[DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + >On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: >> >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched >> the video: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > >But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive > >A bit off topic, I know... Yes, and for that reason I wish you'd changed the subject line to reflect your message. Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? SteveT Steve Litt Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
Anno domini 2022 Sun, 16 Jan 15:58:36 -0500 Steve Litt scripsit: > ael via Dng said on Sun, 16 Jan 2022 11:56:51 + > > >On Sun, Jan 16, 2022 at 04:12:44AM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > >> > >> This was discussed on the devuan-offtopic IRC channel, so I watched > >> the video: > >> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E > > > >But youtube has become impossible to watch with hideous intrusive > > > >A bit off topic, I know... > > Yes, and for that reason I wish you'd changed the subject line to > reflect your message. > > Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video > at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? It's a short version of "UNIX: A History and a Memoir" ISBN: 978-1695978553. If you are too young to have at least a faint memory of that ear I'd suggest you get a copy :) Nik > > > SteveT > > Steve Litt > Spring 2021 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful > Technologist http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ... ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On 1/16/22 22:58, Steve Litt wrote: [snip] Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? Yes, it was quite interesting to hear about what a nice working environment there used to be and the talent that was active there, especially the hands-off management style. He mentioned one of the main points of UNIX being about fostering community, and he was not far from MIT the whole time. So I was a little disappointed that he did not at mention GNU at least in passing even though he did spend some time talking about Linux. /Lars ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 15:58 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video > at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? I enjoyed the video. To be more specific, I liked his assessment of what 'ingredients' led to unix development and his assessment of whether a 'unix' could be built again. As I think about it, that question leads right to the quote from Dennis Ritchie that Brian put up at the end of his speech or presentation. That is: "What we wanted to preserve was not just a good environment in which to do programming, but a system around which a fellowship could form. We knew from experience that the essence of communal computing [...] is not just to type programs into a terminal instead of a keypunch but to encourage close communication." Pretty neat stuff. It occurs to me that what Dennis says was their goal, was to preserve the human aspects of those criteria that produced unix. Thanks for sharing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
Pretty good talk. Reminds me of the other time I heard Brian (in person) at Purdue in 1977-78 or so. He opened with two quotes, "The operating system comes between the user and the hardware" which got a laugh because although it was from a standard operating system textbook, he didn't mean it that way. The second was "TSO is like kicking a dead whale down the beach" (TSO was an early IBM operating system). I was using Unix since January 1976 for my research programming. Brian looks older now, somehow ;) --Tim On Tuesday, January 18, 2022, 04:31:49 PM EST, Gabe Stanton via Dng wrote: On Sun, 2022-01-16 at 15:58 -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > Now, does anybody have anything to say about the CONTENT of the video > at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECCr_KFl41E ? I enjoyed the video. To be more specific, I liked his assessment of what 'ingredients' led to unix development and his assessment of whether a 'unix' could be built again. As I think about it, that question leads right to the quote from Dennis Ritchie that Brian put up at the end of his speech or presentation. That is: "What we wanted to preserve was not just a good environment in which to do programming, but a system around which a fellowship could form. We knew from experience that the essence of communal computing [...] is not just to type programs into a terminal instead of a keypunch but to encourage close communication." Pretty neat stuff. It occurs to me that what Dennis says was their goal, was to preserve the human aspects of those criteria that produced unix. Thanks for sharing. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Genuine, legitimate Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video: Was: Early Days at Bell Labs - Youtube, the systemd of video
On Wed, Jan 19, 2022 at 01:11:52AM +, Tim Wallace via Dng wrote: > Pretty good talk. Reminds me of the other time I heard Brian (in person) at > Purdue in 1977-78 or so. He opened with two quotes, "The operating system > comes between the user and the hardware" which got a laugh because although > it was from a standard operating system textbook, he didn't mean it that way. > The second was "TSO is like kicking a dead whale down the beach" (TSO was an > early IBM operating system). Interesting how a small outfir place like the University of Michigan could do a better job (MTS) of time-sharing on IBM hardware than IBM could. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
