Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select "No Operating system". See, for example, https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop Send from a Clevo laptop running Linux... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Sony VAIO E14 (SVE14125CLB). Piece of cake. Everything (I need) works out-of-the-box. Don't know it BT works because I don't need it, never used it. Cheers. On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 10:53 AM ael wrote: > On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > > running Devuan is preferable. > > > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). > > I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo > laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select > "No Operating system". See, for example, > https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop > > I have no knowledge of that company: I just did a search for Clevo & > Australia. > > Clevo laptops are sold under many different names: I think all resellers > rebrand them. I think all the resellers offer "No Operating system", so > no MS tax. Unfortunately, as yet they do not offer any Ryzen laptops, > although that could change. I suspect Clevo actually manufacture many of > the "well known" brands. > > Send from a Clevo laptop, which has never been soiled by MS, running > Linux... > > ael > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). I did a quick search and found www.metabox.com.au which sells Clevo laptops: you configure them yourself and you can select "No Operating system". See, for example, https://www.metabox.com.au/store/b268/Metabox-Alpha-X-NH58RA-Laptop I have no knowledge of that company: I just did a search for Clevo & Australia. Clevo laptops are sold under many different names: I think all resellers rebrand them. I think all the resellers offer "No Operating system", so no MS tax. Unfortunately, as yet they do not offer any Ryzen laptops, although that could change. I suspect Clevo actually manufacture many of the "well known" brands. Send from a Clevo laptop, which has never been soiled by MS, running Linux... ael ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, Apr 09, 2020 at 11:56:07AM +1000, terryc wrote: > This is a hardware question. > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? > How difficult was it? Purism's Librem 15, version 3. Comes with coreboot and the Intel Management engine disabled. No problem at all installing Devuan Ascii and upgrading to beowulf. The only real problem was configuring the touch pad to interpret multiple fingers as a middle click on the mouse. Works now. But I find I prefer a real mouse to a touchpad. I use a USB wireless mouse. I wish, in fact, there was an easy way to turn the touchpad off while a mouse is connected. Its too easy to brush against it while typing and suddenly be typing into a completely different location than intended. (I don't want it permanently disabled; I'd like to, say, be able to switch to a touchpad when my mouse battery runs out. And I don't want to have to use the mouse to point and click anywhere to activate that! Once installed Debian buster as well in a separate partition as dual-boot. No problem either. I plan to try a cross-grade from buster to beowulf to test the official crossgrade instructions *when they become available*. I had a problem activating Purism's own linux distro. It's Debian derivative with systemd, by the way. Although I have no doubt it would install trouble-free, it insisted on encrypting my entire hard drive for security. I didn't want that. For me, forgetting the key is a greater risk than someone stealing my laptop and accessing the contents. The only complaints I have about the hardware are: * No visual indication whether any of the shift-locks on the keyboard are active. There's the regular upper-case shift and the num-lock for the numeric keypad. * All the keys feel the same (except for bumps on the F and J keys for tough-typists). The result is it's really easy to be trying to use cursor keys and accidently hit nearby keys instead. I had previously used an Asus EEEPC -- the first one that needed *no* proprietary drivers. (the very first one did need a proprietary driver -- I forget what for) It was about a decade old when I installed Devuan jessie on it. No problem except figuring out how to boot from a USB stick. Even after configuring the boot order in the BIOS, I still had to press a particular key combination when booting to get it to consider USB as a boot device. It too has been upgraded to beowulf. I still use it occasionally for smaller, less memory- and CPU-demanding tasks such as emacs text-editing at nanowrimo write-ins. It's lighter-weight and thus easier to carry around than the new one. I'm also using Devuan ascii on my home server. No problem there except the machine is ancient and starting to fail. It's old enough not to have the Intel management engine. Anyway, this question was about laptops. -- hendrik ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On 4/9/20 3:05 PM, Olaf Meeuwissen via Dng wrote: > I have received good service from them. They are in the UK, I'm in > Japan but that wasn't a problem. I got to them via the FSF's RYF > (Respects Your Freedom) site. You might want to check that out. https://minifree.org/ bankrupt, shutting down + shaming fsf... anyway, it was always too expensive for me. got a few refurbished T410, T420, T420s, T520 for <200€, and they all run devuan or some other debian based distro without trouble. got to say, i've switched intel default wlan with atheros one, put on a custom bios and disabled camera/wwan there. