CD CD, hopefully booting it to RAM so you can remove the CD. Run it for a couple hours. If you hear any beeps, it's hardware. Otherwise it was software and you can start from there. You really wouldn't want to start with an erroneous assumption as to whether it's hardware or software: That's the kind of thing that leads to day or week long efforts. SteveT Steve Litt November 2015 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On 11/02/2015 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Here are the distros I've heard of that have taken an absolute stand not to*ever* default to systemd: If I may remind you ... Devuan did not even exist when TRIOS was released :) Dragan ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
> From: Nuno Magalhães> > Unfortunately it only allows you to search by package, leaving you > with a lot of non-linux and inactive distros - and no ranking. > But it's a nice feature. Yes, but biggest problem is that it misses some good non-systemd distros like Gentoo and Manjaro-OpenRC because those do include the systemd packages but it's use is optional. Still, it's interesting to hear that so many visitors to DistroWatch are interested in avoiding systemd. There is definitely an audience there for Devuan, waiting with bated breath for version 1.0. cheers, Robert ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:57:23 +0800 Robert Storeywrote: > > From: Nuno Magalhães > > > > Unfortunately it only allows you to search by package, leaving you > > with a lot of non-linux and inactive distros - and no ranking. > > But it's a nice feature. > > Yes, but biggest problem is that it misses some good non-systemd > distros like Gentoo and Manjaro-OpenRC because those do include the > systemd packages but it's use is optional. Big difference between the preceding two. As far as I know, Gentoo has shown no reluctance to *eventually* switching to systemd. By its very existence, Manjaro-OpenRC has. Here are the distros I've heard of that have taken an absolute stand not to *ever* default to systemd: * Devuan * Funtoo * Void Linux * And by context, Manjaro-OpenRC Even FreeBSD has had some systemd contemplation. Slackware has been wishy-washy on the subject, from what I hear. When considering one's next distro, some thought must be given to the fact that just because a distro doesn't *currently* use systemd doesn't mean that they won't switch. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
On Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:31:27 +0100 Dragan FOSSwrote: > On 11/02/2015 07:00 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Here are the distros I've heard of that > > have taken an absolute stand not to*ever* default to systemd: > > If I may remind you ... Devuan did not even exist when TRIOS was > released :) > > Dragan > OK, add TRIOS to the list. SteveT Steve Litt October 2015 featured book: Thriving in Tough Times http://www.troubleshooters.com/thrive ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
Unfortunately it only allows you to search by package, leaving you with a lot of non-linux and inactive distros - and no ranking. But it's a nice feature. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Distrowatch
Didn't see any mention of this little goodie, so enjoy: In DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 632, 19 October 2015, in the News section "Improving package searches", the editors dropped this tidbit: " On a related note, we receive a lot of queries asking if there is a way to find distributions which do not include a specific package, particularly the systemd software. To find distributions which do not include a package, visit our Search page, select the package to be avoided and select Not in latest release from the drop-down box on the right. Then click Submit Query. A list of distributions which do not feature the package will be provided. " ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Distrowatch
Would be interesting to see the stats from the searches. This could be added to the list: http://refracta.freeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=3=529 golinux On Sat, 10/31/15, Don Wright <wm...@dslextreme.com> wrote: Subject: [DNG] Distrowatch To: "dng" <dng@lists.dyne.org> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2015, 12:16 PM Didn't see any mention of this little goodie, so enjoy: In DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 632, 19 October 2015, in the News section "Improving package searches", the editors dropped this tidbit: " On a related note, we receive a lot of queries asking if there is a way to find distributions which do not include a specific package, particularly the systemd software. To find distributions which do not include a package, visit our Search page, select the package to be avoided and select Not in latest release from the drop-down box on the right. Then click Submit Query. A list of distributions which do not feature the package will be provided. " ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] DistroWatch review of Manjaro-OpenRC
Good review. Testing it tomorrow. El 2015-06-01 00:11, Robert Storey escribió: Now that Ubuntu and Debian have decided to go over to the Dark Side ... Feedback on the story is welcome (even negative feedback). regards, Robert -- Saludos cordiales, Ángel Ramírez Isea. Usuario de Devuan y Canaima GNU / Linux # 460737. Coordinador General. Cooperativa Simón Rodríguez para el Conocimiento Libre, RS. www.simonrodriguez.org.ve (261) 524.55.93 -:- (426) 369.57.18 J-40294137-4 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [Dng] DistroWatch review of Manjaro-OpenRC
On Mon, 1 Jun 2015 12:11:08 +0800 Robert Storey robert.sto...@gmail.com wrote: Now that Ubuntu and Debian have decided to go over to the Dark Side (ie systemd), I've been looking for a replacement at least until Devuan is released. I believe it was Steve Litt who made a post suggesting that Manjaro-OpenRC was very good, so I checked it out. Long story made short, it is indeed very good and has now replaced Ubuntu on my desktop and laptop machines. Manjaro-OpenRC occupies a time-honored role: It gives our developers the breathing room to bring Devuan to perfection. It's where people can go until Devuan is ready. Of course, Manjaro-OpenRC is a wonderful product in and of itself, and I'm friendly with several of the people there. Truth be told, the reason I chose Devuan over Manjaro-OpenRC is because I view the Devuan Community as being astonishingly astounding, and I want to be part of it. SteveT Steve Litt June 2015 featured book: The Key to Everyday Excellence http://www.troubleshooters.com/key ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[Dng] DistroWatch review of Manjaro-OpenRC
Now that Ubuntu and Debian have decided to go over to the Dark Side (ie systemd), I've been looking for a replacement at least until Devuan is released. I believe it was Steve Litt who made a post suggesting that Manjaro-OpenRC was very good, so I checked it out. Long story made short, it is indeed very good and has now replaced Ubuntu on my desktop and laptop machines. I very occasionally write reviews for DistroWatch, and decided that Manjaro-OpenRC was a worthy topic to write about. So I wrote the review and I'm told by the site owner that it will be published tonight (Taiwan time around 7 PM, early Monday morning if you're in the Western hemisphere). A lot of you probably read DistroWatch and would have found the article on your own, but I thought I should mention it. Feedback on the story is welcome (even negative feedback). regards, Robert ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng