Re: [DNG] How borged is D-bus?

2016-03-04 Thread Teodoro Santoni 
2016-03-04 12:55 GMT+01:00, Nuno Magalhães :
> Meh, i don't buy their guarantees. Rephrasing: considering they're
> focusing on sd-bus, is the borg collective maintaining D-bus? Or is it
> still "free"? What are the init-inclinations of freedesktop.org?

It seems to me, reading the main Borg Frontman, that libdbus will be
mantained until someone is wishing to mantain it, then it will be deprecated
in favour of GDBus from GIO, then if kdbus is going to make it in mainline,
dbus project will be strongly encouraged to link against whatever
the systemd lib for sd-bus will be.
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Re: [DNG] How borged is D-bus?

2016-03-04 Thread Nuno Magalhães 
On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 1:54 AM, Joel Roth  wrote:
> Being that
> so much complex code is built on dbus, Pottering and co
> guarantee that dbus will not be broken by updates in the
> protocol.

Meh, i don't buy their guarantees. Rephrasing: considering they're
focusing on sd-bus, is the borg collective maintaining D-bus? Or is it
still "free"? What are the init-inclinations of freedesktop.org?
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Re: [DNG] How borged is D-bus?

2016-03-03 Thread Joel Roth 
Daniel Reurich wrote:
> On 04/03/16 12:42, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Considering the systemd team has been focusing on sd-bus, how
> > systemd-free is dbus?
> > 
> Our package doesn't depend on systemd, libsystemd0 or libpam-systemd

It does constitute fundamental protocol used and depended on
by many parts of the systemd ecosystem, however doesn't
involve the init system, so you're free of that.  Being that
so much complex code is built on dbus, Pottering and co
guarantee that dbus will not be broken by updates in the
protocol. There is some question (at least I am ignorant)
whether how backward compatible sdbus will be with dbus.
Also will you have a choice to not use kernel-mediated
boundary crossing sdbus in future? 

So there is some borginess(tm) there.

IIRC Linus commented that the only reason for sdbus is that
dbus code is badly implemented.

So caveat emptor, and as the japanese say, TADA YORI TAKAI
MONO GA NAI (nothing is more expensive than [what appears to
be given for] free.) People should think about that when
signing up for Gmail!

cheers,

Joel (yes, I have a gmail account, another type of
borginess)

 
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Re: [DNG] How borged is D-bus?

2016-03-03 Thread Daniel Reurich 
On 04/03/16 12:42, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Considering the systemd team has been focusing on sd-bus, how
> systemd-free is dbus?
> 
Our package doesn't depend on systemd, libsystemd0 or libpam-systemd




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[DNG] How borged is D-bus?

2016-03-03 Thread Nuno Magalhães 
Greetings,

Considering the systemd team has been focusing on sd-bus, how
systemd-free is dbus?

Cheers,
Nuno
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