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Hi, terryc writes: > This is a hardware question. > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? I bought a Libreboot T400 (refurbished Lenovo T400) from Minifree a couple of years ago. Typing this message from it right now ;-) I have received good service from them. They are in the UK, I'm in Japan but that wasn't a problem. I got to them via the FSF's RYF (Respects Your Freedom) site. You might want to check that out. https://ryf.fsf.org/ # Minifree seems to be going out of business according to their site # See https://minifree.org/ > How difficult was it? Not difficult at all but I'd been using Linux (Debian) as a software developer and small-time sysadmin for two decades already. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Hi, 1 DELL LATITUDE D820 1 ASUS EEPC 1018PX they just work. Ciao, Tito On 4/9/20 3:56 AM, terryc wrote: > This is a hardware question. > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? > How difficult was it? > > Thank You In Advance. > > The long story; I finally have a need to purchase my own personal > laptop and have spent the last few days searching for such a beastie > that I can order. > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). > > Note, also having great difficulty finding out how to order such a > beastie from the major global brands. > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Le 09/04/2020 à 03:56, terryc a écrit : Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed devuan onto? How difficult was it? Installing Devuan/Debian always requires some knowledge of Linux and experience of Debian is helpfull. You often need to have a few own tricks to undesrtand roughly what's happenning and get out of traps. If you have little experience, it is an opportunity to learn. I Have installed Jessie on 2 laptops running 64-bit Intel cpus: - a 6 year old HP EliteBook with Core-I7 (my daily computer), - and an older Toshiba Satellite with Celeron. Both have been upgraded to Ascii and the Toshiba recently upgraded to Beowulf. On the Toshiba, the touchpad never worked with Linux but I don't know if this has an hardware or software cause; I didn't investigate because it is rarely used, and mostly by my wife who doesn't like touchpads; it is essentially a spare laptop. IMHO the hardware concern is common to all Linux distros because it is only related to how well the kernel supports the hardware. The only machines for which there might be problems are the most recent and exotic ones, like was a few years ago the Windows Surface. Didier ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:56:07 +1000 terryc wrote: > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? I have a $300 (CAD) Dell Inspiron 11 3180. According to my mid 2018 notes I tried Devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_desktop-live.iso and had issues with graphics being corrupt. I didn't troubleshoot. This isn't a daily driver; it's a toy that I ended up putting Lubuntu 18.10 amd64 on. > How difficult was it? Booting from USB was annoying to figure out: https://blog.spiralofhope.com/?p=38871#booting-from-usb -- In general, I was interested in Dell brand laptops because of their explicit Ubuntu support, meaning that Devuan would likely work fine. They also have *spectacular* support. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On 09/04/20 03:56, terryc wrote: This is a hardware question. Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed devuan onto? How difficult was it? HP db1043nl, installed Beowulf in... November? Wifi and graphics drivers didn't work out of the box, so I had to use another machine to get the necessary updates Bye! ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:56:07 +1000 terryc wrote: > This is a hardware question. > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? > How difficult was it? > > Thank You In Advance. > > The long story; I finally have a need to purchase my own personal > laptop and have spent the last few days searching for such a beastie > that I can order. > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). > > Note, also having great difficulty finding out how to order such a > beastie from the major global brands. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng My favorite laptop for running Linux is the Lenovo Thinkpad model T430 modified to run CoreBoot and IntelManagementEngine-nuetered. It has been one of the most reliable machines I have ever owned. Runs Devuan ASCII perfectly. I've got a 500G Samsung Pro SSD in there and 8GB of Corsair RAM. I wonder if NASA still uses these in the ISS. It was no difficulty at all installing Devuan on the device but I did have to completely dissemble the device to get access to the two EEPROM chips and attach an in-circuit programmer to them for flashing of CoreBoot which removes the NSA management engine backdoor, removes the restriction on which mPCIE cards can be installed, and allows the use of generic batteries. -- __ / If love is the answer, could you \ | rephrase the question? | | | \ -- Lily Tomlin / -- \ \ /\ /\ //\\_//\\ \_ _// / / * * \/^^^] \_\O/_/[ ] / \_[ / \ \_ / / [ [ / \/ _/ _[ [ \ /_/ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
I tend to purchase used equipment from a refurbisher, so this is old equipment. Dell Latitude E6440 installs fine, but bluetooth does not have drivers that I can find. Some weird Dell labeled part. There was some stuff on their site indicating you could make it work, but I'm lazy so I used a USB dongle for my bluetooth. Toshiba Satellite A665 installed fine and everything worked very well. It did not have bluetooth, so I picked up a USB dongle for that. Both machines running ASCII. Installation was a matter of plugging in the thumbdrive, booting and installing. No special weirdness to work around. Rod On 4/9/20 1:03 AM, tempforever wrote: > Devuan ascii successfully installed, regularly used on the following > laptops: > > Lenovo Thinkpad T550 -- the sd card reader does not work (think this > is a hardware problem though, I did get a refurbished machine) > > HP Pavillion - not sure the exact model # > > These next two ran ascii, then upgraded to beowulf: > > Toshiba Satellite A135 (i386) > > Acer Aspire AS7750G > > The HP has a problem with the builtin wifi adapter (sometimes it works, > sometimes it disappears). I believe it's overheating. May replace it > someday, but using USB wifi adapter in the meantime. > > How difficult was it? Not really any more than installing to a desktop. > Didn't run into any major problems. The installer didn't seem to be > the most intuitive for setting up LVM+LUKS volumes, but it did work, > eventually. > > > terryc wrote: >> This is a hardware question. >> Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed >> devuan onto? >> How difficult was it? >> >> Thank You In Advance. >> >> The long story; I finally have a need to purchase my own personal >> laptop and have spent the last few days searching for such a beastie >> that I can order. >> >> I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste >> my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously >> running Devuan is preferable. >> >> Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only >> laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could >> located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd >> prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). >> >> Note, also having great difficulty finding out how to order such a >> beastie from the major global brands. >> >> ___ >> Dng mailing list >> Dng@lists.dyne.org >> https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng >> > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > -- Rod Rodolico Daily Data, Inc. POB 140465 Dallas TX 75214-0465 US http://dailydata.net 214.827.2170 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
Devuan ascii successfully installed, regularly used on the following laptops: Lenovo Thinkpad T550 -- the sd card reader does not work (think this is a hardware problem though, I did get a refurbished machine) HP Pavillion - not sure the exact model # These next two ran ascii, then upgraded to beowulf: Toshiba Satellite A135 (i386) Acer Aspire AS7750G The HP has a problem with the builtin wifi adapter (sometimes it works, sometimes it disappears). I believe it's overheating. May replace it someday, but using USB wifi adapter in the meantime. How difficult was it? Not really any more than installing to a desktop. Didn't run into any major problems. The installer didn't seem to be the most intuitive for setting up LVM+LUKS volumes, but it did work, eventually. terryc wrote: > This is a hardware question. > Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed > devuan onto? > How difficult was it? > > Thank You In Advance. > > The long story; I finally have a need to purchase my own personal > laptop and have spent the last few days searching for such a beastie > that I can order. > > I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste > my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously > running Devuan is preferable. > > Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only > laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could > located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd > prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). > > Note, also having great difficulty finding out how to order such a > beastie from the major global brands. > > ___ > Dng mailing list > Dng@lists.dyne.org > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng > ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] HW: Which brand and model of lapto have your successfully installed Devuan on?
This is a hardware question. Which brand and model(s) of laptop have people successfully installed devuan onto? How difficult was it? Thank You In Advance. The long story; I finally have a need to purchase my own personal laptop and have spent the last few days searching for such a beastie that I can order. I have a strong preference to not pay the Microsoft Tax and not waste my money on bits for which there are no linux drivers. Obviously running Devuan is preferable. Unfortunately, there appears to be no local vendor of Linux only laptops around any more. The only one in the coutry that I could located actually buys Win OS laptops and co-installs Linux and I'd prefer to avoid the future hassles that will cause(leopard-spots). Note, also having great difficulty finding out how to order such a beastie from the major global brands. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
